Another thing it doesn’t seem you have given much thought. We can tell someone is lying. Not in all cases, but as in the example given about brain scans, someone describing something their uncle actually did vs something they made up. That’s not hard to verify. Or, even easier, just ask someone to tell a story and ask them to describe verifiable facts, while scanning their brain.
That doesn’t really prove that they are lying though. You’d have to prove intent, which is next to impossible. We can only infer intent.
You also haven’t answered how beliefs affect our emotions when beliefs themselves are based in emotion.
I did. I don’t repeat myself over and over like you do.
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You didn’t, I checked. You just assert that they do, like him, but don’t explain how. I’ve scanned the whole thread.
Even your parts about music were false, turns out music taste and liking is based on personality, values, and thinking style.
“Now, we all have some of those. Are we responsible for our habits? Yes. Can we change them? Yes. Do we need to judge ourselves from what we created in the past and forgot about? Now, the judging isn’t necessary. We’re already reaping enough consequences of the habit without having to add punishment on top of it as an extra motivator. So if the judge wants to turn on you, you can help redirect the judge. Say, “Hey, the actual problem over here is the habit of this belief system that’s unconscious. If you really want to help, you’ll help me dissect it”.”
You were also wrong about him saying we aren’t responsible for our habits.
By agreement… 
I said we can change our habits. I said we can choose to practice new things until they become habits. Anyone who does sports or music does this.
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I don’t understand your question about “what false beliefs”. I said we are born with instincts and a combination of nature and nurture develops those beliefs. I don’t think you know what cart or horse is analogous here. Try this.
Each of us has different beliefs, the examples given are things like “the weather is making me sad”. We develop that belief because we hear someone saying it, unless the people around us are farmers, then we might hear some thankfulness for rain. What I don’t like about the links you provide is they are summaries, introductions, very incomplete.
Sayings like, “X made me sad” are shorthand. They are abstractions of longer lines of cause and effect that depend on what it is that we do. Like I know a walk in the woods is somehow restorative for me, it is physically invigorating and that can be shown to have chemical reasons, and those healthy chemicals also affect my brain chemistry, so I feel better when I do it. So if it’s pouring rain, I’m not going for that walk, so I won’t get something I know is good for me, so that kicks off a different emotion. What the guy is saying is, you can choose to do something else, something else that has a different chain of causes and effects, like for me, reading a book because it might get my brain to connect different memories, different thoughts and maybe even lead to a new insight, something I can use to create more happiness in and around me.
If you don’t think chemicals and synapses are things that can change inside of you and cause sensations that we label as emotions, then I don’t know what else to say. I don’t know what words mean to you.
There is no magical “elan vital” that comes from the outside. Only data.
All experiences derived from that data are internally generated as compared to memories.
That doesn’t answer the question. How does agreement give something meaning?
What does this mean?
This still doesn’t explain the HOW. How do beliefs create emotions? Because it’s pretty obvious stuff makes us feel things despite what he thinks. His examples don’t even track. How music affects you is (effectively) based on who you are. It’s why people can listen to the same song the first time and either love it or consider it noise. It’s not “pure” like he thinks it is. Even the part about wheat an celiac disease, it is the wheat causing it, you didn’t do it to yourself. IT’s two parts.
The cart here is emotions and the beliefs are the horse. Even in that link they don’t explain how beliefs drive emotion and they make the same false assumption that there is some proper way of doing things. We like to think reason and emotion are distinct when it is emotion that drives reason. Or to put it another way: logic can help you get what you want but can’t tell you what that is. All logic and reason is rooted in assumptions and axioms otherwise it can’t do anything. Emotion is that axiom. So how can you have something like beliefs affect emotion when emotion is what drives beliefs?
Again you don’t explain how beliefs affect emotions. According to him language is something we made up and gave meaning, these things…a concept and a story well tell ourselves that we get wrapped up in. So how does something like that make emotions?
Well that’s all he gives. Again I tried to ask him how beliefs affect or create emotions or how they supposedly create emotions at will and get nothing. They say it’s predicated on you believing that you are not the mind, as if there is some watcher or ghost in the machine. It’s rooted in the notion of meditation of “Watching” your thoughts go by as if the mind is a movie being played. Though after reading up on neuroscience I have questions about this so called watcher and whether it’s not some illusion.
You can try browsing his site for more info, I gave up when everything seemed to just be a plug to buy the course. The members won’t answer questions about what this stuff means either.
Again no, what he’s saying is that it’s the belief about it, not the thing itself. He’s not talking about it being shorthand, he’s just outright calling it a lie. Additionally he’s greater point is that you can create these emotions at will with training but doesn’t explain how, hence that article on connection where he says you can create the feeling of connection rather than doing all that stuff.
Also you don’t believe in free will so how can you choose to do something else? And again this doesn’t explain how. Like I (and also he) said words are noises we give meaning to, same with concepts, so how does that create emotion?
I know he didn’t say that. I’m not sure what he would say and that and it doesn’t matter. You jump what you think he means to what you think and around and around. I wish you would state more clearly what you think. Maybe we could actually accomplish something.
What I’m talking about is what he is saying. You ask for clarity but the thing is I have tried to get it and no one on there will tell me. The more questions I ask the more they try to pin some sort of past trauma on me to explain why I’m like this. The more questions I ask the more they evade and I’ve been banned a few times for asking questions. Then again I’m talking to people who think consciousness isn’t a product of the brain.
He doesn’t clarify anything and seems to default to basic talking points or evidence that I have to clear up.
But what I think is that stuff does make us feel things, I don’t think we can control or choose our emotions, and when I tried to asked them how none of them gave me an answer. They say they can’t but don’t say how they can or how it works. They just say they had a personal experience with Truth and that’s the end of it. It’s the mentality of “question everything, unless you get a different answer than me, in which case you’re doing it wrong”. Along with vague nonsense like “the answer is inside you” which is saying nothing.
I mean one of the members even cited this guy as proof of his claims: Eben Alexander (author) - Wikipedia
So you can sorta guess what environment that forum breeds.
I doubt that beliefs affect emotions, because that hasn’t worked out in my life like that. Believing something to be good or bad seems to be the case but then that begs the question of how these things got to be good or bad to begin with. Again, how do beliefs affect or create emotions, no one can answer that.
I think people are mistaken with this “Gap” between stimulus and response for emotions and reactions, I think what they do with meditation and the like is just condition a different sort of response to certain emotions or all of them and then enact what is considered a “Controlled” response.
But again I DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY THINK BECAUSE THEY DON’T ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT!!!
Go on there and test it for yourself if you don’t believe me.
I don’t care much about that forum. I don’t know why you keep dealing with him. That’s why I’m asking you what you think. I’m not interested in sorting out what you think about what someone else thinks that neither of us think too much of.
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Confirmation of a best guess by your brain, i.e. "Cognition and confirmation based on prior memory and familiarity with the recurring “data pattern”.
When 2 or more brains arrive at the same best guess, there is consensus and agreement on the patterns contained in the incoming data. i.e. when my red is approximately the same as your red we can agree on the color.
Note that colorblind people cannot make such comparison. Their experience of red and green may be a dull brown and purple may be a completely unknown color to the partially impaired optics of the colorblind brain.
Thoughts are the result of internal processing of incoming data as compared with internal memories of earlier similar processes (observations).
The emerging image or emotional action potentials emerge from and are based on this internal “matching” process and results in a degree of “confidence” (belief) in the best guess by the brain (Seth).
Well I think a lot about it. But I can’t really give you more detail than what was posted on here. He won’t answer my questions on it.
The only thing recently I heard from him giving a talk on authenticity was talking about how that’s a concept, words are grunts given meaning, something about building a story with these words that we “live” in and then transcending the words and not caring about being authentic or not before then following with a talk about how being authentic was important. I’m not really sure where he was going with that, seemed to undercut what he said later about being authentic being important. He called that thing about words “high level” and the stuff about authenticity “mind stuff”, “mental level” or “noise”. Didn’t make much sense. All I knew is that he had a lot of misconceptions about things, especially how children behave. They aren’t pure like most spiritual types think, they’re just naive.
Like kids care what others think, they just don’t care what they feel. Honestly it often reads a lot like someone who hasn’t worked with kids, I have and I can promise that myth people have about them ain’t true.
It’s not “like kids”. What you are saying is, “they” are the kids. If not, who else is “they”?.
That is a bizarre thing for them to say. I don’t know why you keep reading their forum
Perhaps because it’s so deliciously confusing.
And it doesn’t demand anything new from the reader, just keep dancing around the same old May Pole making pretty patterns.
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