I’ve been meaning to make this post for a while, and since we have been visited by a new member who insists on dealing with this logic, it was time. It is one of the best debates I’ve read on the psychics and philosophy behind the Kalam Cosmological Argument.
I post the 3rd response, but you can use the index to work in either direction. Carrier is responding to Marshall’s accusation of question begging. Paraphrasing and quoting here:
It is not question begging to say a cause must exist somewhere to exist. If there is no time or space for something to exist, then it doesn’t exist. This solves the problem of the uncaused cause, not with a being that is uncaused, but with a state that doesn’t have causes. Spacetime can exist without anything else existing. There is no need for a “necessary being” to create it.Although I could not argue for the probability of a primordial vacuum state or explain how one could cause the causal universe we live in, what I do understand about it, seems a lot more likely than a complex being like the God of the Bible existing. It’s really not that hard to understand that we can use math to trace back cause and effect a few billion years to a point where the laws for that math begin to break down. At that point, the laws that require an infinite regress of causes, ends.