In Ezekiel 28:12-18 you will find God describing him: “Thus says the Lord GOD, You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you.
(Allah) said: “What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.
Qur’an 7:11–12
Fascinating stuff; but stripped of its embellishments it tells us that -
Satan or the devil is a creature created from fire of a star, much the same as humans/ animals created from dirt ( earth ).
" precious stone was your covering " indicates the ability to permeate into objects as dense as stone . Flesh and bone therefore, would be no obstacle. “the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you.” indicates the ability to choose and/or avoid the objects that he permeates.
Jesus said in Luke 10:18 (“I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven”). This is supreme …. the fall of Satan to earth. was as fast as light; indicates a being transported here by light and along with light. Therefore, Satan could be a light frequency, wavelength or particle and transported here as part of, or along with, the invisible electromagnetic spectrum. An easier way to describe this is; like a fish would travel along or with the water if poured out of a fishbowl ??.
Adding credence to the statement of Jesus, with particular emphasis on the word ’ lightning’ is :
When EM (electro magnetic) waves are absorbed by an object, the energy of the waves is converted to heat (or converted to electricity in case of a photoelectric material).
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As stated above , the ‘object’ would be the Earth /atmosphere, ‘converted to electricity’ is lightning, and ‘in case of a photoelectric material’ and the mechanics of the transportation, is :
EMR carries energy—sometimes called radiant energy—through space continuously away from the source (this is not true of the near-field part of the EM field). EMR also carries both momentum and angular momentum. These properties may all be imparted to matter with which it interacts. EMR is produced from other types of energy when created, and it is converted to other types of energy when it is destroyed. Thephoton is the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction, and is the basic “unit” or constituent of all forms of EMR.
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More of my research to follow.
Once again, thank you for your time.
p.s. I would appreciate comments other than " take your meds”. LOL
Regards
Gordon
How do you feel you can call this research?
Is my interpretation of “Death of a salesman” research?
Oh, yeah, “Ezekiel,” the favourite Bible book of Erich von Däniken. I remember this “research” from my younger days. Fun stuff! Now go and take your meds. 
See the problem with all you Christian “researchers” is that you’re the only ones who take your book to be a source of truth. You might as well be interpreting a comic book. The bible could say something like “In the year 1929 a great economic depression will strike a country named United States”. It would mean absolutely nothing other than some scribe got lucky with a number and a name. Now I’m sure it makes you feel good inside to be “studying” and “researching” the Bible, and that’s yours to do. But don’t think you’re contributing anything other than personal opinions and prejudices.
In Ezekiel 28:12-18 you will find God describing him: “Thus says the Lord GOD, You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay. Qur'an 7:11–12 Fascinating stuff; but stripped of its embellishments it tells us that - Satan or the devil is a creature created from fire of a star, much the same as humans/ animals created from dirt ( earth ). " precious stone was your covering " indicates the ability to permeate into objects as dense as stone . Flesh and bone therefore, would be no obstacle. "the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you." indicates the ability to choose and/or avoid the objects that he permeates. Jesus said in Luke 10:18 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven"). This is supreme …. the fall of Satan to earth. was as fast as light; indicates a being transported here by light and along with light. Therefore, Satan could be a light frequency, wavelength or particle and transported here as part of, or along with, the invisible electromagnetic spectrum. An easier way to describe this is; like a fish would travel along or with the water if poured out of a fishbowl. Adding credence to the statement of Jesus, with particular emphasis on the word ' lightning' is : When EM (electro magnetic) waves are absorbed by an object, the energy of the waves is converted to heat (or converted to electricity in case of a photoelectric material). Pasted from As stated above , the 'object' would be the Earth /atmosphere, 'converted to electricity' is lightning, and 'in case of a photoelectric material' and the mechanics of the transportation, is : EMR carries energy—sometimes called radiant energy—through space continuously away from the source (this is not true of the near-field part of the EM field). EMR also carries both momentum and angular momentum. These properties may all be imparted to matter with which it interacts. EMR is produced from other types of energy when created, and it is converted to other types of energy when it is destroyed. Thephoton is the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction, and is the basic "unit" or constituent of all forms of EMR. Pasted from More of my research to follow. Once again, thank you for your time. p.s. I would appreciate comments other than " take your meds". LOL Regards GordonOk, how about "See a psychiatrist" or, even better, "Take a good course in critical thinking and the scientific method."
Gordon-Fascinating stuff; but stripped of its embellishments it tells us that -:lol: :lol: :lol: Who's with me here...is this not the best? That's the best line above. :lol: :lol: :lol: I was really LOL'ing. Stripped of its embellishments....."sockets", "lazu lalinni"(or lapis lazuni....) WTF? :lol:
Actually the idea of Satan (or the god of evil opposing the god of good) came from Zoasterism and he had to be added to the Bible after the Persians ended the Babylonian exile,
Gordon, the problem here, as it is with all things speculative is that you’re dragging up bronze age philosophy and attempting to overlay modern scientific interpretations onto these ancient texts. It’s the same as attempting to prove that god made the sun (actually the Earth’s rotation) to stand still in the sky so that his servant Joshua could perform genocide because god was pissed at the Canaanites, or that Ezikiel’s wheel is actually a spaceship. It’s all open to interpretation; either describing the symbols as a listing of Isreal’s enemies or an ancient alien spacecraft, and Ezekiel left out the part about it being silver, shining, and housing people with grey skin and bug eyes. We may never really know what these ancient scribes were attempting to describe or convey due to the haze of mistranslations over the centuries.
Cap’t Jack
Where did you get your signature quote? *** "Atheism - The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything which magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense. "
Sorry guy. We don’t do “magic”.
I believe it came from Dead Monky’s post #13 in a close by thread.
Occam
Yup, that’s probably where it came from. In fact, I know that’s where it came from. He sent me a PM saying he was going to “borrow” it from me. As if I care. I stole it from some website I found with Google Image Search.
Figures that he wouldn’t pick the one making fun of Christianity though.
And while we’re on the topic of things pilfered from teh interwebs:
Truer words were never marqueed! :lol:
Cap’t Jack
There are some interesting comments on the sign here.
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=60994&Page=3
The church is in Arkansas.
I’m curious, Gordon, why did you include the plea “PLEASE READ” as part of your topic title? Every topic invites us to read it. What do you suppose is so especially important about what you’ve written here?
I was curious about that, too, PLaClair. I didn’t find it any more challenging or interesting that many of the other initial posts here.
Occam
I'm curious, Gordon, why did you include the plea "PLEASE READ" as part of your topic title? Every topic invites us to read it. What do you suppose is so especially important about what you've written here?your opinion is important - more appropriate, but does take longer to type.
See the problem with all you Christian "researchers" is that you're the only ones who take your book to be a source of truth. You might as well be interpreting a comic book. The bible could say something like "In the year 1929 a great economic depression will strike a country named United States". It would mean absolutely nothing other than some scribe got lucky with a number and a name. Now I'm sure it makes you feel good inside to be "studying" and "researching" the Bible, and that's yours to do. But don't think you're contributing anything other than personal opinions and prejudices.do you have scientific proof that the testimony of Jesus Christ has been altered ??
See the problem with all you Christian "researchers" is that you're the only ones who take your book to be a source of truth. You might as well be interpreting a comic book. The bible could say something like "In the year 1929 a great economic depression will strike a country named United States". It would mean absolutely nothing other than some scribe got lucky with a number and a name. Now I'm sure it makes you feel good inside to be "studying" and "researching" the Bible, and that's yours to do. But don't think you're contributing anything other than personal opinions and prejudices.do you have scientific proof that the testimony of Jesus Christ has been altered ?? Do you have scientific proof that Jesus ever existed or if such a person did exist that he was anything more than a human man? Do you hve scientific proof that the words attributed to him were actually said by him and weren't made up out of whole cloth? Lois
do you have scientific proof that the testimony of Jesus Christ has been altered ??
Do you have scientific proof that Jesus ever existed or if such a person did exist that he was anything more than a human man? Do you hve scientific proof that the words attributed to him were actually said by him and weren’t made up out of whole cloth?
Lois
bye bye
do you have scientific proof that the testimony of Jesus Christ has been altered ??Do you have scientific proof that Jesus ever existed or if such a person did exist that he was anything more than a human man? Do you hve scientific proof that the words attributed to him were actually said by him and weren't made up out of whole cloth? Lois bye bye Here's your coat, what's your hurry? Lois