Wow Fuzzy, You are prone to hyperbole ! Harper is not a sociopath…Kim jong un- yes, Mugabe -yes, Hussein (sadam not barack)- yes…you see where I am headed…call him a right-wing nut-bar or a far reaching preaching control freak but not a sociopath…no not a sociopath.
Wow Fuzzy, You are prone to hyperbole ! Harper is not a sociopath....Kim jong un- yes, Mugabe -yes, Hussein (sadam not barack)- yes....you see where I am headed....call him a right-wing nut-bar or a far reaching preaching control freak but not a sociopath.....no not a sociopath.Why are right-wing nut-bars allowed to destroy very important public domain and scientific data and not be considered sociopaths?
Dismantling of Fishery Library 'Like a Book Burning,' Say Scientists http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/12/09/Dismantling-Fishery-Library/ Harper government shuts down 'world class' collection on freshwater science and protection. By Andrew Nikiforuk, 9 Dec 2013, TheTyee.ca ~ ~ ~ What's Driving Chaotic Dismantling of Canada's Science Libraries? http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/12/23/Canadian-Science-Libraries/ Scientists reject Harper gov't claims vital material is being saved digitally. By Andrew Nikiforuk | 23 Dec 2013 | TheTyee.ca~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People who don't give a dang about the future and are only interested in enriching themselves no matter how underhanded and dishonest they need to get, regardless of the immediate and long term consequences - that deserves to be labeled as sociopathic IMHO
How should one categorize something like this?
… and it doesn't take long to find it just gets worse all the time. That folks can justify some of this stuff is beyond amazing.COASTAL TARSANDS Part #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLoL-TaleA&list=PLgxorNv5xid1kXOLOJMvavPBW7-oTZOz6 Published on Dec 17, 2013 A first-hand look at Wright Sound, the epicenter for navigational routes proposed by the oil industry and governments that currently support these plans. This tiny body of water is where 5 major channels of British Columbia's Inside Passage flow together and where most marine traffic in the region converges today.
This is going to be a crisis in Africa before the U.S. Matter of fact, Bangladesh has been suffering from a severe water shortage for the past 25 years. But MacGyver raises an excellent point about communities in the Desert Southwest. The core of the problem goes back to overpopulation. We have exceeded our planet's carrying capacity and no amount of food/water planning can help us unless we do something to reduce our population.What do you suggest? Lois
While education, contraception and mass sterilization all sound possible, it’s doubtful that enough of the world’s countries and religions would allow it so we’re stuck with the old standbys, war, famine, and disease.
Occam
I’m afraid Occam is right. Maybe the new Pope will start telling Africans to use contraceptives, unlike his predecessor who lied and told them condoms spread AIDS. We need to do something to bring down our population dramatically. We also need to stop wasting energy. One-third of my neighbors leave their outside lights on 24/7. We need to stop consuming meat in the quantities we westerners are accustomed to consuming. There are myriad little ways we can greatly reduce our GHG emissions, but none of them will matter if there are eight billion of us consuming resources. I believe the odds are pretty long that our species will choose the right path instead of continuing our profligate ways.
Humanity is well beyond the natural carrying capacity of the planet. However, we’ve barely scratched the surface of the artificial carrying capacity of the planet.
Hence I’m not worried in the slightest and the future is looking very bright indeed. 
DarronS- Whoa, I agree with everything that you wrote in that last paragraph…I must be coming down with something…
Humanity is well beyond the natural carrying capacity of the planet. However, we've barely scratched the surface of the artificial carrying capacity of the planet. Hence I'm not worried in the slightest and the future is looking very bright indeed. :)I forgot to mention that light pollution is a major problem. ;-)
This quote from Thomas Malthus is appropriate:
“The power of population is so superior to the power of the Earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race.”
The Earth can sustain between 9 and 10 billion humans and then disaster, i.e. famine will cull out the population. Wars have been fought over far less. That means that the four horsemen will be riding into our future if we don’t plan to limit the population and clean up the environment.
Cap’t Jack
BTW, you can watch it happen in real time here:
Cap’t Jack
I agree with Walper on this one…we don’t know what our technology is capable of sustaining. You make it sound so precise -between 9 and 10 billion people. C’mon, there is no formula for the’ people capacity’ on earth. Ha! But all that extra CO2 is really gonna come in handy for all the extra food we will need…and all the extra heat should open up some more ‘property’ for more humans to build houses and garages for the extra cars…I can’t help myself…but really who knows what the ultimate carrying capacity of this planet is ? You are guessing and your models are not reality. We will only know by trying…
BTW, you can watch it happen in real time here: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Cap't JackI can tell you that site is full of complete s**t right off the bat. In 2012 our global growth rate was right around 1%, which out of a population of seven billion people is seventy million new people per year. Your linked source says less than nine million births per year. If your site was actually accurate, it would indicate our population increase isn't just slowing down, it's collapsing at an almost alarming rate. You might want to reserve that link for the argument population growth is being addressed quite nicely, assuming anyone actually buys the figures, which I don't.
I agree with Walper on this one...we don't know what our technology is capable of sustaining. You make it sound so precise -between 9 and 10 billion people. C'mon, there is no formula for the' people capacity' on earth. Ha! But all that extra CO2 is really gonna come in handy for all the extra food we will need....and all the extra heat should open up some more 'property' for more humans to build houses and garages for the extra cars.....I can't help myself...but really who knows what the ultimate carrying capacity of this planet is ? You are guessing and your models are not reality. We will only know by trying....That is some of the most ridiculous crap I have ever read. Also from the perspective of "we don't know" is the possibility that we are already passed the SUSTAINABLE carrying capacity but have not yet hit the IMMEDIATE carrying capacity. If arable land is declining faster than new land is opening up due to warming and that new land is going to release methane into the atmosphere we are just creating problems faster than we are solving them and believing it is OK because the problems have not killed us yet. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oceanic-dead-zones-spread/ And that was FIVE YEARS ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZpo9uLIc0 We are bombarded with more information about football games than ocean dead zones. So it is like as long as football is OK then all is right with the world. The world is going down the tube because of optimistic morons that don't know sh!t. psik
Man, what a Pollyanna answer Sine! And I thought that I was the optimist on this forum. Well, we’ll just have those entrepreneurs get right on this problem and somehow, someway they’ll just solve it. You know the big money men, those 83 who have more assets than 3.1 billion of us who greatly benefit from their generous contributions to further our interests. Forget that industrial development is growing by leaps and bounds, gobbling up fossil fuels at an alarming rate, heedless of AGW and our water is being polluted by companies who then promptly go bankrupt only to be bought by a new company with the same CEO who then continues the same process. All this while the population continues to grow to exactly match and then exceed the amount of food the Earth is capable to produce. Of course there’s always Mars… .
Cap’t Jack
You might want to reserve that link for the argument population growth is being addressed quite nicely, assuming anyone actually buys the figures, which I don’t.Articles to back your claim? I don't see any. Cap't Jack
I guess you could call this an argument from authority (2,000 scientists) but What the hey, they seem to think that mankind is slated for extinction and that we’re All responsible.
Cap’t Jack
I guess you could call this an argument from authority (2,000 scientists) but What the hey, they seem to think that mankind is slated for extinction and that we’re All responsible.
Cap’t Jack
But all that extra CO2 is really gonna come in handy for all the extra food we will need....and all the extra heat should open up some more 'property' for more humans to build houses and garages for the extra cars.....I can't help myself...You should try educating yourself instead of spouting lies you heard from the denial echo machine. We've been over this before. Global Warming will not increase crop yields, in fact the opposite is happening. As for extra property, you're just pulling that out of your ass. Sea level rise will force hundreds of millions of people to move inland. This is the type of thinking that prevents us from tackling the problems we face.
We aren’t really running out of water, there is just an ever ncreasing demand for it. The amount of water in a closed system remains the same. There is the same amount of water on the earth and its atmosphere as there ever has been since the earth was formed in its present state.
Lois