Tony Perkins from family research council blames the mass shootings on the left for removing religion from society destroying familys and wiping out morals
This is the what religion does to the brain. Poisons thoughts, poisons actions justifies evil
In debate, I TRY (I’m not always successful, but I try)…All honest people do that. You're patient and know how to write, so you have the tools to do it. I try too, but without those tools, my success rate is lower than yours.
Saving face is incredibly important, so admitting defeat [ugh! even our language is against us by not having better words] is hard for most people. Being kind and honest to those you’re debating is the first step in being able to understand the other side and possibly even accept all or part of their position.
In debates about opinions (eg. euthanasia), emotions are part of the deal and many facts are likely to be ranked differently on the scale of how important they are- these debates can easily fall off the rails. In debates where science is the topic, emotions are the enemy, but can be used as the last resort for one side- these debates have to be derailed intentionally by someone.
In response to saying I loved the quotes from William Jennings Bryan, Tee posted this:
But it sounds like you’d like Bryan!All I know about him is from the two quotes you posted, but based on them I probably would like him.
I’m a sucker for good quotes, and both of those are great.
write4u said,All scientific disciplines are mathematical translations of natural values and functions.
Sherlock Holmes said,
This is interesting, can you prove that?
All Universal constants function in a regular (mathematically definable) consistent manner. They are cosmic truths, based on the principle of logic and without which the Universe could not exist in its current form. Mathematical relative values, functions, and patterns are “discovered” properties of the spacetime Universe. They existed since the beginning. We can prove this in the formation of self similar mathematical patterns, moments after the BB.
We have identified most of them. They are contained in the great mathematical equations of universal physical values and functions we have been able to observe, understand, and translate into a symbolic human mathematical language.
E = Mc ^2 is the human symbolic mathematical shorthand “description” of a universal mathematical relationship between two properties (matter and energy) of physical reality.
because there is masses of statistical evidence supporting thisYou are mistaking quantity with quality. You are also ignoring the masses of data that contradict the masses that support your conclusion. Also most likely aren't interpreting the data you know about correctly, but then we'd have to see what the F you are referring to, wouldn't we? Last time you did (with Luskin), it was an epic fail.
But Holmes the confidence level in evolution is so high that it can be called a fact just like gravity. The evidence is so overwhelming.
There you go again.
I venture to say that I know rather a lot more than youWhat that epic writing advice: DON'T TELL US! SHOW US!
Why must you constantly opine on us rather than focusing on the intellectual challenges laid down???
Oh yea and telling us how incredibly smart and informed you are doesn’t help your case any.
Wish your words could reflect some of this learning you supposedly have.
You haven’t even managed to define this ID in any way that anyone can do anything with. Is that because we have shown ourselves not to be worthy in your estimation? Or because you actually don’t have a clue about it, but only believe because that’s what your people tell you?
I think we’re done here Holmes. You’re entire theme can be summed up in your discomfort and lack of understanding of a few words, like “scientific fact”, the physicist’s definition of “nothing”, “certainty”, and a few others. I’ve tried to point this out many times and discuss it with you, but you just keep repeating yourself.
The existence of the aether was regarded as beyond serious question, the experiment to reveal it was regarded as technically challenging but completely foreseeable – the aether would be found to exist, no notable physicist at the time doubted this.So, it was "beyond serious question", yet they questioned it. Isn't that actually proof that the very people that you say are dogmatic are willing to question themselves? These experiments weren't performed at the Vatican. They didn't come from some other set of methods that someone devised to test the truth of a proposition. It was science doing what science does.
In which case leave, I expect no further posts form you in this thread.That would be nice if you had that sort of power wouldn't it? This is a marketplace of ideas. You don't get to dictate who is here. You have to defend your ideas with evidence and reason.
OMG @holmes
I did not accuse him of being a racistAre you being serious right now? You wrote, to @citizenschallengev3 (emphasis mine):
This is like claiming that black people are less intelligent than white, you probably believe that too
That is an accusation.
Here is another, Holmes:
<b><i>You are a liar.</i></b>
You’ll find this here – do I take it we all agree on this at least?Agreed. The article you linked also says this
I merely want to make a few points that should allow you to see that there’s plenty of reason to believe that genes probably aren’t responsible for IQ differences between racial groups.¹And goes on to give strong evidence for why intelligence is likely NOT related to skin color or country of birth. Agreed?
@holmes
Now please provide the evidence that I accused anyone of being a racist? That itself is an accusation madam.The
You probably believe that toopart of your comment is an accusation.
Five words beginning with “YOU.”
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
The fact is that apparent similarities is not proof of a causal relationship, they could simply be similarities, it could just be that – not in every case but in many areas of natural selection this is the case.It could be. But there's lots more to know about DNA and where it came from. Go read a book.
@holmes
For a journalist I’m surprised at your sloppiness here.Go fuck yourself.
Dear Holmes,
I’m sure if you pray hard enough, your magical fairy sky daddy (Cheezuss) will forgive you for your sloppiness comment to Tee ?
I’m sorry you have to deal with Sherlock, Tee.
Hopefully his dream of getting kicked out of the forums will finally come true.
He’s pushed and pushed and driven everyone crazy with his monumental and intentional ignorance (feel free to use every meaning of that word you can think of).
I don’t care if he can brag about being banned to his friends, just get him out of here.
Sherlock Holmes said,All Universal constants function in a regular (mathematically definable) consistent manner.
Constants don’t do anything, they’re numbers that never change – period.
And what are constants a property of?
They are cosmic truths, based on the principle of logic and without which the Universe could not exist in its current form.
What are you smoking?You just don't understand the implication
Mathematical relative values, functions, and patterns are “discovered” properties of the spacetime Universe. They existed since the beginning. We can prove this in the formation of self similar mathematical patterns, moments after the BB.
OK I’ll stop taking you seriously now, I understand.No, you don't understand. Ask any Cosmologist or Astro-physicist and they will tell you that our current mathematics and equations come from the measurements of spacetime and the stuff in it and that the mathematical nature of the Universe existed long before mankind roamed the earth AND RECORDED THEIR OBSERVATIONS with human symbolic mathematics.
I believe the cosmologists, they get to experience the “discovery” and the mathematics which accompany the objects as they interact. You never have apparently.
Apparently you also have never heard of Max Tegmark. A serious lapse in your education and understanding of the nature and properties of the Universe.
Is the Universe Made of Math? In this excerpt from his new book, Our Mathematical Universe, M.I.T. professor Max Tegmark explores the possibility that math does not just describe the universe, but makes the universe
Re. post #306847: Tee Bryan Peneguy please refrain from this kind of commentary on the forum as it is against the rules. Thanks.
@dougsmith, I figured it was.
But I had also hoped a certain level of mocking and personal attacks, even if they don’t include the f-word, would be prohibited here. Clearly they’re not.
If you were to scan this discussion, you would see what’s happening, and several comments people have made regarding my conduct here.
Had you reprimanded me for what I did, but the other person as well, that would be one thing. Instead, it seems (again) that there are scapegoats here.