Look around guys. The dickish have taken over the country. There must be something to it.My point exactly.
Btw. I am a dick, oft times with the Bernie supporters who allowed Trump to become Pres by not voting for Hillary. They screwed us all. But Bernie is and has always been, even still is, heart attack and all, just doing what he has always been doing, his whole life, fighting the top 1% of the top1%.
I actually did already respond to your comments on statistics, before you asked, so not sure what you’re concluding hereSorry, your comment referred to #310042? When the conversation returned to the 40%, I didn't realize your reference to polling was actually in reference to that.
Anyhow, I think the data’s interesting and relevant. The reality isn’t quite as bad as we had been led to believe.
I was also surprised that 62% of American Evangelical Protestants are fine with Evolution, as long as they can say God used Evolution to DO his thing. Frankly, I would have expected a smaller percentage.
I can’t do math. But I found this:
As of 2017, white evangelicals overall account for about 17% of Americans(I thought it was 25%, but let's hope 17% is right.)
So, about 38% of that 17% are Bible literalists. (The percentage from the other religions isn’t really significant.)
So how would you suggest reaching that subset?
So how would you suggest reaching that subset?Those are more realistic numbers, and they don't change what I said above. The important thing is to know what subset the person you are talking to fits in. If someone says they go to church and your first reaction is to label them a Bible literalist, you've already lost them. Sometimes even if you don't say the words out loud. This is not "being nice", this is basic sales, knowing your audience.
If you are asking for a marketing strategy to reach that subset, that I don’t really know. There is a lot already being done that I could support.
That’s still about 30 million people (if you include their kids in the estimate). And they are, of course, spread out geographically to some extent.
I would go with the internet. I would suggest Cambridge Analyticizing them. And thereby, not only, gradually and subtley influencing their opinions, but also enlisting some of them (without their knowing they were being enlisted or by whom) to do what they do best: evangelize. (But now their efforts would work toward sewing confusion and internal conflict as to some of their dogmatic ideas.)
What!? You say I am plagiarizing stuff the alt right and Russians already do to regular Americans all the time?
Well I don’t think they have a copyright.
You can’t copyright an idea. We’re good.
You can’t get all left-wing thinking people to stop and focus on something like this because it goes against left-wing thinking to put aside individualistic thinking and do that sort of group action.This says it all.
If that is true, then good for the lemmings of the world. Oh, wait, they are lemmings, one individual can get them all to go over the cliff.
Based on what I see on social media every day, the biggest mistake I see atheist make (besides assuming all Christians are evolutionists) is treating Christians like they’re idiots.
As frustrating as many Fundies are, their belief isn’t so much about lack of intelligence or common sense; it’s about compartmentalization and cognitive bias. When you add the fact that some of them honestly do believe atheism and evolution are intrinsically bad, it’s hard to know what might encourage them to consider this.
Hypothetically:
Which of these do you think would be easier to reach (or, should be the target of “re-education” efforts)?
A. People like Cody and Destiny of Owsley County, Kentucky (shown here with their infant son Ezra and Destiny’s dad as they prepare for Junior Prom); or…
B. People like Michael J. Behe, a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University, Pa., who got his PhD in biochemistry at University of Penn.; did postdoctoral work at the National Institutes of Health; and taught chemistry at Queens College. As a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, he is known for his advocacy of irreducible complexity.
(Obviously I don’t mean these SPECIFIC people.)
The dickish have taken over, yes, but they didn’t do it by being dickish. You can be dickish about it after you get people to agree with you. You just can’t be dickish about it to get people to agree with you.
The dickish have taken over,Taken over what? Taken over the fuedal system of Europe and dismantled it? Taken over the English Empire and deposed all their monarchs that were installed by one family? That was democratic rule driven by enlightened minds.
There have been a few moments in history when the power of the people has seemed to have “taken over”, but mostly it’s a constant struggle just to assert the right to live peaceably.
I think he’s talking about modern politics in America. That’s the impression I got, anyway. It’s the conclusion that made sense given that staunch Republican voters make up about 25% of the population, yet they have majorities in office all over the place. I guess I did kind of jump to a conclusion, but when I read “The dickish have taken over” I kind of thought of the Republican party right away. Of course there’s also the “woke” and “social justice warriors” on the left who don’t understand that the cultural view was very different decades ago.
The dickish have taken over, yes, but they didn’t do it by being dickish. You can be dickish about it after you get people to agree with you. You just can’t be dickish about it to get people to agree with you.
Not even tangentially: President Donald J Trump feigned Peter Strzok having an orgasm with Lisa Page while plotting sabatoge against the Trump campaign, imitating Meg Ryan’s iconic scene in “When Harry Met Sally,” in front of 20,000 spectators and media cameras last night at his Minneapolis rally.
And it’s barely made the news, because it was the last dickish thing he did.
Trump’s campaign productions are a dickish-palooza of dickishness. And they seem to be getting worse.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
The best what? Serial killers?
Lausten, Tee, I’ll have to pick up this conversation later. I wrote up a few things yesterday, then walked Maddy and the whole thing was just so depressing.
Try to discuss the simplest fundamentals and its amazing the diversions - sure well meaning but lordie, lordie, the social conditioning -
It’s not about %s. It’s about a lot of things, but not %s and labels and surveys.
It’s about the ego-centric self-certain belief that one has a personal relationship with god.
It’s about the fantasy that the consciousness you now possess will remain after your body is dead.
{Spend a little time actually meditating on an eternal after-life in the heaven of your dreams. For ever and ever, seems like a terrify nightmare to me.
I’m just fine with the long deep sleep - it’s why I chose an attentive, introspective, action filled life.}
It’s about all the obliviousness to this planet, and her life story and the stuff that she does to sustain this fantastical planet we take so fucking for granted.
It’s about the normalization of the lie, winning justifies all - when sober public discourse based on a principle of honesty over self-interest, is all that was needed.
Sorry recent news makes it all especially raw again… this thing is going to get ugly… I keep hoping my pessimism is proven wrong.
America is a fickled people, that 40% could see the light and turn on him, but, i don’t know…
and seems so normalize, same as it ever was.
And so much of it started with the acceptance that anything under the banner of Faith and My God had to be accepted.
Well I just love it when an intended single sentence turns into a half out stream of consciousness. guess no interruptions for a change helps too 
I’m getting old and slow now, it’s okay, I lived it when I had my chance.
Lausten what the Faith-Shackled are thinking I have no clue, not matter how much I’ve struggled to make sense of it.
What I do have a clue about is that their Willful Ignorance has guaranteed a destructive hideous future for my kids and grandkids and all of future humanity.
Fuck trying to make me feel guilty about being pissed off about their wonton greedy self-interest and hatred for others and for setting all of humanity on this destructive path we are on.
Trust me I’m not much happier with the limp noodle liberals and other one time grooves who became traitors to this planet Earth.
All we need was to slow down, less babies, a little more thought about this amazing planet that was providing our life support system.
Learning about how to working with natural systems, after all four and half billion years worth of evolution turned out to have amazing to teach us.
Nurturing biospheres rather than the more profitable rape, pillage and plunder we built our world economy on.
but NO.
" … that’s all we needed." That’s behind us now, its more like we’re heading for the hospice at this point. 
Back to this thread and Intelligent Design.
The point I was trying to get across,
First acknowledging the little chattering voices in our heads who are constantly talking at us about our surroundings and what to think about it.
{That place that’s home to religion and emotions and our flights of fancy.}
Then, pointing out that when really getting into the details of biology and evolution, it really gets mind-boggling and it’s real easy for the unschooled person to see a designer or some sort of intelligence behind it all.
{guess that further I’m saying that’s not the worst thing so long as we appreciate it’s a myth, an element to help us accept what we can’t understand, appreciating that it doesn’t represent actual physical reality. It’s about perceptions, abilities, level of understanding.}
I build on that to point out that within sober science, we do have mathematics, and that what randomness there is, is constrained. Meaning nothing is pure change, the way that Creationists keep misrepresenting the science as saying. Why not draw a storyteller’s connection between that unknowable Intelligent Design and mathematics and natural laws and the constraints they place on all we know.
My conclusion is that this failure of vision is yet another gross public communication error - that is not directly addressing this aura that Intelligent Design exudes.
One final point that must be kept clear when discussing Intelligent Design — we are discussing psychology and philosophy -
That clarification provides a perfect introduction for explaining how evidence-based science works within a global community of informed, competitive, skeptical individuals.
and so on …
excuse the typos and screws ups,
Fuck trying to make me feel guilty about being pissed off about their wonton greedy self-interest and hatred for others and for setting all of humanity on this destructive path we are on.It would be helpful if you stopped characterizing what I say. Think about how stupid of a strategy it would be to try to discuss communication styles (in a thread about communicating) by making someone “feel guilty”. I had no idea you had such a low opinion of me.
All we need was to slow down, less babies, a little more thought about this amazing planet that was providing our life support system.If there was a common sense “all we need” solution, I think we would be working on it. We ran around throwing rocks at each other for a couple million years. Having babies has also been a pretty successful survival strategy in most cases. I think evolution still has some work to do.
I build on that to point out that within sober science, we do have mathematics, and that what randomness there is, is constrained. Meaning nothing is pure change, the way that Creationists keep misrepresenting the science as saying. Why not draw a storyteller’s connection between that unknowable Intelligent Design and mathematics and natural laws and the constraints they place on all we know.And I’ve agreed with you on this. Out of seven pages of discussion, I mentioned two words that I thought you could change, and it turned in to a mountain of upset.