What do humanists think of romanticism?

Humanism
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It’s sort of like the blind men and the elephant? :v: :slightly_smiling_face:

Okay, there’s plenty of truth in that.
I read Kerouac’s On The Road while on the road, could relate to him, but he also had a damaging youth and was profoundly troubled and in conflict with himself, so I felt as much contrarianism toward him as I did attraction. Eventually I realized what was going on, I was never fueled by escapism whereas he, and so many others were.

I was enthralled by the Carlos Castaneda whom I discovered fresh out of high school. Couldn’t wait for the next one to come out. They were lots of fun for me during my Yosemite/Wawona experience. Then came the forth book, the culmination of the story, it was wonderful. - but the books continued, which totally blew up and revealed a deep phoniness, then ultimately the entire exercise was exposed as a fraud. I felt betrayed, it speeded my divorce from woo thinking, to something way more down to Earth, as in the natural physical world out there.

Alan Watts sounded so profound at first, but by and by his spell faded and it started sounding like just so much mucho-blah-blah.

I know I can’t answer your question and I look at this from a different direction than your’s but I think you might find this interesting, perhaps surprising.

Remember the Grateful Dead, the embodiment of West Coast hippies, what do you think they did with all their money?

https://rexfoundation.org/about

OUR HISTORY:

From their earliest days, the Grateful Dead received countless requests for help from community organizations, and became known for their generosity and their numerous benefit concerts. In the fall of 1983, members of the band, with family and friends, established the Rex Foundation — named after Rex Jackson, a Grateful Dead roadie and later road manager until his untimely death in 1976 — as a non-profit charitable organization, allowing the band to proactively support creative endeavors in the arts, sciences, and education. The band played the first of many Rex Foundation benefit concerts in the spring of 1984.

Following Grateful Dead lead guitarist Jerry Garcia’s death in 1995 and the subsequent dissolution of the band, the Rex Foundation has continued to make grants funded by the very elements that hold our community together: music, connection, fun, creativity and community spirit. Since 1984 the Rex Foundation has granted $9 million to over 1,300 recipients.

https://www.probonopublicofoundation.org

For the Public Good

The Pro Bono Publico Foundation takes its name from the motto of the Rex Organization. Rex’s founding in New Orleans in 1872 gave the city not only a monarch and a glittering parade to lead its Mardi Gras celebration, but also a tradition of service in response to the needs of the city. The motto Rex’s founders chose, “Pro Bono Publico,” embodies that commitment to service “for the public good.”

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It means Love yourself?

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It would help if you listened to the song

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If you’re down and confused
And you don’t remember who you’re talkin’ to
Concentration slip away
Because your baby is so far away

Well, there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love, honey
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

Don’t be angry, don’t be sad
Don’t sit cryin’ over good times you’ve had
There’s a girl right next to you
And she’s just waitin’ for something to do

And there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love, honey
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

Turn your heartache right into joy
'Cause she’s a girl and you’re a boy
Get it together, make it nice
You ain’t gonna need any more advice

And there’s a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can’t be with the one you love, honey
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with
Love the one you’re with

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Could it be the fabled Double Entendres strike again. :yum: :thinking: :shushing_face:

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It’s misogyny. Pure and simple.

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:flushed:

Guess, if you look hard enough it’s also homophobic, and encouraging home wrecking, and encouraging hedonism, if trashing the song is your ting.

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The discussion is about the self centered values that came out of the sixties. You were critiquing that period earlier, now you’re attacking me. Nice try.

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Oh I’m so sorry. I was stuck on the last comments and a silly little song. Wasn’t thinking about the rest of this thread.

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For me, this song is very simple and does not need over interpretation.

The man was in love with a girl, she has left him. The song tells him that love is awaiting him beside him. I feel the girl beside him, loves him and is waiting for him to answer.

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Try this little reverie;

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What makes me feel the most angry against the hippie movement is that they spread and strenghtened more than any other movements the myth of the Rousseau’s Noble Savage, of the good nature of human beings.

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The song is? I don’t see it. I’ve always liked the song. I’m lost now. What are you referring to? Maybe I’m stuck on enjoying the music and thus why I don’t get it.

Exactly!

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I’ve always seen it as a rock 'n roll guy on the road, away from his “baby”, i.e. girlfriend, he’s sad and lonely, so the song says to take any nearby woman.

Could be wrong

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The song can reasonably be interpreted either way.

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I can’t speak to Rousseau, but there is this :

Recently I read “The Dawn of Everything” Graeber & Wengrow - you should give it a try. Although don’t allow the ending to obscure the real facts they brings to light. Their grand personal interpretation leaves plenty to argue about - but that’s secondary to the factual evidence he brings to the table.

By Noah Berlatsky - Nov. 9, 2021

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” the philosopher George Santayana said in the early 20th century. Anthropologist David Graeber and archaeologist David Wengrow make a more novel but persuasive claim in their book, “The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity,” out Tuesday. By forgetting much of human history, they argue, we have doomed ourselves to repeat not the past but the present. When we erase what’s come before, we also lose our ability to imagine what’s to come. We need to remember different possibilities if we want to create a better future. …

https://storiesofthesusquehanna.blogs.bucknell.edu/nature-and-enlightenment-europeans-native-americans-and-the-susquehanna/

Back to David Graeber and David Wengrow,
The Indigenous Critique: What Started the Enlightenment? | Shortform Books.

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We, I, had a tendency to seek the profound messages within the songs, then I started listening to stories that focus on the making of various hits, and it was surprising, though it shouldn’t have been, how many songs came together. How many of those profound lyrics, turn on finding the right sounding words to fit the rhythm, rather than finding words to fit the notion, because there often wasn’t much notion behind it, they trying to make hit making music.

Great story this one:

And of course the double entendre has been a long staple of song writing.
Seems to songs are a lot like Rorschach tests, our mind fills in the gaps using its own perspective.

Here’s a fun song about a farmer and his managery:

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@lausten
Very true. Yet people try to assign their personal interpretations to the world as fact. Puff the Magic Dragon was just about a boy growing up.

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“Hey, won’t you play, another somebody done somebody wrong song”

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Write4u, why did you do that? Such an awesome song, and I guess I don’t mind playing another one. :wink:

Not much double entendre here, B.J. gets straight to the heart of it. :melting_face:

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