Adam & Eve story describes the Birth process

Religion and Secularism
61

“It is DIVINE REVELATION!” -
Buddy, there is no God! Hence no divine revelation!
How are you an Atheist? You believe in God, you defend the Bible - there must be only one view!
I can’t believe i am reading this in the 21st century!
Galileo tried to give a different picture of the solar system and was shouted down
Darwin, too, faced his religious distractors
And now I am facing you - you can’t accept a simple explanation of a STORY that contradicts long-held views!
Why don’t you come clean - you are a Christian - Admit it!

There is no running back to childhood - God is not a Nanny to welcome you back and keep you in comfort for eternity!
We made this world what it is - it is up to us to fix it! And we will
At one time they thought the world would run out of food - too much population - well, we fixed that issue - we will fix the climate change issue as well
But running away from real life and hoping to hide in a fantasy is not the answer

62

How do “scholars” decide without someone first submitting it? Don’t you have it backwards?
First someone proposes an idea and then only can scholars read it and decide upon its merits
And we are not talking history we are talking a STORY! Surely you don’t think the human race started with Adam & Eve, right? So there is a moral to the story & I am saying it has to do with a child growing up and moving out of the house

“decided by democratic vote” OMG! I am not saying I am right & the other view is wrong, all I am saying is that there can be TWO different views! That’s what happens in a Free society - no two people look at things the same way - you have heard of the blind guys who touch an elephant? One guy says it is like a Tree, another a wall etc & both can be right

Frankly, I didn’t think this would be this hard! I understand the Christian guy being upset, just wish he would be upfront and be honest

63

So how come Lewis Black can tell the Creation story and mock it endlessly and that is fine?
I am not mocking God or the story - all I am saying is I think there could be a different explanation to the story - a different view

64

I think you need to look into that. They don’t read this forum for wild ideas and then comment on them. They study language, context, changes in mythologies through time. Why don’t you submit your idea to them and see what they say? I showed you 2 or 3 interpretations in my post, so you don’t need to capitalize TWO as if I’m not hearing you.

65

That’s not all you are saying. You are getting heated because people are questioning your idea. You can speculate all you want, but be honest that you are basing it on nothing but your own raw reading of something that has been interpreted through several languages.

66

The rules discuss accepting a broad of definition of humanist. That also goes for atheism, if someone says they are atheist, you can discuss what that means, but don’t make challenges like this. You have no reason to assume what others believe based solely on them not liking your interpretation of one Bible story.

The shading of this post indicates I’m speaking as a moderator.

67

Heated up? Where? I am just defending what I wrote, that’s all
Please don’t assign feelings to me based on your bias.

“You can speculate all you want, but be honest that you are basing it on nothing but your own raw reading of something that has been interpreted through several languages” OMG! again & again - I have done EXACTLY what others have done! But my view is new, that’s all
Maybe over time it will be accepted also
These are speculations on what the story is telling us, that’s all
This should not be this hard! I can’t believe in a free society, I am getting this much flak!

1 Like
68

He wrote it was a -DIVINE REVELATION!
Clearly, a Christian!

The whole boils down to him saying there was only one view, his view
Why can’t there be two views? Two different ideas? Do we not live in a democracy?
When did we become a Communist state?

69

This quote is heated. You are not getting flak. No one is restricting your freedom. We are discussing the difference between histiography and your interpretation. Try to be objective about what you’re doing.

Write4u write that “according to a believer” it’s divine revelation. You are quoting out of context.

70

No, they are not questioning my idea - he is saying that it is WRONG! That there is only one interpretation of it - the Divine interpretation & no other views are permitted!

71

I’m too busy for this. Stop arguing with me in this thread. Take it to “issues and complaints”, or I’ll suspend your account for a few days while you think about it.

72

People post ideas & then we discuss - that is what I am doing. Telling me I am heated while these two people replying to me have not? you are showing your bias there

I am just trying to respond to what they were saying, that’s all - not heated at all

" “according to a believer” it’s divine revelation" - I am sorry he cannot hide behind others - if he is posting it and justifying that only his interpretation is correct then he has to own up to what he is posting

It is not a crime to speculate on ancient stories - have a different view
Again, please tell me how that is wrong?

73

I didn’t say it was wrong to speculate. That’s my point. You are creating strawmen to argue about

74

I am simply stating my case that’s all! I am not angry, just surprised by the reception that in the 21st century in a free world one cannot have a different view!
He is making his case & so am I - that’s all that is going on

You have the power that I lack! Threatening me with suspension is abuse of that power! Who is getting heated up now?
And I was thinking I lived in a democracy where free speech is allowed!

75

If you read the rules, this is exactly a discussion that should be in the Issues forum. You can start that on Sunday, when your account is unsilenced.

76

I would have never silenced you

77

I am merely enforcing the rules as they are posted

78

[quote=“vanamali, post:61, topic:9795”]
“It is DIVINE REVELATION!” -

Not in my mind.

Buddy, there is no God! Hence no divine revelation!

But you completely overlook the fact that about 84 % of the worlds population are religiously affiliatiated. To them God exists and Scripture is Divine Revelation

How are you an Atheist? You believe in God, you defend the Bible -

Where did I say I believe in God?
Where did I defend the bible except to note that it contains some useful secular moral messages?

there must be only one view!

Fact is that there are two views, theist and atheist

I can’t believe i am reading this in the 21st century!

Your problem is that you seem to be reading superficially, without giving much thought to what it is you are reading. Clearly you are intelligent, but you seem dismissive of other “considered opinions”.
Don’t fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect. And I am citing the reverse condition.

Even smart people can be affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect because having intelligence isn’t the same thing as learning and developing a specific skill. Many individuals mistakenly believe that their experience and skills in one particular area are transferable to another.
Dunning-Kruger Effect | Psychology Today

[quote=“vanamali, post:61, topic:9795”]
Galileo tried to give a different picture of the solar system and was shouted down
Darwin, too, faced his religious distractors

Exactly. I have had my share of religious prejudice and prosecution. Have you?

And now I am facing you - you can’t accept a simple explanation of a STORY that contradicts long-held views!

That is not correct. You are facing concensus agreement on the expert interpretation of the biblical allegory of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden story .
Why do you even accept that Adam and Eve actually existed? Are you a Theist?

Why don’t you come clean - you are a Christian - Admit it!

No, if anything, you are the Theist. You believe that Adam and Eve were real people. I don’t.
I merely interpreted the allegory objectively, regardless of the truth of the story.
To me, all mythology is cut from the same cloth of a false belief in Gods and Goddesses.

There is no running back to childhood - God is not a Nanny to welcome you back and keep you in comfort for eternity.

I agree and you have not seen me argue anything of the sort.

[quote=“vanamali, post:61, topic:9795”]
But running away from real life and hoping to hide in a fantasy is not the answer

I am not running away from the fantasy of Scripture. But you seem to accept and identify with the story of Adam and Eve as real people growing up and leaving the nest as a true account .

And now you are complaining that not everyone agrees with you?

79

Discussion of the temporary silencing vanamail is now a topic in the “Issues and Complaints” section.

80

And why would anyone want to do that?
Oh yeah, to subdue and control the masses.

Not that that’s altogether a bad thing, how else are masses of people going to live together without devolving in cannibalistic rats.