You are sounding like a communist.....Our lead in the auto is falling apart.I always wondered what happened to turbine cars back in the 60s. I remember hearing a radio announcer saying that turbine engines were banned from the Indy500 "because they were too fast". Like that makes sense for an auto race. I also recall watching a video clip of a race car engine mechanic talking as though he expected to lose his job because of turbine engines. Then they disappeared. No explanation. After working for IBM I conclude the technology is manipulated for the money. We have gone from the planned obsolescence of cars to the planned obsolescence of cell phone operating systems. The Capitalist vs Communist rubbish is just smoke and mirrors like Democrats vs Republicans. psik
You are sounding like a communist.....Our lead in the auto is falling apart.I always wondered what happened to turbine cars back in the 60s. I remember hearing a radio announcer saying that turbine engines were banned from the Indy500 "because they were too fast". Like that makes sense for an auto race. I also recall watching a video clip of a race car engine mechanic talking as though he expected to lose his job because of turbine engines. Then they disappeared. No explanation. It wasn't so much that turbine cars were too fast as it was their distance between pit stops. That gave them a major advantage over piston engine cars in long-distance races. As for street cars, the problems with turbines include pollution and exhaust heat. They are simply not practical for street applications.
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You are sounding like a communist.....Our lead in the auto is falling apart.I always wondered what happened to turbine cars back in the 60s. I remember hearing a radio announcer saying that turbine engines were banned from the Indy500 "because they were too fast". Like that makes sense for an auto race. I also recall watching a video clip of a race car engine mechanic talking as though he expected to lose his job because of turbine engines. Then they disappeared. No explanation. It wasn't so much that turbine cars were too fast as it was their distance between pit stops. That gave them a major advantage over piston engine cars in long-distance races. As for street cars, the problems with turbines include pollution and exhaust heat. They are simply not practical for street applications. So everyone should have switched to turbines for auto races. But what would that have done to "consumer demand"? But we never got an explanation, they just disappeared. psik
The Capitalist vs Communist rubbish is just smoke and mirrors like Democrats vs Republicans. psikI heard a joke long ago, while on a short visit to Budapest, back when the commies were there and real and infused every aspect of life. My local uncle told me a favorite joke: What was the difference between the capitalistic system and the communistic system? In the capitalistic system man exploits his fellow man, In the communistic system... it's exactly the other way around. :coolsmirk: :lol:
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Climate Change: Have We Reached the Point of No Return?
Due to progressing knowledge about the planetary climate system the models will probably be behind the actual workings of the system fer decades to come. We can only reduce the error. But that simply means we should have always assumed that there was a good chance of reality becoming worse than the models predict. If things turn out better than the models predict then what is the harm in that?
Forget Trust!
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NO! Climate Change: Have We Reached the Point of No Return? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUzuj4-s600 Due to progressing knowledge about the planetary climate system the models will probably be behind the actual workings of the system fer decades to come. We can only reduce the error. But that simply means we should have always assumed that there was a good chance of reality becoming worse than the models predict. If things turn out better than the models predict then what is the harm in that? Forget Trust! psikAnd we are getting perilously close to running out of time. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160211143109.htm In any other scientific discipline other than biology* the general population considers 97 percent consensus among specialists as settled, yet the energy companies have sown enough FUD to muddy the waters in people's minds. *Evolution being the exception, and that is largely on religious grounds in the United States. And, of course, the forum software thinks this post might be spam. Let's see if the link works now.
If you are really interested in what other metals would be deposit with the gold, we need to have Lausten look that up for us. Myself, I was only interested in the court cases about who owned the gold ending so the work could begin.Since you assigned me the task... Surprisingly, there was a case about mineral rights at the Geysers. Click Here.] Not surprisingly, there is no mention of gold lining pipes. Here are a few key phrases from this very readable legal doc:
None of the minerals in the steam is found in commercial quantities. The minerals arsenic, boron, and ammonia are present in the steam... "All oil, gas, oil shale, coal, phosphate, sodium, gold, silver, and all other mineral deposits in public lands belonging to the State, or which may become the property of the State, are reserved to the State."It's really a simple case of rights being granted to land, then the land being used in a different way and additional value discovered in it. It's pretty clear cut that the State has mineral rights and never granted them. I don't see how this affected geothermal energy at the time or any time since. The gold cases was in Imperial Valley. And it never really was about the gold. It was about holding up the work in Imperial Valley until the direction of America’s new energy policies was nuclear. You are right, the gold was just nothing to do with nothing when it comes to energy. At the time Magna Power was trying to figure out how to rid itself of the Geysers operation and replace it with Imperial Valley.
The gold cases was in Imperial Valley. And it never really was about the gold. It was about holding up the work in Imperial Valley until the direction of America’s new energy policies was nuclear. You are right, the gold was just nothing to do with nothing when it comes to energy. At the time Magna Power was trying to figure out how to rid itself of the Geysers operation and replace it with Imperial Valley.Except the case didn't hold up anything. They were never prevented from continuing with geothermal power generation, only from extracting minerals.
Enjoy!
The global temperature anomaly for January 2016 was 1.13° Celsius. That makes it the hottest January on record (the previous record was 0.95° C in 2007). But there’s more: 1.13° is the largest anomaly for any month since records began in 1880. There have only been monthly anomalies greater than 1°C three times before in recorded history, and those three were all from last year. The farther back in the past you go, the lower the anomalies are on average.
A lot of deniers will say this is a statistical fluctuation; sometimes things are just hotter. That is utter baloney. If that were true, you’d expect just as many record cold days/months/years as warm ones. Two Australian scientists looked into this and found record hot and cold days were about even … until the 1960s, then hot days started outpacing cold ones, and from 2000 to 2014 record heat outnumbered record cold by a factor of 12 to 1.http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/02/17/january_2016_was_the_hottest_january_on_record.html?wpisrc=burger_bar
This January was the warmest January on record by a large margin while also claiming the title of most anomalously warm month in 135 years of record keeping. The month was 1.13°C — or just a smidge more than 2°F — above normal. That tops December’s record of being 1.11°C — or just a smidge below 2°F — above average. It marks the fourth month in a row where the globe has been more than 1°C (1.8°F) above normal. Incidentally, those are the only four months where the globe has topped that mark since record keeping began.http://www.climatecentral.org/news/january-global-temperature-record-20035 psik
The gold cases was in Imperial Valley. And it never really was about the gold. It was about holding up the work in Imperial Valley until the direction of America’s new energy policies was nuclear. You are right, the gold was just nothing to do with nothing when it comes to energy. At the time Magna Power was trying to figure out how to rid itself of the Geysers operation and replace it with Imperial Valley.Except the case didn't hold up anything. They were never prevented from continuing with geothermal power generation, only from extracting minerals. You got to ask yourself, how can they stop from “extracting minerals" when the minerals are in the steam? And you are right, the wells that were at Imperial Valley continued to operate. And there were very few operational wells at the time. It was more likely a loss in cost to keep just a few wells in operation. The problem was that the new building and the funding for large scale operations was put on hold because if the government ruled that geothermal steam was a mineral, then the companies had no mineral rights. Remember the wells that were in operation were not high heat wells. The new investment wells were going to go after the high heat.
Enjoy!Statistical fluctuation my ass. Go around the blogosphere and you'd be amazed at the number of sheople who think those number are made up. And that melting glaciers aren't really happening, Sea level ain't doing nothing. It's all a lie, lie, lie by a bunch of scientists trying to protect their jobs and create a one world government. . . . :snake: {oh and Mike why hasn't any one written any studies or reports on this gold?}The global temperature anomaly for January 2016 was 1.13° Celsius. That makes it the hottest January on record (the previous record was 0.95° C in 2007). But there’s more: 1.13° is the largest anomaly for any month since records began in 1880. There have only been monthly anomalies greater than 1°C three times before in recorded history, and those three were all from last year. The farther back in the past you go, the lower the anomalies are on average.A lot of deniers will say this is a statistical fluctuation; sometimes things are just hotter. That is utter baloney. If that were true, you’d expect just as many record cold days/months/years as warm ones. Two Australian scientists looked into this and found record hot and cold days were about even … until the 1960s, then hot days started outpacing cold ones, and from 2000 to 2014 record heat outnumbered record cold by a factor of 12 to 1.http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/02/17/january_2016_was_the_hottest_january_on_record.html?wpisrc=burger_bar psik
Sorry for the delays, got a building project going on. I wasn’t sure where you were coming from on the other metals and I wanted to wait and see what Lausten came up with. The metals was the Achilles heel for the Geysers. Cinnabar deposits covers the areas of the high heat. Over one third of all the mercury mined in the United States has comes from the area. Years ago, when the Chinese were being stopped from working in California, they were allowed to work in the cinnabar mines in the Geyser area. This was because it was killing the miners and it was hard to find workers. I worked at the Geyser drilling test wells. At the time we had over twelve years of building new generating plants already blueprinted and our drilling results provided over twenty years of new building to be engineered. The Geysers was already the largest and most productive geothermal plant in the world at the time.
Today if you read about the Geysers geothermal, it will tell you that they ran out of water and they had to shut down the field. It still operates, but only as a shadow of what it once was. The Russian River has more than enough water for the Geysers. What is missing from the data is the facts about the mercury.
The Geysers resort was old western type of buildings that was quite old. It was a major hippy spot on the West Coast and very likely the top hippy spot in the world when you look at living places for hippies. During the summer it was like Woodstock but with much more nudity. The first time I saw the Geysers I thought it was a nudist colony. People lived in buses, campers, tents, teepees and just anything they could put together. The big swimming pools of different temperature, the steam caves, the mud ponds, and everything else of the resort was in operation. Some people were even living in the old cinnabar mine shafts. Some of the hills were very bright red in color from the cinnabar deposits. Steam was coming from some of the deposits and I was able to collect mercury that had puddled at the cinnabar deposits and in the mine shafts.
Today there is not one building. The area has been covered over with dirt and you could drive by it without ever knowing there was ever anything there. At the time I went to the Geysers you could buy chemistry toy sets with mercury. There was also the problem of deformed babies being born to hippies across the country. The only common factor was they all had smoked marijuana. And it is still a fear in some of the Bible belt areas that if you smoke marijuana you can have deformed babies. Deformed babies did not set well with the Christian mothers and the Christian movement got tough marijuana laws passed. All this happen in spite of the fact that marijuana has been used to help with child birth for a long time and is still used for that purpose today in some countries.
In connecting global warming. Geothermal energy is clean - if you stay away from cinnabar deposits. And the footprint is small. The battle for vase amount of new energy at the time was geothermal vs. nuclear. Note that the big size of the coal deposits in Wyoming had not been discovered yet and the Douglas gas plants were not built to handle the natural gas from the Highlight oil fields in Wyoming either. Nuclear won the battle by claiming it was the clean energy source. It takes seven to twelve years to build a geothermal operation. A big investment with no return for a long time. What we were hoping for was the government to help develop the geothermal drilling technology. If the drilling technology was developed then you could drill down anywhere on earth and collect heat. The problem is that with today’s technology there are very few spots of high heat that can be drilled. The Geysers today is not even a high heat area where they are processing the heat. The technology problem is that when you drill deep, the earth is more plastic than solid. And the hole will seal itself closed. Even at the Geysers we had to use reamers that we called hole openers on the drill line to keep the hole big enough that we could remove the drill pipe.
Recap. The Geysers had many generating plants in full operation. The runoff and steam releases from the plants had contaminated the Geysers area with mercury. The harm of mercury was not yet understood by the public. Wall Street and investors saw the Geysers operation as a model for geothermal power and as a contender for the future energy needs of America. The goal for Magna was to shut down the Geysers and move to Imperial Valley without the public ever knowing about the mercury problem. The shutdown worked, the public never caught on about the mercury. And how could you prove that the mercury contamination was not natural with the high heat wells shut down now?
Today if you compare the very small operation in Imperial Valley which would have been on the same power grid with the San Onofre Nuclear plant. The results compared to the costs of San Onofre are obvious that had the government backed the geothermal, it would have been the best choice for America.
Point being, American energy policies are very political in methods of evolving.
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Point being, American energy policies are very political in methods of evolving.No doubt, who's the biggest villein is the point of question. While looking up "The Geysers" among the interesting tidbits came across:
Why are there so many earthquakes in the Geysers area in Northern California? http://www.usgs.gov/faq/categories/9827/3374 Seismicity at The Geysers was poorly documented when power generation commenced in the 1960's, but since 1975 high-quality seismic monitoring data has been available, and it has been demonstrated that increased steam production and fluid injection correlates positively with changes in earthquake activity. The level of seismicity has been fairly stable since the mid-1980s, even though power production has declined in the field with the depletion of the steam reservoirs. Sheet 3 of Seismicity map of Santa Rosa, California 1969-1995 illustrates how seismicity has spatially and temporally expanded with geothermal production. Seismologists have proposed several mechanisms to explain why earthquakes are being induced. The operators of the geothermal field are withdrawing mass (steam boiled from water) and heat, both of which cause the surrounding rock to contract, which in turn can induce earthquakes as a result of the contractional stresses. In addition, the operators condense the extracted steam and flow the water back into the steam reservoir at depths of one to three km in order to extend the life of the field. Furthermore, reclaimed water from nearby Lake County and Santa Rosa is pumped to The Geysers and flowed into the steam reservoir. The condensed steam and reclaimed water is cold, whereas the rock is hot, and it appears that this thermal contrast is a significant factor in inducing the earthquakes. It is also possible that the hydraulic pressure of the injected fluid finds its way into faults and facilitates fracturing due to increased fluid pressures. To date, the largest quake recorded at The Geysers is approximately M4.5. It is possible that a magnitude 5 could occur, but larger earthquakes are thought to be unlikely. ...
The gold cases was in Imperial Valley. And it never really was about the gold. It was about holding up the work in Imperial Valley until the direction of America’s new energy policies was nuclear. You are right, the gold was just nothing to do with nothing when it comes to energy. At the time Magna Power was trying to figure out how to rid itself of the Geysers operation and replace it with Imperial Valley.Except the case didn't hold up anything. They were never prevented from continuing with geothermal power generation, only from extracting minerals. You got to ask yourself, how can they stop from “extracting minerals" when the minerals are in the steam? And you are right, the wells that were at Imperial Valley continued to operate. And there were very few operational wells at the time. It was more likely a loss in cost to keep just a few wells in operation. The problem was that the new building and the funding for large scale operations was put on hold because if the government ruled that geothermal steam was a mineral, then the companies had no mineral rights. Remember the wells that were in operation were not high heat wells. The new investment wells were going to go after the high heat. But they didn't rule that. They ruled the steam was not a mineral. I don't have to ask myself anything else.
You got to ask yourself, how can they stop from “extracting minerals" when the minerals are in the steam? And you are right, the wells that were at Imperial Valley continued to operate. And there were very few operational wells at the time. It was more likely a loss in cost to keep just a few wells in operation. The problem was that the new building and the funding for large scale operations was put on hold because if the government ruled that geothermal steam was a mineral, then the companies had no mineral rights. Remember the wells that were in operation were not high heat wells. The new investment wells were going to go after the high heat.Actually the question I'm asking myself is that although I understand gold is collected and concentrated through hydrothermo vents, molecule by molecule over eons of time. When it comes to the piping of hydrothermo steam for, turbines and power production - How much would accumulate? Would it be worth it? And though a couple times I've tried surfing google to see if it could provide any independent corroborating information I'm coming up snake-eyes.
You got to ask yourself, how can they stop from “extracting minerals" when the minerals are in the steam? And you are right, the wells that were at Imperial Valley continued to operate. And there were very few operational wells at the time. It was more likely a loss in cost to keep just a few wells in operation. The problem was that the new building and the funding for large scale operations was put on hold because if the government ruled that geothermal steam was a mineral, then the companies had no mineral rights. Remember the wells that were in operation were not high heat wells. The new investment wells were going to go after the high heat.Actually the question I'm asking myself is that although I understand gold is collected and concentrated through hydrothermo vents, molecule by molecule over eons of time. When it comes to the piping of hydrothermo steam for, turbines and power production - How much would accumulate? Would it be worth it? And though a couple times I've tried surfing google to see if it could provide any independent corroborating information I'm coming up snake-eyes.
Where does gold come from? Gold is made when neutron stars collide. Gold we mine from the Earth's crust was brought here by meteorites. Since the 1880s, South Africa has been the source for a large proportion of the world's gold supply. About 50% of the gold mined has come from South Africa.http://www.bing.com/search?q=where+des+gold+come+from&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=4ec69656e23f48c4947825d4b8e69369&pq=where+des+gold+come+from&sc=8-24&sp;=-1&qs=n&sk;=&ghc=1&cvid=4ec69656e23f48c4947825d4b8e69369
Why would we look for gold on earth?It too difficult and expensive to mine in space. :cheese:
Where does gold come from? Gold is made when neutron stars collide. Gold we mine from the Earth's crust was brought here by meteorites.We are star dust. But, I think supernovas do it too, regular stars stop creating new elements at Iron. "meteorites" is a bit misleading - most it came from the stellar cloud that condensed into planets way long ago.
Why would we look for gold on earth?It too difficult and expensive to mine in space. :cheese: Given the cost benefit, that could change very soon. Watching that probe land on moving comet was pretty incredible. Right up there with watching Neil what's his name, taking one long leap, or was it step, or one step on the moon, no moon wasn't in there. Well, these guys seem to remember, fast forward to 12 minutes.]
Why would we look for gold on earth?It too difficult and expensive to mine in space. :cheese: Given the cost benefit, that could change very soon. Watching that probe land on moving comet was pretty incredible. Right up there with watching Neil what's his name, taking one long leap, or was it step, or one step on the moon, no moon wasn't in there. Well, these guys seem to remember, fast forward to 12 minutes.] The problem is that gold is not an earth element and originally came from stars gone nova and arrived on earth from space. That's why we can find it in abundance only in a few select areas on earth. It takes a super nova or a collision from neutron stars to make gold.