It does to me… 
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I guess?
My issue is when people like him though talk about a knowing that occurs without words or concepts, which to me is ironic because “knowing” is a cognitive event.
I think you’re spot on there.
That’s because “people like him” aren’t good faith actors, they are hustlers looking for chumps and they will say anything that sounds provocative or interesting enough to ensnare that fish.
Take a look at mr. trump, most of everything that comes from his mouth is insane discombobulated cow poop - never the less the chumps keep buying the poison. Don’t be like that, think for yourself, with that dose of skepticism you possess.
You seem very thoughtful, spend more time trusting your own feeling and thoughts and work with understanding that, through your own experiences and introspection.
I searched for that mythical “silencing” and even found it. Basically it taught me, silence is silence and nothingness is nothingness, and it’s a nightmare to actually get into that space.
We are biological creatures made for living out our lives, we need society (that’s coming for a guy who used to be proud of his loner nature), even if it’s a small group - focus on living your life and interacting with people. That will teach you way more that a guy trying to hustle a dime.
Are you familiar with Joseph Campbell, he was a dig deal in my days.
He wrote an excellent book and followed it up with a fascinating TV series.
Aug 23, 2022 #documentary #television #tvshow
Joseph Campbell encourages the audience to discover what excites them, and to make that the basis for their personal journeys.
Watch Episode 2:• Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth…
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Yeah but try explaining that to them and you get banned…which…I got again.
I don’t know about that because I can’t prove intent, but it does seem like he uses certain lines to avoid questioning what he is saying. Mostly the civility line, or being open minded, stuff like that. The issue though arises when it comes to criticizing his takes and the like. It’s clear he has a misunderstanding of the concepts he is using but pointing that out doesn’t pan out well.
Like in the above post I made a while ago his proof is one time something happened with his nephew, which doesn’t mean much. Everything he says is more just his own experience and the like and the examples he uses reads like someone who is out of touch. The thing about kids for example, or saying how newborns are in pure awareness without concepts or thoughts (even though the blank slate idea of humans was proven wrong due to a mountain of evidence). The examples he used in another segment about how his friend got carried away in politics and saying how it was the story or idea that got carried away not him, but stories and ideas can’t get carried away, people can. Stories and ideas don’t have form. Even the example about drivers and how “I need to move” is taken as some feeling of unworthiness rather than the more simple example of just driving defensively. I know if someone is riding me behind in traffic I move, I’ve learned it’s not worth fighting them on it.
It’s not accurate to say stuff doesn’t make us feel, because it does. Sure our beliefs play a role, but so does the thing or event and our experience with it. Even our own beliefs are affected by experience and emotion so it’s more than what he says.
But it’s just frustrating trying to convey all this to them because they don’t want to hear it. They just cite personal experience and that’s it, even when I try to argue that personal experience could be mistaken and it might not be what you think it is.
Even Lausten mentioned that with that review to his book, he clearly doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. The thing about interrupting a thought stream to break the narrative and the emotional hold doesn’t work either, I’ve tried that. All it really does is push it down.
The brain is a computer. It doesn’t know anything because it is completely isolated from everything, except for the senses and neural system that feeds it “information”.
The “cognition” happens when this information is "compared " to prior information that is stored in the brain, by “pyramidal” cells, that store data as accessible memory.
When the information is compared, the brain applies natural “differential equations” which allows the brain to discover any differences in the incoming data from the data that’s “on record”.
One survival mechanism that is already present in the most ancient and simple organisms is “touch” .
A single celled Paramesium that has no nerves or brain still reacts when it meets an obstacle and most remarkably, can remember successful navigational movements.
This proves that cells (cytoplasm) themselves can already store memory in some form or another.
Paramecium aurelia . Optical microscope. Paramecium aurelia, the best known of all ciliates. The bubbles throughout the cell are vacuoles. The entire surface is covered in cilia, which are blurred by their rapid movement.
and this thought-provoking video.
Does intelligence and emotion originate at this level? I think so. It can be demonstrated that Eukaryotic cells have the ability to respond to threats and that the “fight or flight” response
All Eukaryotic life is made up from extraordinary collections and formation of cells, which themselves are only made up of some 29 chemicals. That’s it !!!
And then to think that our extraordinary intelligence is just an evolutionary result of the earth’s natural laboratory of trial and error mineralogy, plus time and surface.
But it does prove that in a dynamic environment of sufficient naturally occurring biochemistry, life can originate and overcome some extreme test of persistence.
Just think of all the species that are now extinct, and the unimaginable variety of life that has originated and evolved on earth.
IMHO, The earth itself is an expression of emotion, a response to stimulation.
That’s funny, Lausten.
That’s Life.
You aren’t a court of law. Your burden of proof is only for you. You choose to interact with these people or not.
I know, it’s just frustrating when you try to seek clarity on something and they won’t talk about it.
It got really weird when they talked about awareness like it was something magical. Something about imagination and wondering who is the you in the imagination and who is the one watching the dream, then something about the dream dreaming you. It sounded like nonsense and when I questioned it I got banned. He’s literally describing a cognitive event and since I always comes back to this body and nothing in dreams or imagination carries over then this is the real me, obvi.
No matter how vivid the imagination it’s not even close to reality, even if you think so. I know, I’ve done so. It never gets close to the real thing but a pale shadow, which leaves me highly doubting everything else.
I did have a sort of crisis when it came to questioning who I am. Am I the “watcher” of thoughts? Are the feelings I’m watching really me? What about the thoughts? Is the autism me too in that I need structure and routine, or is it the “awareness”. Isn’t awareness just sensation? But what about looking at something and not paying attention.
Interesting questions but not a discussion they can have.
Of course you will, they are looking for yes people, they have no use for a critics that thinks for themself and ask awkward questions.
I imagine it’s much the same as my Lutheran Catechism classes were back in '67
Every time I hear that I think of Richard Feynman: “Keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.”
I’ve taken care of newborns & infants, I know those claims are clueless.
But, don’t take my word for it, experts have finally caught up with things mothers have know since for ever:
Right, sure.
Why does it matter what “he” says?
Why are you fixating on him?
Choose your battles.
What will you be Present to?
Not necessarily. It sort of depends on how much you are expecting. It’s a question of degrees and building up a track record build upon how you are living your todays, one after another.
I want to be left in utter solitude for hours at a time, so I can focus on whatever project I happen to be wrapped up with at the time. But, between regular chores, my Maddy demands a lot of attention and walks, meaning I’m nonstop interrupted by her, sometimes I want to put a fist through the wall because I’m so exasperated at yet another scratch at the door, … Just when that paragraph is coming together or something.
But, acting like the mad man inside, would destroy the relationship we have, not to mention crush my wife, probably irreparably harm the good thing we have, leaving all of us feeling like shit and ugly days. So I manage to shift my thoughts, works pretty good, though I’ll admit, every so often the woods ring with a primal scream, but just as fast I also realize every time walk with her is a plus for my health and a usually fascinating inter-species experience. Not to mention the pure privilege and joy of living were we do helps. Though all that’s part of my karma too, after decades of work mind you.
I take comfort in: “Be good, but not too good.”
Be critical of yourself, and also honest.
One of my toughest lessons was seeing how many of my hero’s turn to clay, but with each we learn a bit more. I say that to reassure you not to take what others are saying too much at face value - odds are they are just a lost as you. Cross check and verify.
It is nonsense. Banning you is them saying they sing want to be questioned. It’s a free world, they can do that.
This one is harder and I doubt I can answer satisfactorly. I do sympathize. I have anxiety. Most days I’m fine but sometimes I can’t do much except worry. When I talk about it, it’s like I’m talking about someone else. It’s part of me but not like an appendix that can be removed if it gets inflamed. There isn’t a strategy for dealing with it. The best word is “acceptance”.
"Grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
enjoying one moment at a time;
accepting hardships as the pathway to peace …"
(after that it’s too much about God, rather than you, so I clipped it)
reinhold niebuhr (1892-1971)
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I don’t really know. I guess I’m looking for reassurance that I’m right and not doing something wrong or living a lie of some sort? I can only try to recount some of what he says on the website since it’s not available to the public but only if you register, so I can’t really show it all or remember everything but I try. I know it’s be crazy to ask people to register there to see what I am talking about, but I guess I have doubts about what I think because people on there say his stuff has worked on them and they can do this, but that’s really just a say so.
But the more I watch his stuff the more doubts I have about everything else he is saying, it really does read like someone who doesn’t have a clue about this stuff. Like earlier when I posted the video about him saying the mind creates reality just because our brains make a best guess of what’s out there. Saying that music doesn’t exist but is pressure waves, same with color, and also that the sun doesn’t set but the Earth revolves around the sun.
Though the things about music and color aren’t entirely right, sound is just how we experience the pressure waves but these do refer to things that exist, same as color. The experience is real, very much, though what it is might not be what we think.
I don’t know, every time I go down that “who is the real me” in that is it the autism, the “watcher”, the feelings, I don’t really get any answer and just sort of freeze. I’m sure there is some discussion to be had about that but not on places like that. I don’t really have a solid answer to that, I do know this body here is the real me, not the one dreaming and all that like he seems to be suggesting (that these are other you’s).
Though I guess the broad reasoning I have is that if beliefs are what are creating my emotions then I just get deflated knowing that.
That rage I feel is because of some belief I have about the world and not a fact of reality, hence nothing to really be upset over. Repeat for just about everything else.
Just curious. How do know what a fact of reality is? This is not a pop quiz. I’m interested in your thoughts.
Well I guess something that is just true no matter what you think or how you want to interpret it. As in no matter how much you flap your arms you aren’t going to fly, humans aren’t designed like that.
But to make my point about people on the site…well:
"So, let’s talk about awareness. You know, that thing that’s like knowing, but without all the pesky words and concepts? Yeah, it’s like trying to explain why cats do weird things—it just doesn’t quite translate.
But hey, awareness isn’t just some new age concept you find on a bumper sticker. No, it’s like the secret sauce to transcending your ego and escaping the mind’s little hamster wheel of suffering. It’s like getting upgraded to first class on the flight of life.
Lesson one: Be present. Sounds simple, right? But have you ever tried being present while your mind is off planning tomorrow’s grocery list or rehashing that embarrassing thing you did in middle school? Yeah, it’s like herding cats in a hurricane.
Lesson two: Realize your mind is dreaming. I mean, seriously, have you ever stopped to consider that maybe your brain is just making stuff up as it goes along? It’s like being the star of your own personal soap opera, complete with plot twists and dramatic monologues in the shower.
So, next time you catch yourself lost in thought, just remember: awareness is like your own personal superhero cape, ready to swoop in and save the day. And hey, if all else fails, just laugh it off—because who knows, maybe that’s the secret third lesson of awareness: never take yourself too seriously.
Or maybe it’s this: awareness is like a double-edged sword. On one hand, it can help you cut through the illusions of your mind and see reality as it is. On the other hand, it can also make you realize how absurd and hilarious everything is.
For example, have you ever noticed how we humans have this tendency to label everything? We label ourselves, we label others, we label our emotions, we label our thoughts, we label our experiences. We even label our labels. It’s like we’re obsessed with putting things in boxes and sticking stickers on them.
But what if we stopped doing that for a moment? What if we just observed things as they are, without judging them or attaching any meaning to them? What if we just let go of our expectations and assumptions and just embraced the mystery of life?
Well, I’ll tell you what would happen: we would probably laugh a lot more. Because we would see how ridiculous and funny most of our labels are. We would see how we create our own problems and dramas by taking things too personally or too seriously. We would see how we limit ourselves and others by clinging to our identities and roles.
We would see how we miss out on the beauty and wonder of the present moment by living in the past or the future. We would see how we waste our energy and attention on things that don’t really matter or that we can’t control.
We would see how we are all connected and interdependent, and how we are all part of something bigger and greater than ourselves. We would see how we are all one, and how we are all different. We would see how we are all perfect, and how we are all flawed. We would see how we are all human, and how we are all divine.
And we would laugh. We would laugh at ourselves, we would laugh at each other, we would laugh at life. We would laugh with joy, we would laugh with love, we would laugh with gratitude. We would laugh with awareness."
Just a response to show you what they think of awareness.
I’m also doubtful of their claim that I ID with the mind being why I felt like I did because the only sites that show that up when I google it are the spirituality ones so I’m not sure it’s a real answer and more of a “out”.
Okay. I’m going to ignore what the guy said. It’s a garbled-up mish-mash of Buddhism, Eckhart Tolle and Oprah. They get the basic idea of things like mindfulness, but they are terrible teachers, just rambling and saying “awareness is cool”. You know this stuff better than they do.
What you said is similar to Sherlock Holmes, In The Sign of Four, Holmes asks Watson: “How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” Or, it doesn’t matter what opinions people have, what’s true is true. If I were you, I would give some more thought to your “humans can’t fly” example and compare it to what that site does. They don’t give evidence, they say things like “it’s like”, they don’t point to common experiences, they say “realize”, as if you can just “realize” the same thing they are thinking for no reason. Calling awareness a superhero is something from Schoolhouse Rock (look it up on YouTube).
If you think about how you determine truth and then look at what these guys are doing, you might actually realize something.
I’m not sure how I determine truth though, I think that if I can’t prove them wrong then I’m wrong, or if I can’t move them. They say it works and it’s true but it’s really just their say so:
"THAT is the secret. There is no great secret. Humans create emotions through stories and remembering all the time. That’s how music movies and stories work! They trigger memories that create emotions. Emotions are exactly as real as they feel. The source is not what matters to the feelings.
The feelings, the emotions have their own value apart from, in addition to, or independent from the source. Then that amazing device just behind our foreheads, the pre-frontal cortex, gets to ascribe meaning to it and start the next cycle by generating even more emotion, this time coloured or even determined by the story we tell.
NOW you are starting to see! It’s that simple. And it works. And in the middle of looming unemployment, very high levels of uncertainty and fixed expenses I do not control, I can function and be happy. It works. "
Like the guy above. Some of it is true, memory and framing does affect how we feel about something, that is true. But then what gives that it’s power to affect emotions though? No answer.
I often ask people on other forums about this stuff because I don’t really trust if I am in the right or not. Or if I am just clinging to a comforting worldview. This reminds me of trying out my moms shamanism stuff and not having it do anything to me. No energy, no spirit guide, nothing. With meditation the “observer” stuff just left me not really wanting to do anything or wanting anything. That exercise you gave me did affect me but in the same way. In short meditation doesn’t have the affect they claim it does to me and they can’t explain what is going wrong, they just have one liners and nothing else. I have had experiences sure, I’m just not sure it means what they think that it does.
TO give you another example I got this in my e-mail:
" > Ten days traveling through the ancient temples and sites of Egypt, accessing the consciousness of masters to lift you out of your inner world and into a feeling of Unconditional Love.
On the outside, you will visit the ancient pyramids and temples in Cairo. Cruise along the Nile to visit the temples and tombs in Aswan, Luxor, and Karnak. Perhaps even an optional early morning balloon ride over the Valley of the Kings for fun.
On the inside, it is a journey to remove your obstacles to love. That means not believing the stories in your head, letting go of fears, and embracing your emotions and Love.
The mechanisms for this inward transformation to Unconditional Love are Intent, Guided Meditations, Dreaming, Laughing, and Ceremony adapted to the inspiration of the moment and needs of those attending.
The shortcut for transformation that makes this a Spiritual Power Journey is to access the energy and wisdom of the ancient temples and the consciousness created there over thousands of years. I learned this from my teacher, and I will share it on the journey.
Have wonderful meals together at the best local restaurants with our like-minded travel mates, laughing and building friendships and experiences to last a lifetime.
All with our local guide, Heba, with her Ph.D. in Egyptology guiding us through the amazing world of Egypt. And on the inside, I have 30 years of experience guiding you through the underworld of your thoughts, beliefs, and emotions, healing, changing, and loving unconditionally.
My spiritual journey began by accident. I didn’t plan to become a teacher, coach, or mentor. I was simply miserable with my relationships and career, and I needed to sort out what was going on in my head so that I stopped making self-sabotaging decisions and be happy.
I just wanted to be happy.
I had been pursuing career and relationship goals assuming that fulfillment and happiness would be the result. I realized this was the wrong order of things. I placed my mental state of decision-making and internal happiness as the first priority and decided that relationship and career would need to support my emotional state. Success was now going to be measured by my emotional happiness and not by income, title, or relationship status.
My understanding in the beginning was basic that we had two kinds of emotions. Those that come from fear and those that come from love. If I wanted to be happy, I would have to identify my fears and beliefs supporting my fears and get rid of them. With fear removed, there would be more room for Love. With more love would come more happiness.
I went on a 10 day vacation on which I decided to identify my fears and get rid of them. What I didn’t expect was that an Intentful process for 10 days would bring an experience of opening my heart to feel more love than I would know was possible.
My blissful heart-opening experience came in a dream, and when I woke up, my mind immediately doubted whether I could feel that in real life. but I quickly noticed that as I lay there in the dark of the morning, my whole chest still felt blissful. I knew it was possible because I was awake, in this world, feeling incredible love flowing out of my chest.
Decisions and Commitment
I decided immediately that I wanted to feel that way all the time. I didn’t know if it was possible, but on the off chance it was, I wanted to try. I would find it possible to feel that blissful flow of love from my heart and chest.
In the beginning it would happen retreats and events, led by my teacher, and then sometimes spontaneously. I was like a child learning to catch a ball. I had no hand-eye coordination or skill to do it with any consistency. It was as if Miguel could toss it into my hand in the beginning. With time learned how to use my attention and catch Love myself. .
Learning to Love
With practice, I began to see that I could love more and more. My heart-head coordination was growing. With practice, I could move to love and catch it more and more often. And I could feel that love and let it flow out of me to others, nature, or to myself.
Now I see there isn’t just one ball to catch and throw. We live in a field of love, and I can catch, create, and express love outward at will. I can catch the love sent to me and accept it with gratitude. I can activate those muscles in my heart, open it, and let love flow to the field around me.
Physics of Love
None of my education or engineering courses taught me about the physics of emotions. I realize it isn’t an exact science as we can’t measure emotions well. And yet, with a lot of practice, I experience it consistently, so it is not haphazard either.
I know that to live and feel that expansive field of love around you and to open your heart to let it flow inside begins with a commitment.
It’s an odd arrangement for people to seek love when, as a society, we are taught to want proof, safety, and certainty, which all tend to be based in fear. Which direction will you pursue, Love, or fear?
Join us on the amazing journey through Ancient Egypt, and we will assemble the whole process for you."
To me this just reads like fakeness. The stuff about pyramids and energy for one I think is nonsense and speaks more to human imagination than reality. But to me the notion of unconditional love is just an abstraction and not real love. I doubt they even feel this also given how he generally responds to questioning of what he says: either with nothing, you misunderstand, you have to do it (which is most useless as any half decent teacher will show where you’re wrong and fucking up, or deflecting to some personal issue). I really wish I could show it in action but you need an account to read his stuff. It just reads like fakeness and that they’re living some dream world while also trying to suggest they experience reality directly without concepts and labels (they don’t, if they did they literally wouldn’t be able to function, we don’t experience it directly without labels and junk we are even born with such things).
But even with all this I still can’t shake the “what if I am wrong” or " what if I’m mistaken" or just not doing it right? IT comes down to me being unable to move anyone there from this, or really anywhere with beliefs like this, if I can’t do it then how do I know I’m wrong.
He asked me one time who showed consciousness is a product of the brain, I said it’s not really any one person but more the preponderance of evidence that points in that direction, a lot of things (more and more) suggest the brain does all this stuff and nothing more.
It’s like…some of what they say is true, beliefs do affect emotions but also vice versa, but then it just gets muddled in noise. They also hide behind this notion of awareness being something you can’t touch and is beyond concepts, or a knowing beyond concepts and labels (even though knowing is cognition so it by definition can’t be that since it implies some THING to know).
Case in point:
"Awareness is the knowing you have that can not be translated into words and concepts.
You can use awareness to transcend the ego and suffering from the mind.
The first lesson of Awareness is to be Present.
The second lesson is to be Aware that Your mind is Dreaming. "
The transcend suffering from mind gives me flashbacks to buddhism and thinking it’s my fault for not choosing to cease suffering through enlightenment.
We all determine truth but most of us don’t try to describe what we’re doing. You can be good at it without laying it out like a formula. But, if you’re having doubts like the ones you are having, maybe you should look at that. You don’t need to prove anything to these guys, but if you have the difficulties you describe, there are ways to deal with them. Once again, I’m not a doctor, but there are links, online help, phone help, etc. And if you didn’t like my meditation, fine, try something else. You keep dismissing what CC and I say and going back to this website that you say you know is wrong. I think you can see the flaw in that.
I’m reading less and less of what you quote from them, because it’s all the same, here’s how it starts,
This is correct. It’s plucked from a million self-help gurus. It’s philosophically true, but it’s a paradox, right? A koan. So, it gets abused by hucksters. They say this, it rings true, then people believe whoever said it is knowledgable and listen to everything they say. As Admiral Akbar said, “it’s a trap”.
It can take a little fact checking to figure out the trap, but you already know these things. I think. Like when they direct you to “amazing device just behind our foreheads, the pre-frontal cortex”. The science on where emotions come from might be muddled and hard to follow, but emotions don’t come from higher levels of thinking and you can’t think your way out of depression or anxiety. You could cite scientific papers to these guys all day and they will never admit that they are spouting pseudo-scientific garbage.
There is a big difference between proving something is true and people accepting that your proof is correct. Their lack of acceptance doesn’t prove anything.
I can’t believe they are trying to sell a vacation to Egypt. That is not how you deal with repetitive thinking or autism spectrum or whatever. It’s what people with money do to think they are doing something important. There’s no energy locked up in those ancient temples.
Nothing works though and I keep thinking that if I let it go I’m missing out on some big life changing secret and living a lie for the rest of my life as a result. I already don’t feel anything after reading that Power segment up above, everything I used to like gets interrupted in my head by saying “it’s you belief system not the thing that makes you happy” after which I stop feeling anything.
Yeah I know but I’ve tried talking to them already.
But these are the responses I get when I ask questions about material they write:
"Your deep commitment to the intelectual concept of the denial of free will puts you in a victim position. You can’t choose, you can’t change anything you just have life happening to you and you are disempowered. Like solipsism it’s a fun academic game that is a waste of time and energy. Nobody lives or experiences life that way. Trying to is an emotional dead end and dysfunctional trap.
The fun thing is you CAN AND DO make choices all the time. You choose to write to me. You don’t believe me or take me seriously or respect my perspective yet you keep writing to me! Why? It’s not your training, that tells you I’m just a woo-woo nutcase who makes no sense. It’s not our close relationship. We’ve never met and likely never will. It’s not that you expect to learn anything from me. You don’t.
You can decide what to do with your life. You can waste your time or look for other opportunities and options. You make those choices and blaming your active choosing on mysterious subconscious conditioning is way more woo-woo than me attributing mystical experiences to unexplained spiritual realities, or at least as much so.
Life is filled with mystery. Embrace it and let go of your tight grip on any concept that harms you. Likewise relationships that don’t benefit you. It’s worth a try. "
Which to me is just WILDLY ignorant of how reality, people, and life works. Subconscious conditioning is ABSOLUTELY A THING and to call it woo is utterly retarded (excuse me). There are literally HUNDREDS of examples of this. Do they even ask themselves how they choose to believe what they believe? Could it have something to do with reading this dude’s stuff making them choose “good” options? There is plenty of evidence to show that belief in free will is linked with more pro social behavior and well being, they’re just on for the ride.
But to suggest I have choices when I literally moved states away from all my family, didn’t get a choice in whether my childhood home was sold or not, haven’t made friends despite all my effort, haven’t had a job in months, my father almost dying which would leave me homeless and broke, realizing that my family isn’t as close as I thought they were and likely won’t help me, there is just so many things out of my control and my current situation is literally with zero options. I had to sell some things to have some money to tide me over but now I have nothing.
It’s like they are clueless to how life actually works. They don’t answer questions, they try to make it sound like you’re in control when really I’m not. At this point it’s just hope and prayer keeping me going. I’ve had zero jobs these past few months.
I have no idea how difficult it is for you, but I know that others have found things that work, and I see you are smart, and you do work on this in some way, so I have hope.
Fear of missing out is not unusual, so I get that. But I used to think I was missing out on fun when everyone else was going out and getting wasted. I turned out to be wrong about that. Your choices are your choices. These guys do not seem to care much about you.
Yeah, that’s the thing I think you should stop doing. Talking to them won’t change them and won’t help you. In fact, they are harmful. Couple examples.
"Your deep commitment to the intelectual concept of the denial of free will puts you in a victim position.”
Free will is a valid topic to discuss. They want you to think you are a victim so that you will buy their solution.
“You make those choices and blaming your active choosing on mysterious subconscious conditioning is way more woo-woo than me attributing mystical experiences to unexplained spiritual realities, or at least as much so.”
Those are not equivalent. He is comparing scientific knowledge of the subconscious to his new-age mumbo-jumbo. He can’t make a real case for that. He never has. But you know that, right? Because:
My suggestion is a bit of a paradox because I love trying to sort out things like this and reading about what you’re up to. But, close the computer, or put down the phone, or whatever you are doing. Get away from this. It’s in your head because you keep reading and trying to win this conversation but he’s not on the same playing field as you. He just wants your money, or your attention, or validation. It doesn’t matter, he doesn’t want what’s best for you.
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