You didn’t say who or what you agreed with. You just said it explained everything. That’s your game, lack of clarity
I’m not going back over this. You are trolling.
So now you’re saying you don’t like Buddhist thing that you just said you did an hour ago. Any wonder why I’m not discussing it with you?
TRy the other way around, they can’t accept I’ve done their tools in the past and they didn’t work.
I would think it was evident I meant not the guy talking about the soul based on what Write was going on about.
You can go back over and look, it’s all there. I quoted the areas that showed you weren’t right about what he is saying.
You’re assuming too much. I never said I liked it, I’m citing what it says in regards to objects and it was an argument I never found a rebuttal to. I didn’t endorse Buddhism, you made that part up.
It was, in the sense that you didn’t say you were FOR a soul, but most of your comments are about what you are against. So if you are against naturalism/evolution arguments, what’s left? What explains your own ability to reason?
Of course you didn’t. You don’t like anything. You say you never found rebuttals, even when something you say one day rebutts something you said the day before. I didn’t say you endorse all of Buddhism, that’s your absolutist thinking. The specific thing from Buddhism that you referenced, you said, “it’s like”, using that point to support your argument, then a few hours later, you said, “it’s wonky”.
Being nuanced and drawing from different disciplines would be good, but you are flipping from one point of view to another.
Don’t play that game,
I’m still trying to figure out what you’re thinking.
I have the impression you couldn’t care less about understanding what I’m thinking.
Okay, so you don’t give evolution any credit at all - it’s all just a dream we dreamed on afternoon long ago.
But you aren’t explaining any thing with your self contradicting story line - you can’t even bring yourself to define what chemicals are - or what is the difference between chemicals and biology. But to you it’s all nothing, so there is not difference?
And now apparently the here and now is also an illusion.
Just like a boat producing that bow-wave is an illusion and that none of that exists, or something like that.
Well try repeating it one more time, the way it’s done in civil good faith conversations.
Start with your theory of “frames of reference” because it is important and fundamental to understanding any of this.
Evolution is all about producing living landscapes and creatures,
that certainly do need to do some serious thinking/processing/awareness if they are to survive!
I’m not against naturalism.
I think it is wonky because their notion of illusion means that it’s caused by the mind, not that it’s not real. Yet I know they know that most people take illusion to mean “not real”. Same with real, they say it has to be permanent and unchanging. That’s where their take from objects comes.
It’s not really evolution. Unless you have any sort of attachment to being hit in the face the ball will just hit you in the face.
Ever heard of "homeostasis?
In biology, homeostasis (British also homoeostasis; /hɒmioʊˈsteɪsɪs, -miə-/) is the state of steady internal physical and chemical conditions maintained by living systems.[1]
This is the condition of optimal functioning for the organism and includes many variables, such as body temperature and fluid balance, being kept within certain pre-set limits (homeostatic range).
Other variables include the pH of extracellular fluid, the concentrations of sodium, potassium, and calcium ions, as well as the blood sugar level, and these need to be regulated despite changes in the environment, diet, or level of activity.
Each of these variables is controlled by one or more regulators or homeostatic mechanisms, which together maintain life.
Homeostasis is brought about by a natural resistance to change when already in optimal conditions,[2] and equilibrium is maintained by many regulatory mechanisms; it is thought to be the central motivation for all organic action.
Homeostasis - Wikipedia
Homeostasis is controlled by the subconscious part of the brain that is independent of your conscious decision making.
This phenomenon is already present in the most simple non-brained biological organisms ,
“Attachment to being hit in the face”? Are attached to your face?
Can you think of a physical thing that’s unchanging?
And everything else is meta-physics.
Okay, now can you explain how we got here, in this place and time?
Well for most all of us body does have a lot of attachment to staying healthy and taking care of itself. The body does force your mind to take its needs into consideration - You know, how long can you ignore the urge to pee? Something you never think about twice and forget about the moment it’s done, so it’s the last thing on your mind. Oh boy, it sure can become the only thing your conscious mind can deal with, all other concerns getting pushed off the table, so to speak.
Okay, so the dare devil, uses adrenalin and whatnot to swamp the body’s natural drive to protect itself. But it’s a case of exception proving the rule, that your body has certain expectations beyond what your mind is aware of, and that your body will have its way. (the tension between the two can be exciting and addictive)
How would you summarize the whole Mind v Body thing?
Good luck!.. 
Not what I’m talking about.
Attachment being you care about the outcome.
Nope.
Hey I can do it.
It’s not that magical, we simply need to rinse off some of our God given Ego (self-absorption) to get there.
My life is a parody.
Clearly Inthedarkness cannot.
In some way it is. I seldom ask the reason for the “nom de plume”, but yours is so full of underlying potential motives that explaining your choice of “inthedarkness” might shed some light on your inability (resistance) to accept some very basic truths about life and consciousness.
I realize this may be private and you are not obligated to explain why you have choosen that specific avatar.
You seem quite capable of in-depth analysis, so I wonder why you seem unable to overcome your resistance to mundane psychological truths .
Please accept that our efforts are offered in the best spirit of goodwill.
Not really since much of what you’ve said so far isn’t really a basic truth nor is it relevant to what’s happening, so I’ve largely ignored it.
Also you’re not even close as to the reason for the name either, but I expected that.
I didn’t think you could get more combative, but, here we are
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Not really since much of what you’ve said so far isn’t really a basic truth nor is it relevant to what’s happening, so I’ve largely ignored it.
And therein lies the problem. I am trying to shed some light to the darkness
Also you’re not even close as to the reason for the name either, but I expected that.
OK, can you shed some light on that?
What is happening?
Can you put words to it?
It’s just facts. Their guess wasn’t close. The name is from a fighting game called Under Night In Birth and it’s the name of the Infinite Worth for Hilda. Well it’s what she says during it with the Japanese voices.
The point I’m getting at, originally, is why bother with living when we don’t have to. Mere survival isn’t enough.
But making meaning feels like lying to ourselves because it’s sorta pretending something matters to us, is funny, sad, etc, when everything is inherently neutral. It just feels like we are living in a fantasy world inside our heads instead of reality.
That sorta comes back to what that Gary guy said in my post about emotions that “Things don’t make you feel” it’s thoughts and beliefs because the feelings come from us. What I don’t really agree with is that we can just examine and edit those things to just decide what we want. Like…if things don’t make us feel then why do we want to do them, the same goes with people we like and actions we do.
The more I think about what he said the less sense it makes because ultimately it’s rooted in things you don’t have a say in. Not to mention how you can just examine your mind like a surgeon and just edit the beliefs and narrative you want outside of any influences. And trying to ask anyone on there is useless because they all change their story on what he said or contradict themselves, that’s assuming their explanations make sense.
Meanwhile I’m here shutting emotions down because “things don’t make us feel” so every time I think or feel that I have to say WRONG. And them saying the feelings come from me makes it sound like I have to change everything to always be happy or I’m choosing suffering. And I’m tired of waking up every day feeling NOTHING and waiting for it to get better but not making any progress. I AM EXHAUSTED and DONE with it! But I CAN’T do anything about it. No matter how hard I think I only go in circles and I can’t ignore it or let it go because it deals with emotions so it’s triggered every day.
I just want things to go back to before I read that, and I still can’t see why other people aren’t bothered by it no matter how hard I wrack my brain on it. What do they see that I don’t? How can everyone but me be that way? Am I just stupid?
I’m…just…so…tired of feeling like this.
Yet you go on living?
What things?
Because we are biological being driving my impulse and mechanisms that go back hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands of generations.
You are a living creature, like dogs and all the rest. Work out from there.
Your mind comes from your complex mind interacting with the complex environment and circumstance.
There are biological drives that force us to act.
That scares me. Only you can save your self, only you can seek out help, or friends, or distractions, or some serious physical work outs.
Bothered by what specifically?
We are bound up in our human conundrums and the human condition of knowing you are going to die, and that time pass and life turns to dust eventually. Those are emotional matters at we need to come to terms with.
And in the end, each of us lives out our own karma - you know as in energy we send out, bounces back at you, what you are present to dictates what you are aware of and the direction that you move, and the people you get in contact with and the influences you expose yourself to, and so on.
We are the result of our body interacting with the world - it really that simple and fantastical.
But that’s my story, just trying to remind you there is more out here.
Wishing you something to be grateful for.
He’s answered that. He tells you he can’t sort it out, then you ask him to sort it out. Why would you do that?
He’s looking for an end of the infinite regress and you give him circular logic.
I think what you mean is, “I hear you. I understand what you’re feeling”.
He said he wracks his brain. The answer he just gave you is specific as he has ever given us.
Energy doesn’t bounce. There are no laws of physics that dictate what you are aware of. There aren’t simple laws of how to act that result directly in making you feel better. That’s the problem he’s describing.
I can relate to life being both simple and fantastic but inthedarkness doesn’t seem to like that, doesn’t consider that an answer. I’ll let him speak to it, but just giving my two cents.
