Matthew was QUOTING JESUS. I live by the words of JESUS in MATT.,Mark, Luke, John and REV.1>3. Pauls words are mostly trash, for Example: Jesus said in in Matt. 5:10 that the RIGHTEOUS will inherit the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Paul Said in ROMANS 3:10 there are NONE RIGHTEOUS , NO, NOT ONE. Paul said many things that contradict JESUS.
Matthew is claiming to quote Jesus. How do you know he is? How do you know he wasn't mistaken? There are enough contradictions in the Gospels to be assured that SOMEONE is either mistaken or deliberately exaggerating.
OK, If Matthew was quoting Jesus, then who was Jesus quoting. Remember Jesus's brother James is known as the man who was always holding a book. Hmm!
Well, he could have been speaking his own mind, but even if there were a Jesus and he is the person purported to be the messiah, I'd say that at least 75% of what he is quoted as saying was misheard, misinterpreted, misreported, mistranslated or twisted to suit someone's agenda. You simply can't depend on writings about a man who was long dead when he was quoted by people who had something to gain by claiming he was god.
Lois
Well, he could have been speaking his own mind, but even if there were a Jesus and he is the person purported to be the messiah, I'd say that at least 75% of what he is quoted as saying was misheard, misinterpreted, misreported, mistranslated or twisted to suit someone's agenda. You simply can't depend on writings about a man who was long dead when he was quoted by people who had something to gain by claiming he was god.
Lois
I agree with you 100%.
It is funny what people read in the bible without thinking about what you just said. One example would be God’s Law that says you can kill your children if they curse the parents. That is an example of poor translation or meanings changing or losing meaning over time.
A curse had the power of god. A curse could cause an army to lose the war. The 10 commandments were nothing more than a curse from the god Moses.
Well, he could have been speaking his own mind, but even if there were a Jesus and he is the person purported to be the messiah, I'd say that at least 75% of what he is quoted as saying was misheard, misinterpreted, misreported, mistranslated or twisted to suit someone's agenda. You simply can't depend on writings about a man who was long dead when he was quoted by people who had something to gain by claiming he was god.
Lois
I agree with you 100%.
It is funny what people read in the bible without thinking about what you just said. One example would be God’s Law that says you can kill your children if they curse the parents. That is an example of poor translation or meanings changing or losing meaning over time.
A curse had the power of god. A curse could cause an army to lose the war. The 10 commandments were nothing more than a curse from the god Moses.
Yes, I think Moses was a televangelist of his time, claiming to have a private pipeline to god.
An omniscient god, as we've come to understand such an entity, would never have proffered such a hodgepodge of contradictory, simplistic and repetitive commandments. A power hungry religious "leader" would.
Lois
Yes, I think Moses was a televangelist of his time, claiming to have a private pipeline to god.
An omniscient god, as we've come to understand such an entity, would never have proffered such a hodgepodge of contradictory, simplistic and repetitive commandments. A power hungry religious "leader" would.
Lois
Yea, to the historians and archeologist Moses is about as interesting as Jesus. Some say before the Exodus, Moses went to Africa (Kush) and became the king or general of the Kushites. Married Zipporah, the daughter of the Midianite priest and then returned to Egypt and lead the Exodus. What the bible talks about is the Moses Exit out of Egypt. The Egyptian writing are about two exits, but mainly the Hyksos Exit out of Egypt. The problem has always been that the archeologist working on this part of history have always been trying to prove the bible version and in doing this were only recognizing one Exit out of Egypt which cause trouble with the timeline of several hundred years.
The oldest Aramaic writing ever found and are 6 to 8 hundred years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls and talk about the Exodus of Moses. But they were found in a sex temple of Moses’ rival Balaam who was also talked about in the bible in relation to the Exodus. And the writings tells the story from the other sides view point. But this is not talked about or known by many. These were found back in 1967 and are stored in Jordan and are accepted as fact by the archeologist and scholars, known as the Deir-Alla Inscriptions.
I think the next big item to be corrected in the bible will be Jesus and his trip on the water. The Christian story is that this took place at the “Sea of Galilee" or it is assumed that it took place there. But translations and other historic facts are going to place it at a ministry that was located in Spain. But the problem was Jesus failed at his mission and was kicked out of Spain. This fact was kept out of the bible and changed to the Sea of Galilee instead of in Galicia Spain.
Then we can expect more about Moses, mainly because of the DNA reports have stopped a lot of the Christian archeologist theories. And the digging at Avaris is showing that the Middle Kingdom (Land of Goshen) may have existed in Egypt. Just a month ago they found a pharaoh that was unknown and was a pharaoh of the Middle Kingdom.
Well you're kidding of course, and I'm not. I really did speak to Jesus (I call him Jessie, more informal). But that's beside the point. Kinduva tangent but I had a friend in college who was a total churchie. He told me they'd regularly post pictures of office equipment the church needed on the bulletin board in the vestibule. Then during church on Sunday the priest would include a prayer to god asking him for the equipment. And lo and behold someone always donated it or the money for it! Talk about materialistic.
I just have not had the time to dive into the thinking of the bible on all of its aspects. And your post sounds like you favor Jesus. Was Jesus a God? I would have to say the main power of all the gods was the power of the “Word" if it was an Egyptian god. And the power of “Knowledge" if it was a god based out of India.
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Do you see that the Christian method has never been able to clear up the one god or three god problem when they changed from the Gnostic thought?Nice post. I personally believe if there was an historic person corresponding with the Christian cartoon character Jesus, and some of his ideas were reflected imperfectly in the patchwork bible, then he was a great guy, a down to earth uber-liberal socialist ahead of his time. And that's the guy I talk to all the time. ;)
Nice post. I personally believe if there was an historic person corresponding with the Christian cartoon character Jesus, and some of his ideas were reflected imperfectly in the patchwork bible, then he was a great guy, a down to earth uber-liberal socialist ahead of his time. And that's the guy I talk to all the time. ;)
Thanks CuthbertJ.
When you look at the overall picture of religion, you will see that religion was more advanced in it thinking for the technical knowledge it had at the time back with the Vega religion.
I have no trouble with Jesus in the Gnostic format and Gnostic thinking.
I have no trouble with “God created Earth" ((GOD) Knowledge created earth for mankind) is all our ancestors is telling us. Someone had to, the planet was not made for mankind. Earth had to be domesticated for man to survive even in small populations.
The older Genesis stories tells us that mankind grew in population over and over again and each time almost being wiped out by plagues, starvation and acts of nature. What was interesting to me is the older Genesis never talk about wars or mankind battling each other.
Earth’s domestication is the key to understanding religion and why religion was needed by man. It is looking like the world wide natural disaster of 2708 BC must have hit at the same time as a major plague. I will make a wild guess that as much as 80% of the population was wiped out in India alone.
So much of the Vega knowledge and Vega legal system was lost that it never recovered. I think the Gnostic though was out of India and about 50 BC the religious movement was trying to get back to the old religion thinking. Jesus and James would have been part of this movement.
The big problem was “GOD" was knowledge and man was ruled by God’s laws. Even the kings and rulers were limited and had to follow God’s law. This did not set well with the Roman rulers and they supported a change to the Christian movement of Jesus. The “Jesus" Gnostic Movement was crushed and the Christian Roman Movement took over.
Mike