WTF is
MikeYohe:
pushers of deniers
instead we repeat the same disingenuous contrived debate game going on since the 80s/90s and the oligarch constructed rightwing christian political machine, dedicated to profits over all else.
Nothing ever gets learned, because at the heart of the matter people don't want to learn about it
Is it really that people don’t want to learn? Or take the time to learn? That just doesn’t sound correct.
Yes, all indications point at people not being interested in learning about climate science.
Considering the transparent, childish lies they continue to embrace no matter how many times the details get explained to them.
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy
MikeYohe:
First question. The article was posted in the news media and made it to the top of the news outlets… It seems that they are admitting that there are still many problems with the carbon and temperate charts.
They are saying that CO2 and global average temperature (GAT) go hand and hand.
NO! You are relying on the big Lie of Omission.
This is talking about measuring, recording, processing overwhelmingly complex information.
You also hide how small these differences in numbers being argued over are, worst you avoid the bottomline truth that:
EVERY MOLECULE OF CO2 ADDS TO OUR ATMOSPHERE’S INSULATION ABILITY.
NOTHING MAKES THE SLIGHTEST SENSE UNTIL YOU ACCEPT THAT GEOPHYSICAL REALITY FIRST AND FOREMOST.
Proof positive that the physical understanding is exact and unavoidable (even if deniable) can be found in the list of modern marvels that would be impossible without an exquisitely accurate understanding of Earth’s atmospheric profile and greenhouse gas behavior within all its layers.
http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/nonexpert-problem-why-we-can-be-sure.html
Archive, Hanscom AFB Atmospheric Studies,
Cambridge Research Labhttp://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/archive-usaf-atmospheric-studies-afcrl.html
MikeYohe:
“Climate evolution shows some regularities, which can be traced throughout long periods of earth's history. One of them is that the global average temperature and the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere usually go hand-in-hand. To put it simple: If the temperatures decline, the CO2 values also decrease and vice versa."
No! It shows that people don’t appreciate all the different elements that influence climate and the details of how it plays out during any particular epoch.
Understanding the past is fun and slightly informative, but it’s not the key understanding by a long shot. Also, past climate makes absolutely not sense if you don’t understand the greenhouse component - which you are deliberately trying to muddle up with that scientifically ridiculous paragraph up there.
MikeYohe:
Second question. Are they saying that the CO2 is following the temperature of the heat? Because if the heat goes down the CO2 has in the past also gone down too. If people read articles like this and they don’t blindly agree with what you want them to think. I don’t think that is people not wanting to learn or understand. I think it is too much garbage to pick through to have a clear perspective.
IT’S THE INSULATION STUPID !
SCIENTISTS ARE SAYING THAT GREENHOUSE GASES HOLD IN X AMOUNT OF HEAT.
What happens with that heat and how it gets circulated around our planet and its climate gets exceedingly difficult to track, quantify and process.
You and your treasonous slimy gold and blood soaked crowd have managed to convince petty self-centered humans that difficulties in drawing the
map means you could ignore the
territory
Come on, how stupid can you get? Of course people don’t want to know about it, it’s shit news. It means the party was over and living was going to demand a little serious forethought and moderation. Moderation in the amount of babies we pumped out and moderation in our expectations of the world.
Instead, Reaganomics, “Too Much is Never Enough" - “He Who Dies With The Most Toys Wins" mentality and faith-based thinking won the race of how to meet the inevitable human/societal challenge of reckoning with a shrinking EARTH and The Limits of Growth.
And now Trump the American glorification of Me First infantilism is occupying the White House like the Joker he is and the GOP is tearing down our government as fast as possible while the children of the enlightenment stand by watching.
Oh but I digress.
MikeYohe:
The next question is outside of the article. And that is, if at the top of every 100,000-year climate cycle we have record heat and the extinction of species. We are now thirty years past the top of the 100,000-year cycle. What should we be expecting as far as record heat and extinctions without the Climate Change? One would think that it would be much worse than it is right now without mankind’s contribution.
How many times are you going to repeat that totally irrelevant question? You’ve been provided the answer a dozen times by various posters here. Earth would be ever so slowly phasing into a glaciation. That transition takes place over centuries, millennia and longer.
What we have done to our atmosphere has an impact NOW, every impact isn’t recognized, but we know the increased warming is relentlessly spreading throughout the system. Current weather events already prove plenty well that a warming Earth is going to become an increasingly hostile place to live.
MikeYohe: Added
//www. sciencedaily. com/releases/2017/07/170706113244.htm
also {the two articles are the same press release}
phys. org/news/2017-07-falling-sea-volcanos. html
"Our approach has shown that the decreasing pressure at the seafloor could have induced increased lava- and carbon dioxide emissions.
The enhanced volcanic carbon dioxide flux may have stabilized the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations during the climate system's
descent into the last ice age," adds Prof. Dr. Lars Rüpke of GEOMAR.
The investigations suggest that close interactions between the solid earth and the climate system exist also on geologically relatively short time scales of about 5,000 to 15,000 years. …
So what the hell is that supposed to do with understanding the necessary fundamentals of climate science? It’s an obscure brick in the edifice of today’s complex understanding. Interesting for sure but an absolutely disingenuous distraction if a serious discussion about the “Carbon Theory" is what you’re here for.
But, I know that’s not what your here for. This is an interesting game, nothing more, you are on the winning side, enjoying the fruits of your efforts, mark my words you will find them bitter fruits indeed.
