[quote=“mikeyohe, post:14, topic:9468”]
Thank you for your political opinion. And as cheap solar radiation is available we should change over. But that might take awhile because if the government keeps pushing political changes on the people we very well could end up in a depression instead of a recession.
First , The exponential function is not a political perspective. It is purely scientific.
Second, I agree with the rest of that paragraph, but what you are admitting is that the blind continued reliance on fossil fuels may well result in a worldwide energy shortage and existential calamity from Global Warming .
Back then we were still riding the wave of the nuclear bomb. Scientists were put on highest level of being a national treasure. Kennedy said we were going to the moon. That was beyond belief for many people of the time. The people took a chance with the science of the time. It is easy to look back now and say all the dots were not connected. But, it looks to me like we are repeating the past and are making the same mistakes over again.
Yes, the Sioux and those who support their cause got the pipeline shut down. The Sioux, especially the water protectors, do not want the pipeline, period. Everything else you spewed is just bunk. We don’t need the pipeline. We need to find other resources, such as wind and solar.
It might have been better to find the other resources you are talking about before sending the nation into a recession. That oil is still being pipelined to the Pacific and on to China. Where the refinery methods put more Co2 into the air.
Your purely scientific perspective use to have a point of no return on the levels of Co2. We passed that point decades ago. So, why are you worrying about the Co2 levels if we are all doomed? Or is your “purely” scientific really not so “pure” after all. Or is this a political issue. Where when something like the world coming to an end does not happen. It is treated like the bible thumpers and the date Jesus is coming. When it doesn’t happen. Another date or in this case, another Co2 level is picked.
You have it in your head that the N.A. want what you want, but they don’t want the pipeline.
I can give you more sources and all of them say the same thing- N.A., especially the water protectors don’t want it.
Blockquote Yearwood finds the difference in how the government treats the two groups to be “very disturbing, clearly. It lays bare some of the hard pain of racism in this country, how people are treated differently.” He adds that the militants intruded upon federal land, as opposed to the Standing Rock movement: “This actually is their land that they’re fighting for. And I’ve heard that the folks at Dakota Access have the nerve to call these people ‘squatters’? Like man, how do you get that kind of gall?”
The N.A. were the “militants”, just like Black people who protest are and the Access Pipeline were the “good guys”, which is not true at all. The land belongs to the N.A. They aren’t squatters, but then again, the U.S. government never allows minorities to keep anything that is rightfully theirs. But I guess like the U.S. government, you don’t care about treaties either.
You can read the full article for yourself, but the truth is, the N.A. wants the pipeline off their land, just like those in New Mexico fought to get fracking off their lands.
For this one, scroll down past the Abortion Rights ad. It shows even the ACLU is standing up for the protestors at Standing Rock, who are mostly N.A.
Personally, I’d be grateful for the water protectors, because they are helping to keep water clean. Water is life, but the pipeline will pollute it.
Do you want more, mikeyohe? Do you even actually read any of the links I’ve shared? I rather doubt you read the first two links I gave you.
The economists noted that the war in Ukraine has disrupted global supply chains and dramatically increased commodity prices and energy costs in the U.S. and EU.
A personal note. The California coastal zone conservation act of 1972 shut down all coastal drilling in California. Working offshore we were shut down in twenty days. Hooked up with a deep hole rig brought in from Oklahoma to drill a deep hole in a Pacific Palisades production field to check for more oil below the existing oil-bearing layers. Then went with the rig to drill geothermal test wells north of San Francisco. We were drilling wells ahead of the production wells so the roads and infrastructure could be built. The generators were coming from Japan and took two years to get here. We had the next twelve years of building going forward blueprinted. This was the largest geothermal field in the world, and we were suppling half the power used by San Francisco. The first well was drilled in 1902 and still producing power. Once drilled the wells were said to last for hundreds of years. The next year the field was shut down. The steam had been naturally rising to the surface for thousands of years. The top surface layer was cinnabar (mercury). Since the oil companies owned the steam fields, they shut it down before mercury was known for causing health problems. The shutdown of coastal oil drilling in California caused one of the three oil refineries in LA area to shut down. It was just a couple years latter we had long gas lines and gas shortages. By 1976 the nuclear vs. geothermal battle was in full force and the government wanted and sold the nuclear.
The Ivanpah solar project in California is a 2.14-billion-dollar project. Built by google with more than $400 million in taxpayer grants. Started in 2010. By 2015 google ask for $539M more in grants. It seems the clouds stopped more sunlight than the scientists accounted for. In 2014 a natural gas plant was built in Ivanpah to help meet the power requirements. The plant burned enough natural gas in 2014 to emit more than 46,000 metric tons of Co2. Point being the administrative policy of forcing changes on the public has the potential to cause more harm than good. In 2018 the underestimate cost of nuclear clean-up by the Energy Department was $494B.
Why do you keep talking about greenhouse gasses, instead of green energy?
It is not the government that controls the free market. It is Big Business that controls the market and it does so strictly based on a profit motive, the bottom line.
They will continue to pollute the atmosphere until we run out of cheap fossil fuels and will switch only when all resources are exhausted or too expensive to recover…
My father bought a gas tank after a couple times in line and plopped it on our farm, so it didn’t affect us much, but I didn’t like it.
Another sad day in history.
No they did not. Do you expect me to be impressed by this? My uncle worked on the pipeline in Montana (early 80s). He was the foreman of that pipeline and I believe me, I spoke my mind about that too. He promised me there wouldn’t be any oil spill while he was foreman. There wasn’t, but I still didn’t approve of it, despite the money he shared with my mother and me to help us out, so what makes you think I’d be impress by what you have to say? I was an activist against oil and nuclear power before I became of age.
Write4you is right. Since the antitrust laws in the U.S. have been abolished it’s the greedy corporations who run things. There are monopolies with everything now, including baby formula. Antitrust laws attempted to prevent monopolies and one of the reasons Ma Bell was broken up into Baby Bells, which led the way to other phone companies, but many are merging again, which will eventually lead to another phone monopoly, unless antitrust laws are re-established by the government. It was the greedy corporations who pushed through the idea that they are “people” and deserve “personhood”, when they are not people. Government needs to step in again and put antitrust laws in again, as well as business regulations. As is, it is a free for all to see which company gets everything. Even radio stations, newspapers, and television stations are competing for one ownership when, in the past, they were only allowed to own one of each type of media.
Don’t know what you have against geothermal energy. Totally ecology friendly.
Asphalt roads are just a form of controlled oil spills.
The U.S. has roughly 3,500 asphalt production sites and produces about 350 million metric tons per year. Of the 2.6 million miles of paved roads in the U.S., over 94 percent are surfaced with asphalt. There is approximately 18 billion tons of asphalt pavement on America’s roads.
If write4you was correct, then the Keystone pipeline would be working, and the cost of gas would be $1.50. I agree with having antitrust laws. Needs to be used on teck, and media right now. Along with the federal government. Much of the power needs to return to the states. Get ready for major union strikes this next year as inflation devalues the dollar.
A loophole signed into law during the Bush administration has been fiendishly tough to close.
Because it’s such a potentially harmful activity, some states have independently established their own regulations, though these have been criticized as being largely ineffective. Thanks to the Halliburton loophole, there is still a significant lack of federal regulation over an activity whose known effects are deleterious and which still remains largely unquantified.
In 2005, then-Vice President Dick Cheney was head of the Energy Task Force. This task force provided recommendations that informed the Energy Policy Act of 2005.
One such recommendation that was later signed into law was to provide an exemption for hydraulic fracturing fluid (or fracking fluid) from being regulated by the EPA.
Cheney previously served as CEO of Halliburton, which just so happens to be the world’s largest provider of fracking services.
The Fracturing Responsibility and Awareness of Chemicals Act (or the FRAC Act) purports to close this loophole. Although it has been introduced in congress multiple times since 2009, it has yet to be signed into law. Until it or similar legislation is passed, we’ll have to let the fracking industry eat its cake and have it too.
I’m going to assume this is just hyperbole, not related to any real calculations.
If the government is running the free market, then it’s not a free market is it? This battle over regulation has been going on for 100 years or more. It’s why they keep allowing these crazy coalitions to form, to get more votes from people who think they are voting pro-gun or pro-Jesus when really they are voting against their own interests.
Regulations exists so we can do things like fly down the road in a controlled explosion. We know things are dangerous, chemicals, gas, whatever, but we know we need them to grow cities, defend ourselves, discover new medicines and feed more people. Regulations are the compromise of those needs: allow us do these things safely, and for someone to get paid to it, so we can keep flourishing.
Without regulations, it’s a free for all, and someone could make gas in their garage, probably set the neighborhood on fire, or kill random people with lead. Too many current leaders are fine with that, believing they can keep ahead of the destruction they cause and somehow protect themselves from it. Anyone who is nearing retirement age actually is protected from the coming problems, so in a way, they won.
Government needs to step in again and put antitrust laws in again, as well as business regulations. As is, it is a free for all to see which company gets everything. Even radio stations, newspapers, and television stations are competing for one ownership when, in the past, they were only allowed to own one of each type of media.