I think you are letting your pre-conceived anti-religious mentality get in the way of an objective examination of these social movements."
Why do you think my views on religion are pre-conceived? Why do you think my findings arfe not objective?
IMO, you do not understand that religion has been used by many groups of people to support their identity, justify their actions and oppose the actions of other groups. Yes religiion has often been used by elities to oppress, but it has also been used by the oppressed to oppose the elities, ie. The US civil rights movement in the 50s -70s, the reformation and counter reformation in Europe. It is currently being used by many different groups in the Middle East for a multitude of purposes. Before the advent of the nation-state relgion was one of the main tools all of Western Civilization to influence their socities. Religion is a political tool that can be used in many ways, until you recognize this you cannot write objectively about religion.
Religion is a form of politics, period, the worst kind that supports and encourages totalitarianism.
Religion is a form of politics, period, the worst kind that supports and encourages totalitarianism.It's bad but there are worse. Hitler's racism and Stalin's fanaticism, resulting in Lysenko starving millions of Russians to death, were a lot worse. Just sayin'...
I find that most of the tales of the Soviets killing their own are just christian hate sponsored lies. They lost 20,000,000 to Hitler.
I find that most of the tales of the Soviets killing their own are just christian hate sponsored lies. They lost 20,000,000 to Hitler.Couldn't it have been both? To assume one precludes the other invalidates historical truth. LL.
Do not confuse ‘historicsal truth’ with vengeful christian lies, they hate the Russians who kicked them out of their country in 1917 in order to cement the freedom of the slaves.
Jr. Member Total Posts: 24 Joined 2013-03-18 I find that most of the tales of the Soviets killing their own are just christian hate sponsored lies. They lost 20,000,000 to Hitler.Ok, time to do some hard core research. The records that are available show that Stalinization killed approximately 6-9 million, many of whom died during the collectivizaton period in the early 30's. Additional Russians were imprisoned in the guags and left to die during the war for lack of food and one source sites killings by the NKVD at over a quarter million. But we may never know the exact total as some of these deaths went unrecorded. The army purges, Polish officers who were massacred (some 15,000 well documented by Nazi propagandists in the Katyn forest) and thousands killed during the occupation of the Baltic countries are also added to the casualty figures not to mention the slaughter of the Kulaks. the figure may be higher but Beria was not so forth coming on the secret killings done on behalf of his leader. This does not include the battle deaths and the assassination of countless Jews and gypsies by the Nazi SD. All of the above have been well documented by the Russian Government and via captured Nazi documents and videos not to mention thousands of copies of personal testimonies by victims who survived. Xtianity doesn't enter into it as the Stalin regime was led controlled and operated by officials with no interest in a xtian agenda. Cap't Jack
I find that most of the tales of the Soviets killing their own are just christian hate sponsored lies. They lost 20,000,000 to Hitler.Sure. Millions of Russians were killed in the war. But also millions by Stalin himself. The concept of revisionism ]comes to my mind. Why did nobody mention Mao and the cultural revolution? Also Christian propaganda?
Sure. Millions of Russians were killed in the war. But also millions by Stalin himself. The concept of revisionism comes to my mind. Why did nobody mention Mao and the cultural revolution? Also Christian propaganda?While we're on the subject of revisionism, it's being done here on a grand scale. Fundie writers are insisting that the US was founded on xtian principles and our founding fathers were devout evangelicals. So retelling history isn't just for totalitarians; we have our own homegrown revisionists here who twist and add facts to suit their own agenda. I've mentioned Chris Rada's book "Liars for Jesus" several times on this forum. She exposes all of the major revisionists and their cut and paste tricks. Also, he probably didn't mention Mao because the cultural rev. Had nothing significant to do with Arthur's concept of xtian World domination. Good point though as Mao was responsible for the deaths of over 20 million through starvation and assassination while he dined like an Ameican and enjoyed western movies. Sounds like that little fat kid in North Korea. Cap't Jack
Do not confuse 'historicsal truth' with vengeful christian lies, they hate the Russians who kicked them out of their country in 1917 in order to cement the freedom of the slaves.How about vengeful Russian lies? Are they somehow better?
The collectivation period was actually a civil war where many did die, but that is common in all civil wars. We killed a million in ours. Most of the numbers I have seen published tend to be unbelievable and are published by those who hate them for kicking the christian slavemakers out. Christendom is the most fanatical and murderous organization on the face of the Earth and it's eternal resistence to human freedom within the USSR undoubtably led to many deaths, right up to today. Everybody unloaded on everybody else in WW2. Every government of free people has had to make hard decisions between life and freedom, and in most cases freedom wins, meaning lives have to be taken to maintain freedom. We do that here profusely. Stalin and the communist party was anti-slavery, which means they were anti-xtian. Xanity caused the creation of the communist party as a protective wall between the freed slaves and freedom quashing religions of all sorts, but especialliy xianity. Christianity and working people are like krypton and superman, if the priest can get near the worker, he can induct him into slavery via PTSD, the christian death ray against freedom. Thus the protective impenetratible wall of communism.Jr. Member Total Posts: 24 Joined 2013-03-18 I find that most of the tales of the Soviets killing their own are just christian hate sponsored lies. They lost 20,000,000 to Hitler.Ok, time to do some hard core research. The records that are available show that Stalinization killed approximately 6-9 million, many of whom died during the collectivizaton period in the early 30's. Additional Russians were imprisoned in the guags and left to die during the war for lack of food and one source sites killings by the NKVD at over a quarter million. But we may never know the exact total as some of these deaths went unrecorded. The army purges, Polish officers who were massacred (some 15,000 well documented by Nazi propagandists in the Katyn forest) and thousands killed during the occupation of the Baltic countries are also added to the casualty figures not to mention the slaughter of the Kulaks. the figure may be higher but Beria was not so forth coming on the secret killings done on behalf of his leader. This does not include the battle deaths and the assassination of countless Jews and gypsies by the Nazi SD. All of the above have been well documented by the Russian Government and via captured Nazi documents and videos not to mention thousands of copies of personal testimonies by victims who survived. Xtianity doesn't enter into it as the Stalin regime was led controlled and operated by officials with no interest in a xtian agenda. Cap't Jack
Arthur, I looked In on your site and skimmed through a few or your entries and it appears that you are taking a subjective approach to history as motivated by xtianity. Your first entry however, is confusing in that your claim of a god creating the universe can't be substantiated, or are you parodying xtian thought? Also, as to writing a book on the subject, you had better be prepared to expand it to a series. Remember, it took Will and Ariel Durant 11 volumes to write a history of civilization and there's lots of room for digression. But it is an interesting subject to trace through history from early Roman xtianity to today. Good luck! Cap't JackChristianity is the most powerful force on this Earth at the moment and it cannot be ignored in any analysis of history, post 313AD. The destruction of civilization Europe by christianity's 'dark ages' and the simultaneous disappearance of budding civilizations in the Americas looks like an interesting subject to pursue. I see a vast destruction of historical records and all existing technology ocurring with the creation of christisanity by the Romans. I know that they controlled the slaves with imposed poverty, ignorance, and terror which is probably the reason that all technology and the history of it was was completely suppressed and destroyed. Perhaps there is a fact that the Romans were making inroads into the Americas that far back that has been suppressed and destroyed. You are going to need to become familar with Rodney Stark's writings defending the positives of Xtianity in the Roman period. "The Rise of Christianity" "Cities of God" The Victory of Reason" These will give you an idea of what the serious critics of your position will use against you. i would be interested in your responses as while I don't entirely agree with Starks I do think that all religions including Xtianity has there positives as well as negatives. I have found every apparent 'positive' of christianty to be a weapon against human freedom of some kind, for example, if you examine it deeply enough you will realize that christinity's "sin" is an exact synonym for 'freedom' and christianity's primary task is to remove all of your sins. Everything it does is designed to force you into an exactly controlled lockstep where you become a biological robot.
Sounds like a Dentonian “blind spot” to me.
" One of the surprising discoveries of modern psychology is how easy it is to be ignorant of our own ignorance. You are normally oblivious of your own blind spot." Daniel C. Dennett -Breaking the Sell-Religion as a Natural Phenomenon. Pg.31