Lois, I think you are being too harsh and jumping to conclusions.Oh, is that what she is doing? :lol: psik
Does this qualify as a climate phenomenon?
But that’s not all — a new study, just out Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, indicates that the Arctic Ocean is also becoming more acidic, another consequence caused by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. It’s a process that occurs when carbon dioxide dissolves out of the air and into the sea, lowering the water’s pH in the process. Scientists believe acidification is occurring at varying rates all over the world. But this week’s study gives researchers renewed cause to worry about the Arctic, suggesting that a large — and increasing — swath of the ocean may have reached a level that’s dangerous for some marine organisms. The new research focuses on the water concentrations of a mineral called aragonite, which is a form of calcium carbonate, a chemical compound that plankton, shellfish and even deep-sea corals use to build their hard outer shells. When ocean water becomes more acidic, chemical reactions occur that impede the formation of calcium carbonate and lower its concentration in the water, which can be a major threat for these marine animals.Scientists just measured a rapid growth in acidity in the Arctic ocean, linked to climate change https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/27/scientists-just-measured-a-rapid-growth-in-acidity-in-the-arctic-ocean-linked-to-climate-change/
Does this qualify as a climate phenomenon?Guess most would say that's not climate it's just the other CO2 problem. You can share this with the next brain dead malicious idiot Republican that tells you CO2 is not a pollutant. and that Trump is great.But that’s not all — a new study, just out Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, indicates that the Arctic Ocean is also becoming more acidic, another consequence caused by greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. It’s a process that occurs when carbon dioxide dissolves out of the air and into the sea, lowering the water’s pH in the process. Scientists believe acidification is occurring at varying rates all over the world. But this week’s study gives researchers renewed cause to worry about the Arctic, suggesting that a large — and increasing — swath of the ocean may have reached a level that’s dangerous for some marine organisms. The new research focuses on the water concentrations of a mineral called aragonite, which is a form of calcium carbonate, a chemical compound that plankton, shellfish and even deep-sea corals use to build their hard outer shells. When ocean water becomes more acidic, chemical reactions occur that impede the formation of calcium carbonate and lower its concentration in the water, which can be a major threat for these marine animals.Scientists just measured a rapid growth in acidity in the Arctic ocean, linked to climate change https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/27/scientists-just-measured-a-rapid-growth-in-acidity-in-the-arctic-ocean-linked-to-climate-change/
The solution to Climate Change:
Trump’s Budget Slashes Climate Change Funding
The budget would end programs to lower domestic greenhouse gas emissions, slash diplomatic efforts to slow climate change and cut scientific missions to study the climate. "It's terrible from the perspective of having any concern at all about climate change," says Andrew Light, a senior fellow at the World Resources Institute's climate program and a professor at George Mason University. "They can cut the funding, but climate change is real and we're going to have to deal with it," says Chris McEntee, director of the American Geophysical Union. "Slashing this kind of funding is not going to assist in building the resiliency to climate and the impacts of climate change that this country needs."We don't have to deal with it. We can just sit back and let it deal with us. :lol: psik
Came across this cool video today Dr. Trenbeth discussing temperature data and the faux hiatus. It’s fascinating listening to a real scientist.
What’s so saddening is that such a conscientious serious accurate professional was so easily be trashed, still is within the echo-chamber.
Published on Dec 3, 2013 Kevin Trenbeth, National Center for Atmospheric Research, delivers a lecture entitled, "Ocean Heat Uptake: The Apparent Hiatus in Global Warming and Climate Sensitivity" during YCEI's conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agKayS6h6xA 19:40, listen carefully...Those interested in learning about this stuff here's a good man to listen to.
Climate Change in the Arctic and Model Projections (2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqxbU9zOKgE Published on May 22, 2017 This video with scope on permafrost melting, highlights some of the new developments of our understandings, of what happens in the Arctic due to global warming.But does anyone care?
Climate Change is going to stop because Trump is having information about it deleted from government web sites.
It is called sympathetic magic.
Nothing changing, bitch, bitch and more bitching. Still you’re only solution is to throw money you don’t have at trying to fix a problem you don’t understand. The thread is about “climate models", is there a clue where we are at today with the climate models? Or does anyone really care except the real scientists about the climate models? http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/new-york-times-wall-street-journal/2017/05/15/id/790132/
Thank god trump is scaling back funds on the papers for cash science. Ten thousand papers per year, yet all we need is one that has the solution that is workable.
Nothing changing, bitch, bitch and more bitching. Still you’re only solution is to throw money you don’t have at trying to fix a problem you don’t understand. The thread is about “climate models", is there a clue where we are at today with the climate models? Or does anyone really care except the real scientists about the climate models? http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/new-york-times-wall-street-journal/2017/05/15/id/790132/ Thank god trump is scaling back funds on the papers for cash science. Ten thousand papers per year, yet all we need is one that has the solution that is workable.The scientists do science. Policy makers are supposed to come up with solutions. And you are contradicting yourself again. Have you forgotten all the times you've posted that we need more data? Now you're saying we need fewer studies. Make up your mind.
Nothing changing, bitch, bitch and more bitching. Still you’re only solution is to throw money you don’t have at trying to fix a problem you don’t understand. The thread is about “climate models", is there a clue where we are at today with the climate models? Or does anyone really care except the real scientists about the climate models? http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/new-york-times-wall-street-journal/2017/05/15/id/790132/ Thank god trump is scaling back funds on the papers for cash science. Ten thousand papers per year, yet all we need is one that has the solution that is workable.The scientists do science. Policy makers are supposed to come up with solutions. And you are contradicting yourself again. Have you forgotten all the times you've posted that we need more data? Now you're saying we need fewer studies. Make up your mind. You won't get any consistency from the intellectual equivalent of noise. The fact that he's a supporter of the greatest example of that in American history is stark evidence of how meaningless people like this are. The evidence is clear and has been for decades that human forced climate change is real and getting more serious with every passing day. Anti-evidence contrarians like Trump and his supporters are opposed to real change because it threatens their upside down world where they can make up "facts" at will. We have all the means at our disposal to begin replacing fossil fuels today, we've been in that situation for over a half century. https://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/programs/energy-and-climate/the-passion-of-alvin-weinberg
When four top climate scientists released a letter last November urging the expansion of safe nuclear power to fight climate change, the world took note. But few people realize that more than 40 years previously, and a decade before James Hansen’s high-profile testimony before Congress, one of America’s leading nuclear engineers was speaking out on the looming prospect of global warming. Alvin Weinberg spent much of his early career pushing for his thorium-fueled, molten salt nuclear reactor design – much to the chagrin of the industry – but when the government abandoned it, he began to broadly advocate nuclear power as a way to provide abundant electricity for an energy-hungry world and wean the US off fossil fuels. It took 40 years, but a new generation of engineers concerned about climate change is rediscovering Weinberg and his design. That the Chinese government has invested $350 million in a new molten-salt project shows just how significant Weinberg’s impact has been on the broader development of nuclear.There is a nuclear power reactor design available that solves most of the issues with PWRs/BWRs and uses a fuel source as abundant as the element lead. This in coordination with all other renewables would soon totally replace all fossil fuels. With catalytic processes like thermal depolymerization and synthetic diesel fuel we don't even need to phase out internal combustion engines. Instead liars and thieves like Trump and those who support him are forcing us on the path to destruction because their egos can't deal with change that benefits anyone but themselves. All the evidence is there both in how catastrophic climate change already is and how much worse it will get in coming years. And how ample the alternatives are that are ready to be implemented now or in a few years. Instead we're being forced to keep investing billions of dollars on the worst options because a few psychopaths are in positions of power.
There’s a reason that in 2007 the US Supreme Court decided in favor of the states that wanted the EPA to restrict the emissions of carbon dioxide, because the vast amount of evidence supports the fact that human emitted CO2 is a pollutant.
Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency, 549 U.S. 497 (2007),[1] is a 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court case in which twelve states and several cities of the United States brought suit against the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to force that federal agency to regulate carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases (GHGs) as pollutants.Now the US is saddled with a president that doesn't even recognize the US Constitution, he certainly isn't concerned with anything as facts based as climate change science. The only thing that Trump and those who support him - like Mike Yohe here - are asserting consistently is a profound contempt for other people. Due to the profound damage they would have done to other people simply because they must certainly lack a conscience. Trump scores higher than Hitler on the psychopath scale. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/08/22/donald-trump-outscores-hitler-on-psychopathic-traits-test-claims/ I'm guessing that people who think he's wonderful score well up there as well. Do we really want psychopaths making decisions for us all that will determine if we even have a future. It's like going out on a date with Ted Bundy with the full knowledge he's going to kill you when you get back to his place.
The only thing that Trump and those who support him - like Mike Yohe here - are asserting consistently is a profound contempt for other people. Due to the profound damage they would have done to other people simply because they must certainly lack a conscience.Yeah, they don't care that millions of people will lose their health insurance coverage if Trump gets his way. The don't care that the Russians helped Trump win the election. They don't care that Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. They don't care that Trump and the Republicans are gleefully destroying the world environment so the rich can get tax cuts. I understand the attraction of this evil to those in power. They get more money and more power. I will never understand why other people, such as Yohe, support these immoral criminals. They're traitors and murderers. They take joy in ruining people's lives through the policies while enriching themselves and their friends. Sadly, 60 million Americans are stupid enough to vote for them.
You have pretty much said it all. There is nothing I can add that can demonstrate your level of understanding of how the world works than your own words. You have done a great job at getting your point across. From Hitler to health care when it comes to talking about computer models, just what Larry Bell was talking about. Thanks guys.
Yeah, they don't care that millions of people will lose their health insurance coverage if Trump gets his way. The don't care that the Russians helped Trump win the election. They don't care that Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. They don't care that Trump and the Republicans are gleefully destroying the world environment so the rich can get tax cuts. I understand the attraction of this evil to those in power. They get more money and more power. I will never understand why other people, such as Yohe, support these immoral criminals. They're traitors and murderers. They take joy in ruining people's lives through the policies while enriching themselves and their friends. Sadly, 60 million Americans are stupid enough to vote for them.What Trump says is true about 5% of the time. Everything else is heading towards a bald face lie with no truth to it at all, something Trump utters about 16% of the time. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ That's Trump true skill, the ability to lie with no remorse. Because he lacks the ability to feel remorse or anything for anyone else besides himself. He the poster boy for the culture of greed that is rapidly engulfing all our lives. And no where do we see that more than in his efforts to deny climate change and the role fossil fuels play in making it a growing catastrophe.
Trump embodies everything wrong with American capitalism. Yohe embodies everything wrong with low information American voters.
Trump embodies everything wrong with American capitalism. Yohe embodies everything wrong with low information American voters.Either that or he knows what the actual facts are and wants to create as much damage in the world as he can. With all the information that has been presented that complete debunks Yohe he still comes back with the same BS. Either he is incapable of processing information or he's a psychopath and thinks that catastrophic climate change that has the potential to kill everybody on the planet as well as most species currently alive is wonderful. https://skepticalscience.com/Lee-commentary-on-Burgess-et-al-PNAS-Permian-Dating.html
For years the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction has been linked to massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia. Volcanic CO2 and a cocktail of noxious gasses combined with burning coal and geothermally-baked methane emissions to enact a combination of toxic effects and, most importantly, ocean acidification and global warming. It led to a world where equatorial regions and the tropics were too hot for complex life to survive. That’s a fact so astonishing it bears repeating: global warming led to a large portion of planet Earth being lethally hot on land and in the oceans! The cascading extinctions in ecosystems across the planet unfolded over 61,000 years, and it took 10 million years for the planet to recover! For comparison, our distant ancestors separated from apes only 7 million years ago. Until recently the scale of the Permian Mass Extinction was seen as just too massive, its duration far too long, and dating too imprecise for a sensible comparison to be made with today’s climate change. No longer. In “High-precision timeline for Earth’s most severe extinction," published in PNAS on February 10, authors Seth Burgess, Samuel Bowring, and Shu-zhong Shen employed new dating techniques on Permian-Triassic rocks in China, bringing unprecedented precision to our understanding of the event. They have dramatically shortened the timeframe for the initial carbon emissions that triggered the mass extinction from roughly 150,000 years to between 2,100 and 18,800 years. This new timeframe is crucial because it brings the timescale of the Permian Extinction event’s carbon emissions shorter by two orders of magnitude, into the ballpark of human emission rates for the first time.
Burgess et al’s paper brings the Permian into line with many other global-warming extinction events, like the Triassic, the Toarcian, the Cretaceous Ocean Anoxic Events, The PETM, and the Columbia River Basalts, whose time frames have been progressively reduced as more sophisticated dating has been applied to them. They all produced the same symptoms as today’s climate change – rapid global warming, ocean acidification, and sea level rises, together with oxygen-less ocean dead zones and extinctions. They were all (possibly excluding the PETM - see below) triggered by rare volcanic outpourings called “Large Igneous Provinces," (LIPs) that emitted massive volumes of CO2 and methane at rates comparable to today’s emissions. The PETM may also have been triggered by a LIP, although that is still debated. Can we seriously expect Earth’s climate to behave differently today than it did at all those times in the past?Business as usual burning fossil fuels will eventually cause catastrophic change on the same scale as the worst extinction events in the Earth's history, something like that would be an incredible turn on for some psychopaths.
I’ll give Yohe the benefit of the doubt and believe he is simply incapable of processing information. As evidence I point to all the times he has contradicted himself and posted stuff he makes up with no information to back his views. Do you remember when he said he has stacks of books in a garage somewhere to back one of his claims?
DougC your progressivism seems to me to be none existent when you are trying to deal with the subject of climate change. I guess you could be called “anchoring bias" or at the very least having a bias blind spot. It would be nice if you could get passed wanting everyone to be at your level of thinking and catch up with the rest of us. Remember we are just spectators watching this world event puzzle come together. Here is one of the latest pieces. Research in Russia challenges widely held understanding of past climate history I think this is very important because we need to test the datum points in the data that the computer models produce. If we don’t understand what is right or wrong how will we know when the models are working correctly? This is a very big change in the standard thinking of past climate and I would bet against it holding water over time. But it does show how far we have yet to go before we understand the basics of our past climate.
The publisher is Nature Geoscience a peer-reviewed scientific Journal. The author is a Ph.D. student Jonathan Baker. Baker a Russian scientist working with the University of Nevada also worked with Victor Polyak from the University of New Mexico on this story.
I'll give Yohe the benefit of the doubt and believe he is simply incapable of processing information. As evidence I point to all the times he has contradicted himself and posted stuff he makes up with no information to back his views. Do you remember when he said he has stacks of books in a garage somewhere to back one of his claims?I blocked him long ago for sanity's sake. I think he plays the same moving goal post games all the climate change deniers do, they don't care about consistency and accuracy, they just want to create as much chaos on this subject as they can in the interests of blocking any meaningful mitigation of what is already the largest catastrophe in human history. We've already had one Canadian city burn up due to climate change and it's going to just get worse till total collapse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_Wildfire I think someone does have to be a psychopath to play around at all with this profound crisis. And Yohe is all games on this subject...
Doug, do you know anything about computer models?