what are you going on about? why are you so upset with new information? is it an adjustment disorder?Information does not upset me. That is a typical tactic of people who don't use facts and evidence. They attack the person, say they aren't open minded. This is a personal insult and special pleading all wrapped up in one. I am on about you claiming things without showing why you believe them. I gave you the opportunity to reword what you said, I gave two ways to act like a reasonable person. You have responded to none of that. You just keep claiming you are right. You just claimed credentials. You are an anonymous "Boris" on the internet, you don't get to just say you are an expert.
My statement is not false Buddhism is a Greek religion - the first statues of Buddha were done by Greeks all thanks to the colonies in the East by Alexander. Buddhism was dying when the Greeks got involved and set up statues like they did in Greece. All the Buddhas show the Buddha in Greek robes and with Greek hair. Buddhism philosophy is Greek.Now we've just abandoned the claim that Christians are Zoroastrians, and we are now putting forth the claim that Buddhism is Greek. So let me rephrase you: 1/- you said Christianity is Zoroastrian 2/-I said it is also Buddhist Based on some Luke verses and others 3/-you said Buddhism is Greek 4/-Since you asserted that Christianity is Zoroastrian, is it safe to conclude according to you that Zoroastrianism is in fact Greek? So in other words, Christianity is Greek in origin and NOT Zoroastrian?
Jesus never existed.Yeah, you ALREADY said that. And we read it. Do you have anything else to say or is this it? FURTHERMORE, His existence does not in any way shape or form depend on what the humble little you claim to think about him. Keep that in mind. You seem to be desperate to make others adopt your own set of disguised Muslim beliefs. I suspect Muslim because Muslims are the only ones who are desperate to discredit their creator. Much like the devil. You on the other hand, do heavily depend on him. For the day your own breath, His breath that is, get sucked out of you, there will be nothing you could do to stop it. LIGHTS OUT! WHILE, Jesus will continue to live On long time after you go as he has for more than 2000 years.... "Before Abraham was born I AM." Jesus said in John 8:58 ... Not one first century writer or historian mentions a single word about Jesus or that stupid story - not one Philo and Justus of Tiberius were there the whole time in that place and saw nothing and wrote nothing - because it never happened - none of it. Did you ever hear about FAKE NEWS?!?!? Just the other day, I tried to Google some cartoons that expose Is-fraud-lam for what it is to post on another site, And guess what happened?!?!? My good friend Google told me there are NONE, at least not on the first page. Google who Knows everything on this planet. SO now me knowing better, was I supposed to take that as final answer? That would mean there is no such thing as "controversial" cartoons that make fun at Is-fraud-lam on the internet. NONE whatsoever, they do not exist!!! Knowing that Google alters its algorithm to suppress select types of data and information, I randomly moved on to saaay msn.com. And Booooom LOL. Scoored!!!! Some reaaaall good sh*t tooo. Information has been suppressed for 1000's and 1000's of years. It didn't just begin with my good friend Google.
... How about atheists, though it is true that atheists are not “desperate" to “discredit their creator." Atheists are “desperate" only for truth and logic. “Jesus" may well have existed and people have been led to believe he was divine. That doesn’t make it true. Neither you nor any other human on earth has provided objective evidence that any human is or was divine. LoisI like Atheists, their premise is different than that of the Muslims as far as Disbelief. I have no problem with Atheists. If you want evidence, you will find it in the New Testament. And since you are seeking the Truth, which is good enough for God as he makes it clear in Romans 2. Beside, Truth is one of Jesus Names according to John 14:6. In other words based on your own statement : You and Jesus the Christ are One and the same, just as Jesus said he and the father are one and the same in John 10:30.
... How about atheists, though it is true that atheists are not “desperate" to “discredit their creator." Atheists are “desperate" only for truth and logic. “Jesus" may well have existed and people have been led to believe he was divine. That doesn’t make it true. Neither you nor any other human on earth has provided objective evidence that any human is or was divine. LoisI like Atheists, their premise is different than that of the Muslims as far as Disbelief. I have no problem with Atheists. If you want evidence, you will find it in the New Testament. And since you are seeking the Truth, which is good enough for God as he makes it clear in Romans 2. Beside, Truth is one of Jesus Names according to John 14:6. In other words based on your own statement : You and Jesus the Christ are One and the same, just as Jesus said he and the father are one and the same in John 10:30. You cannot find any evidence in any book. You might find there a record about something. The citation you provided is not a proof, its referring only to an opinion of a man. If you would assume "he was inspired by the god", there is no way you can possibly prove that - you even did not know that man, it would be and remain an assumption.
like I could give a rats what you thinkI, for one give a rats what Lausten thinks and I bet there are many here who do also. But I doubt if anyone gives a rats what you have to think anymore. You had your chance and failed miserably. You are just a self aggrandizing individual with nothing meritorius to say. Kind of reminds me of our current political state of the Nation. I think you should get a Twitter account.
... How about atheists, though it is true that atheists are not “desperate" to “discredit their creator." Atheists are “desperate" only for truth and logic. “Jesus" may well have existed and people have been led to believe he was divine. That doesn’t make it true. Neither you nor any other human on earth has provided objective evidence that any human is or was divine. LoisI like Atheists, their premise is different than that of the Muslims as far as Disbelief. I have no problem with Atheists. If you want evidence, you will find it in the New Testament. And since you are seeking the Truth, which is good enough for God as he makes it clear in Romans 2. Beside, Truth is one of Jesus Names according to John 14:6. In other words based on your own statement : You and Jesus the Christ are One and the same, just as Jesus said he and the father are one and the same in John 10:30. Using your logic here, if I said I am truth, that would make me God. Truth is that which comports with reality.
Paradise is an Avestan word The Second Isaiah 40-48 is a word for word parallel of that Yasna 44 of the gathas written by Zoroaster some 400 years before Savior born of a Virgin - Zoroastrian Sayoshyant Angels - Demons - Heaven - Hell - Final war between good and evil - eschatology - baptism - all Zoroastrian I know there is no god and its all delusion but you can't tell the happy clappers they are in fact ZoroastriansPlease, do stick around, I'll learning from you. Thank you so much. & BTW, I don't believe in paradise or hell. But in Reincarnation. However, there is an Invisible world. And there has got to be some type of hierarchy that transcends our realm. As there are hierarchies all around us from top to buttom. So in one way or the other, we are accountable for what we do, good, bad and anything in between. How do you leap from there being an “invisible world" to “we are accountable for what we do, good, bad and anything in between"? Somehow I’ve missed the transition—and the evidence. Lois
... How about atheists, though it is true that atheists are not “desperate" to “discredit their creator." Atheists are “desperate" only for truth and logic. “Jesus" may well have existed and people have been led to believe he was divine. That doesn’t make it true. Neither you nor any other human on earth has provided objective evidence that any human is or was divine. LoisI like Atheists, their premise is different than that of the Muslims as far as Disbelief. I have no problem with Atheists. If you want evidence, you will find it in the New Testament. And since you are seeking the Truth, which is good enough for God as he makes it clear in Romans 2. Beside, Truth is one of Jesus Names according to John 14:6. In other words based on your own statement : You and Jesus the Christ are One and the same, just as Jesus said he and the father are one and the same in John 10:30. Well, THAT clears up the problem of evidence!
You cannot find any evidence in any book. You might find there a record about something. The citation you provided is not a proof, its referring only to an opinion of a man. If you would assume "he was inspired by the god", there is no way you can possibly prove that - you even did not know that man, it would be and remain an assumption.Why do I have to provide you with evidence for my beliefs? That would be ONLY necessary if I want you to convert to my faith, and that is not my objective here. As far as Jesus not having ever existed. They suppress vital information today about different subjects for different reasons, and they've done it 1000's of years ago. Back then it was even easier to destroy it as there was no electronic way to safeguard it as there is today. Furthermore, it takes only about one generation to erase a belief or a fact from the face of the earth and the annals. And I let you count how many generations we have gone through for last 2000 years...
How do you leap from there being an “invisible world" to “we are accountable for what we do, good, bad and anything in between"? Somehow I’ve missed the transition—and the evidence. LoisWhy? you think that those who believe in the invisible are in general irresponsible people? You're wrong. You might want to grab a copy of the New Testament and read it, you'd be surprised as what you will find out. Furthermore, I didn't make any leap. This is how it's been with me since the very beginning. Evidence? why should I give it to you, I happen to like you just the way you are...
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I like Atheists, their premise is different than that of the Muslims as far as Disbelief. I have no problem with Atheists. If you want evidence, you will find it in the New Testament. And since you are seeking the Truth, which is good enough for God as he makes it clear in Romans 2. Beside, Truth is one of Jesus Names according to John 14:6. In other words based on your own statement : You and Jesus the Christ are One and the same, just as Jesus said he and the father are one and the same in John 10:30.Well, THAT clears up the problem of evidence! Do you believe you are too important to consider reading the New Testament and try to learn something from it? You are NOT. Or are you simply clueless as to what's in there and are fearful of what you will come across? A little illustration of what's in the NT: For example: Jesus is quoted as having said, about how often forgiveness must be practiced by the then people of The Way, in Matthew 18:22, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." Why do you suppose that is? do you ever forgive in your life? forgiveness is restorative force. It mends relationships and therefore prevents them from ever breaking. And in doing so, it extends their lifespan to the infinite. This is just a tiny tiny tiny instance. And as far as TRUTH, I will assert that ONLY what lasts is TRUE. Jesus lasted only 2000 little years. I don't know about you, but I think the John 14:6 is A TRUE VERSE. So are you starting to have an idea as to what the word TRUTH really means?...
You cannot find any evidence in any book. You might find there a record about something. The citation you provided is not a proof, its referring only to an opinion of a man. If you would assume "he was inspired by the god", there is no way you can possibly prove that - you even did not know that man, it would be and remain an assumption.Why do I have to provide you with evidence for my beliefs? That would be ONLY necessary if I want you to convert to my faith... Actually its necessary for any meaningful discussion about a belief. I would like to present you to two scenarios. a) I have a belief that sun will rise tomorrow. Its based on knowledge that Earth is a rotating sphere, while sun is out there, we just cant see it now. Those facts can be verified. b) People who believe in God (Old, New Testament and Quran) claim that its sort of higher being, which cannot be fully understand by humans as it moves in mysterious ways. I get the concept. However believers usually claim that they are getting to the truth by understanding something which is beyond our capabilities. Instead of providing explanation or evidence or proofs, they are leading listeners into unending circle of circular argument with the holy texts. Also how the prophets (humans) came to the knowledge which cannot be possible understood is also not explained as well. So everytime i read anything which originated from a holy text, best thing i could do was to learn the moral of the story, get idea about what somebody said or did. Could be even inspiration or truth in certain sense. But aside from this, all arguments around that seem to me meaningless - encapsulated into itself. Real power of religion in my opinion does not lie in fact, or proof that god exists, but in a way how are nice images, kinds words given as a gift to the believers.
Actually its necessary for any meaningful discussion about a belief. I would like to present you to two scenarios. a) I have a belief that sun will rise tomorrow. Its based on knowledge that Earth is a rotating sphere, while sun is out there, we just cant see it now. Those facts can be verified. b) People who believe in God (Old, New Testament and Quran) claim that its sort of higher being, which cannot be fully understand by humans as it moves in mysterious ways. I get the concept. However believers usually claim that they are getting to the truth by understanding something which is beyond our capabilities. Instead of providing explanation or evidence or proofs, they are leading listeners into unending circle of circular argument with the holy texts. Also how the prophets (humans) came to the knowledge which cannot be possible understood is also not explained as well. So everytime i read anything which originated from a holy text, best thing i could do was to learn the moral of the story, get idea about what somebody said or did. Could be even inspiration or truth in certain sense. But aside from this, all arguments around that seem to me meaningless - encapsulated into itself. Real power of religion in my opinion does not lie in fact, or proof that god exists, but in a way how are nice images, kinds words given as a gift to the believers.did you know that the coran is copied off the bible, to probably .... about at least 60 to 70%?!?! And as such it's a bastardized copy of the bible. And if you took time to read either of the corkan and the bible you'd see the Sea of difference that exists between the 2. So for you to just bag everybody in your 10 cents grocery store plastic sac, and think it's ok just show your lack of awareness in regard to certain facts. You have problem with believers? Guess what?!?!?! I do too. That is why you find me here and not on a Christian or Mus-fraud-lim website. Evidence is relative. What might be evidence for either one of us might not be to the other. So it's futile to even go there. I Know what I know. On the other hand, I appreciate Atheists because they open my eyes to certain facts and entice me to think outside the box, ...sometimes. I don't say this to kiss up to anyone. As far as verifiable knowledge, that does not really elevate you general existence above mine by much, does it? You still have to live your life, in general dealing with relatively the same struggles I deal with. We differ in opinions and beliefs, that's about it.
You cannot find any evidence in any book. You might find there a record about something. The citation you provided is not a proof, its referring only to an opinion of a man. If you would assume "he was inspired by the god", there is no way you can possibly prove that - you even did not know that man, it would be and remain an assumption.Why do I have to provide you with evidence for my beliefs? That would be ONLY necessary if I want you to convert to my faith, and that is not my objective here. As far as Jesus not having ever existed. They suppress vital information today about different subjects for different reasons, and they've done it 1000's of years ago. Back then it was even easier to destroy it as there was no electronic way to safeguard it as there is today. Furthermore, it takes only about one generation to erase a belief or a fact from the face of the earth and the annals. And I let you count how many generations we have gone through for last 2000 years... Obviously you are not interested in facts. You just heard somewhere that something was destroyed in antiquity, but you never spent a moment looking into what. First, at the time, only 1% could read, so it didn't really matter what you had, no one knew what it was anyway. I'm sure they thought it would continue like, and they only needed to worry about the future 1% knowing what the original authors actually wrote. But, science eventually got a foothold, and now we can do thing like determine that a different pen added something hundreds of years later, or something was erased, or we can compare Origen's notes to a Greek manuscript and determine a verse was interpolated. It's fascinating and amazing what we can do. But you just want confirmation of the the myth that was created 2,000 years ago. Do you know about Nag Hammadi? How could you not? There was a sect that was literally hiding in the hills writing alternative narratives. They hid their stories in clay jars before they were killed by the people who wanted the story you now believe in to survive.
did you know that the coran is copied off the bible, to probably .... about at least 60 to 70%?!?! And as such it's a bastardized copy of the bible. And if you took time to read either of the corkan and the bible you'd see the Sea of difference that exists between the 2. So for you to just bag everybody in your 10 cents grocery store plastic sac, and think it's ok just show your lack of awareness in regard to certain facts. You have problem with believers? Guess what?!?!?! I do too. That is why you find me here and not on a Christian or Mus-fraud-lim website. Evidence is relative. What might be evidence for either one of us might not be to the other. So it's futile to even go there. I Know what I know. On the other hand, I appreciate Atheists because they open my eyes to certain facts and entice me to think outside the box, ...sometimes. I don't say this to kiss up to anyone. As far as verifiable knowledge, that does not really elevate you general existence above mine by much, does it? You still have to live your life, in general dealing with relatively the same struggles I deal with. We differ in opinions and beliefs, that's about it.I happen to know that Quran contain verses from Bible. And also from Torah (thats why and how muslims claim that their version of religion is the last and final one). While each text is subject to interpretation. And you would find those differences to be crucial. You did not provided any answer to me, you dodged any continuous discussion twice. Good day sir.
Not one writer or historian from the 1st Century wrote a single word of Jesus or that story Philo was there the whole time Justus of Tiberius was there Neither mentioned a single word of the story because it never happened.I am having trouble applying any weight to your logic. From what I see, there was no historians at the time of Jesus. Only book writers. If you had a good subject that would sell, then you would write a book. Josephus was able to sell tales of history. But I can not believe the numbers he put on populations and army sizes at all. Philo was on the opposite side of the fence from Jesus. Therefore, had no reason to write about Jesus. Justus was writing about the Jewish wars that Jesus was not a part of. Jesus was just being pushed into the public view when Sejanus was killed. Which is most likely the reason Jesus was taken out of the political picture at that point. Jesus had developed a message, got enough of a following to be taken seriously if appointed to office by Sejanus. If Antonia had not tipped off Tiberius of Sejanus plans, Jesus most likely would have been named the King of the Jews. And written into history at the time. Let me meet you half way on this. I believe the Christian Jesus was not real. But I do believe the Gnostic Jesus was a real person. Once John and Paul got Christianity created, Jesus became the most written about person in world history. Yet, the real Jesus’s records, like the Nag Hammadi library got covered up. What I see as the really big issue going on with Jesus is the connection between the Gnostic and Christian religion. The logic thinking for Jesus being real is the Gnostic Texts. The whole religious direction of the Gnostic vs. the Christians is quite different. In the Gnostic way of thinking, Jesus is an atheist. In the Christian, he is a deity. The pathways are going in opposite directions. Gnosticism seems to have showed up before Christianity and has the Egyptian way of thinking about “Knowledge". So, having the oldest Gnostic churches in Egypt is understandable. And Gnosticism was on the rise in Egypt and even reaching Rome. Then after the church standardized its faith. Gnosticism got wiped out to the point very little was understood about, Jesus the Buddha until the 1980’s when the Nag Hammadi texts that were found in 1945 started to get released. Question? The question then becomes, why was the Gnostic text being blended in with the Jewish religion? Or, put another way. Why was atheism and a deity being mixed together? The only answer that is logical to me is for a political reason. We have Valentinus whose existence is not in question claiming that he had been instructed by one of Jesus’ apostles. Now Valentinus almost became Pope a couple times. Valentinus is known as one of the greatest Gnostic teachers of that time and may have even been a bishop in the church. How does this piece of the puzzle fit into the fabrication of Jesus? I don’t see it fitting at all.
Obviously you are not interested in facts. ... But you just want confirmation of the the myth that was created 2,000 years ago.and? Jesus appeared to me 'couple of' times During this lifetime and not 2000 years ago, Lausten. He fixed my spine, he saved my life and one time I was going to commit a suicide and yet again his face flashed in my mind and I received the following warning: "If you try to do it, I will stop you!!!". If it was not for Him I would not be alive today. Again, not 2000 years ago, but during this lifetime, He gave me some of the most beautiful insights, graces, you name it. The types of FACTS I have about Jesus are: My legs are still working and thanks only to Him. I am still alive, again, only thanks to Him, I am sound and healthy, again, Only thanks to Him, I am sustained in scorched land just as the bible says, only thanks to Him, and on and on and on. So go ahead and pretend to deconstruct the Christian doctrine. Jesus will still live around me, in me, and through me. PS: This is the great great, ....daughter of Mohammad, the one they claim is a prophet of Is-fraud-lam. See how Yashuah works Lausten? Praise be to Yashuah...
I happen to know that Quran contain verses from Bible. And also from Torah (thats why and how muslims claim that their version of religion is the last and final one). While each text is subject to interpretation. And you would find those differences to be crucial. You did not provided any answer to me, you dodged any continuous discussion twice. Good day sir."Good day, sir"?!?!? I never said good morning to you, to begin with. I was talking to someone else when you jump in. Like I said: Evidence is relative. what May be evidence to one of us, might not be to the other and vis versa. Go take a hot bath as you seem to need it. LOL.