Why is it that it's always the fault of western powers that there is so much unrest and terrorism abroad? The various factions in the Middle-East have always been at each other's throat and the terrible crimes that went on and still go on under Eastern despots is rarely mentioned. I think there are simply too many inadequate people who take every opportunity to 'knock the establishment' in the mistaken belief they are 'doing good'. Such people need to take a long, cool look at themselves.I see . They are savages we are civilised. Well, if you consider open democratic countries as civilised, yes. How can you compare what happens in the Middle East with our way of life? I think we do come out of it as being civilised. Would you like to live in one of these countries as an average citizen? I kind of doubt it.Its a bad idea to apply our standards of "civilization" to the rest of the world. Democracy isn't inherently civilized and the clan based society of much of the Middle East isn't inherently uncivilized. In some ways ME is much stronger......there's no doubt they will outlive us. I'm a bit taken aback that a cultured man such as yourself thinks that. :-S
Why is it that it's always the fault of western powers that there is so much unrest and terrorism abroad? The various factions in the Middle-East have always been at each other's throat and the terrible crimes that went on and still go on under Eastern despots is rarely mentioned. I think there are simply too many inadequate people who take every opportunity to 'knock the establishment' in the mistaken belief they are 'doing good'. Such people need to take a long, cool look at themselves.It's not "always" anything. That's just your bubble. It's obfuscation of the problem. You touch on the underlying problems, but you scramble them in your search for someone to blame. The lack of history education is a fundamental problem. Leaving the teaching of morality to the churches is another. Both of those lead to moral relativism and confusion about when Western powers are interfering in the affairs of others and when they should be speaking to their values. We are a global species, separated by centuries of culture, but we've come back together. The old system of accepting one or two new members into the tribe has to be expanded to include the whole tribe. Making 'doing good' a bad thing is the exact opposite of that. What values are western powers speaking? I find you rather obtuse Adamski, so I'm not going to assemble a list for you. Try looking up Obama's last speech to the press as President. I think he covered Western values pretty well. Or any democratic constitution will do as a start. Or civil rights laws. Civil rights and democratic institutions are being eroded as socio economic conditions deteriorate for the working class in this current crisis that capitalism is going through. Some great value you have there tat can simply be done away with whenever it suits those in power No political system is perfect because human beings are not perfect but at least our system provides enough freedoms for people to follow their dreams. Not everyone has the same abilities - just a fact of life. :-)
Its a bad idea to apply our standards of "civilization" to the rest of the world. Democracy isn't inherently civilized and the clan based society of much of the Middle East isn't inherently uncivilized. In some ways ME is much stronger......there's no doubt they will outlive us.It is not really a matter of âour standardâ and âtheir standardâ. It is âcivilized standard". And, let us come to the sense that âweâ are not the best in terms of all aspects of human civilization. I agree with you âDemocracy isn't inherently civilized". Here is the Oxford Dictionaries definition of âdemocracy": âa system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives". It certainly implies that in order for democracy to be civilized, the population has to be civilized. When a population through free elections put religious hate-mongers in power, for example, they clearly do not deserve democracy; they need dictators like Turkeyâs Mustafa Kemal AtatĂźrk. It is true that the peoples in the ME have been enduring the wars. But when forced upon, all kinds of people can endure a lot. But could you explain how the Middle East might be stronger than us or could outlive us?
But could you explain how the Middle East might be stronger than us or could outlive us?Yup, that chain of reasoning would be fascinating to hear. Maybe it's got something to do with all the resources they have stashed away. But it takes more than bombs and weapons to survive, don't cha know.
It is true that the peoples in the ME have been enduring the wars. But when forced upon, all kinds of people can endure a lot. But could you explain how the Middle East might be stronger than us or could outlive us?Important to note that there's quite a bit of cultural variation in the Middle East, but most of them are simply tougher than us. ME societies have existed for a long time in a part of the world that's both geopolitically and physically very hostile; that environment breeds survivors. Nobody has ever bent them much out of their basic shape. The West (and liberal democracy in general) is relatively new and untested, and requires a lot of maintenance - often at other people's expense - to keep going. On top of this the western lifestyle makes those who live in it weak and sick - which leads to failure to keep up the maintenance. That is what we've been seeing in the west for some time.
Civil rights and democratic institutions are being eroded as socio economic conditions deteriorate for the working class in this current crisis that capitalism is going through. Some great value you have there tat can simply be done away with whenever it suits those in powerI said they SHOULD be speaking to values. You can figure out what I meant without spending too much time thinking about it. You are picking speeches that are leading to the erosion and claiming that's what I meant. This is why I don't talk to you.
Indonesian woman lashed 100 times for âbeing in presence of man she was not married toâ
Some people argue that Indonesia is quite a bit civilized among the Muslim-majority countries! That may be true. But Indonesia is certainly not civilized enough; and their barbaric way of life surely is not due to anything that the West has done in the world.
Saudi Arabia to Behead 6 School Girls for Being With Their Male Friends Without Parents or a Guardian
http://www.religionmind.com/2017/10/saudi-arabia-behead-6-school-girls-for.html#oLqaosFeTAF659cK.01
And the Western liberal nations allow Saudi Arabia to be a member of the Human Rights Commission and Womenâs Rights Commission of the United Nations!!!
Saudi Arabia to Behead 6 School Girls for Being With Their Male Friends Without Parents or a Guardian http://www.religionmind.com/2017/10/saudi-arabia-behead-6-school-girls-for.html#oLqaosFeTAF659cK.01 And the Western liberal nations allow Saudi Arabia to be a member of the Human Rights Commission and Women's Rights Commission of the United Nations!!!Could be fake, I can't find any other sources about it. Relevant to this - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/world/rise-of-saudi-prince-shatters-decades-of-royal-tradition.html A new young prince seems to be reforming some of the most hardcore Wahhabi policies.
Saudi Arabia to Behead 6 School Girls for Being With Their Male Friends Without Parents or a Guardian http://www.religionmind.com/2017/10/saudi-arabia-behead-6-school-girls-for.html#oLqaosFeTAF659cK.01 And the Western liberal nations allow Saudi Arabia to be a member of the Human Rights Commission and Women's Rights Commission of the United Nations!!!Could be fake, I can't find any other sources about it. Relevant to this - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/world/rise-of-saudi-prince-shatters-decades-of-royal-tradition.html A new young prince seems to be reforming some of the most hardcore Wahhabi policies. From the NY Times article, "The rise of Prince bin Salman has shattered decades of tradition in the royal family, where respect for seniority and power-sharing among branches are time-honored traditions." Yes. it is shattering the traditions of the ruling family. The young prince also talks about giving more dignity to women. But what he talks about still keeps his nation primitive, and is nothing compared to real respect for women where they would be treated as equal to men.