What Dr. Holdren does not have is your magical ball, your statement - “All the while, there are humans on Earth right now experiencing some of the hottest temperatures humans have ever been subjected to but it don’t mean a thing to your type, ensconced in you hermetically sealed echo-chambers." As modern humans are now again going to the peak of the Milankovitch Cycle. How do you know that this cycle is hotter than any time in the human past? Carrie Morrill of the National Climatic Data Center explains, "You'd have to go back to the last interglacial [warm period between ice ages] about 125,000 years ago to find temperatures significantly higher than temperatures of today." https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately" So, who do I believe Carrie Morrill or you? I pick Carrie. Not only did humans live in time of higher temperatures, but “significantly higher" temperatures. I guess I have a lot of good company with me in this hermetically sealed echo-chambers you vision in your mind.Hmmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens According to genetic and fossil evidence, archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago, with members of one branch leaving Africa by 60,000 years ago and over time replacing earlier human populations such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus. What's your point? What did I get wrong? Your seem to literally entertain some notion that temps might level or go down, that is shear insanity. The CO2 is up there at 400ppm, temperatures are surely following, Of course could be that in your worldview some super duper god has the ability to do anything and if he want to, he could go poof and all will reverse, no matter how much greenhouse gases are in our atmosphere. (Nope we're in the real world and locked into substantially higher temperatures. Excuse me that I made a rough estimate, and that it may not have been spot on. Then again, lets explore and see what information is out there) It doesn't work that way in the real world. And you seem to have contempt for anyone who tells you, your real world is hollow, empty, superficial, no substance. But that's how it is and we have your broken record of repetitive recycling of dead ideas. but it don't matter to you, your faith is more important than the world around you. wish i had time for more but gotta run
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately" So, who do I believe Carrie Morrill or you? I pick Carrie. Not only did humans live in time of higher temperatures, but “significantly higher" temperatures. I guess I have a lot of good company with me in this hermetically sealed echo-chambers you vision in your mind.You say you believe Carrie Morrill, but you are kidding yourself. If you did, this would concern you quite a bit. In fact any rational person would be alarmed
http://theconversation.com/the-last-time-earth-was-this-hot-hippos-lived-in-britain-thats-130-000-years-ago-53398
Your seem to literally entertain some notion that temps might level or go down, that is shear insanity.Just looking at the some of the data. The Jumps are not seen in every cycle. But, then it only takes one. I would just like to understand them a little more. Abrupt climate changes have been variously defined either simply as large changes within less than 30 years (Clark et al., 2002), or in a physical sense, as a threshold transition or a response that is rapid compared to forcing (Rahmstorf, 2001; Alley et al., 2003). Overpeck and Trenberth (2004) noted that not all abrupt changes need to be externally forced. Numerous terrestrial, ice and oceanic climatic records show that large, widespread, abrupt climate changes have occurred repeatedly throughout the past glacial interval (see review by Rahmstorf, 2002). High-latitude records show that ice age abrupt temperature events were larger and more widespread than were those of the Holocene. The most dramatic of these abrupt climate changes were the Dansgaard-Oeschger (D-O) events, characterised by a warming in Greenland of 8°C to 16°C within a few decades (see Severinghaus and Brook, 1999; Masson-Delmotte et al., 2005a for a review) followed by much slower cooling over centuries. Another type of abrupt change were the Heinrich events; characterised by large discharges of icebergs into the northern Atlantic leaving diagnostic drop-stones in the ocean sediments (Hemming, 2004). In the North Atlantic, Heinrich events were accompanied by a strong reduction in sea surface salinity (Bond et al., 1993), as well as a sea surface cooling on a centennial time scale. Such ice age cold periods lasted hundreds to thousands of years, and the warming that ended them took place within decades (Figure 6.7; Cortijo et al., 1997; Voelker, 2002). At the end of the last glacial, as the climate warmed and ice sheets melted, climate went through a number of abrupt cold phases, notably the Younger Dryas and the 8.2 ka event.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a citation regarding an ice age happening in 20 years. Holden was part of a group that predicted an ice age by 2020, but that was back in 1971. We have more data and better computer models now, and the models that show we'd be sliding into an ice age in the next few millennia show how much impact our carbon emissions are having on the climate.Not to mention the various Clean Air Acts around the world that reversed the amount of aerosols we were injecting into our atmosphere, which in turn allowed more of the sun's energetic rays into Earth's climate system. Peter Sinclair does a good job of reviewing the history of the science, observations, and the role of media distorting that science.
In the 70s, They said there'd be an Ice Age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3S0fnOr0MHoldren was also concerned about our population explosion. It amazes me when I see him being attacked for those views, as though we aren't seeing what he was warning about. Or to put it more bluntly as though we aren't blindly rushing into a malthusian nightmare with increasing speed these days. Society, humanity, we ourselves would all be much better off had we taken our Earth's limitations more seriously, back in them wonderful 70s, and thereafter. :down: instead we got on this consumptive roller coaster slide into towards living hell. Am I exaggerating? All depends, if those news stories I hear from China, and India, and that Middle East hell hole, not to mention Africa and South America are all fabrications, figments of the hundreds of editor's imagination, then perhaps. Then again, I think what's being reported on is plenty real, if not always 100% accurate. The real news, no one wants to admit to, is that what's happening way over there is creeping toward us. Many growing millions are suffering from lost crops, lakes and seas that are no longer fishable, stifling heat that desiccates everything, freakishly intense rain storms with destructive floods in towns and fields alike, not to mention the hurricanes that, on average, are getting more powerful. Or the increasing "nuisances flooding" that turns into unheard of storm surges with the roll of the dice, that are getting increasingly loaded. Yet we have an entire political party, yes the Republican dedicated to denying all of it. They back up their denial with a self-created alternate universe inhabited by faux scholars and presumptuous talkers who think they are smarter than actual experts who have dedicated their lives to studying and better understanding our Earth. Folks who see all opposing information, or opinion, as an enemy to be vanquished by any means necessary.
Climate change increases the risk of war, scientists prove
Kill enough people to reduce the population to alleviate the problems. Simple!
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Climate change increases the risk of war, scientists prove http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-war-risk-increase-syria-isis-heatwave-drought-a7155401.html Kill enough people to reduce the population to alleviate the problems. Simple! psikYes, it's a perfect example of Natural Selection vs Evolution and growth. When natural limits are exceeded in any way, the system will correct itself. Humans are the only species capable of artificially extending life which creates an unnatural imbalance in the ecosystem, which can be seen in the accelerated rate of extinction or migration of the larger mammals and that includes us. Prof. Bartlett explained this dilemma clearly in his lecture on the Exponential function. Consider that just a 1% increase in population, results in a doubling time of just 70 years, which the earth cannot sustain. Everything we consider to be good for humans actually makes the problem worse and what we consider to be bad, actually relieves the problem.
Climate change increases the risk of war, scientists prove http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-war-risk-increase-syria-isis-heatwave-drought-a7155401.html Kill enough people to reduce the population to alleviate the problems. Simple! psikYes, it's a perfect example of Natural Selection vs Evolution and growth. When natural limits are exceeded in any way, the system will correct itself. Humans are the only species capable of artificially extending life which creates an unnatural imbalance in the ecosystem, which can be seen in the accelerated rate of extinction or migration of the larger mammals and that includes us. Prof. Bartlett explained this dilemma clearly in his lecture on the Exponential function. Consider that just a 1% increase in population, results in a doubling time of just 70 years, which the earth cannot sustain. Everything we consider to be good for humans actually makes the problem worse and what we consider to be bad, actually relieves the problem.Don't that put it in a nutshell.
Happy New Planet!
Once in a thousand years flood will happen every decade.
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Happy New Planet!ditto 'The blob': how marine heatwaves are causing unprecedented climate chaos
A field born in the death of a forest It was in the study of a marine heatwave in south-west Australia that the term was coined just five years ago. In a report that still used the term “marine heatwave" in scare quotes, scientists from the West Australian department of fisheries found the heatwave off the state’s coast was “a major temperature anomaly superimposed on the underlying long-term ocean-warming trend". That year, the researchers found, Western Australia had an unprecedented surge of hot water along its coast. Surface temperatures were up to 5C higher than the usual seasonal temperature. The pool of warm water stretched more than 1,500km from Ningaloo to the southern tip of the continent at Cape Leeuwin, and it extended more than 200km offshore. Unlike a terrestrial heatwave that will normally last a couple of weeks at most, this persisted for more than 10 weeks. But five years later the full impact of that marine heatwave have are beginning to be more fully understood.https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/15/the-blob-how-marine-heatwaves-are-causing-unprecedented-climate-chaos The Dangers of Climate Change Aren’t Coming: They’re Already Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8LQHUa9VIg psik
Happy New Planet!ditto 'The blob': how marine heatwaves are causing unprecedented climate chaos
A field born in the death of a forest It was in the study of a marine heatwave in south-west Australia that the term was coined just five years ago. In a report that still used the term “marine heatwave" in scare quotes, scientists from the West Australian department of fisheries found the heatwave off the state’s coast was “a major temperature anomaly superimposed on the underlying long-term ocean-warming trend". That year, the researchers found, Western Australia had an unprecedented surge of hot water along its coast. Surface temperatures were up to 5C higher than the usual seasonal temperature. The pool of warm water stretched more than 1,500km from Ningaloo to the southern tip of the continent at Cape Leeuwin, and it extended more than 200km offshore. Unlike a terrestrial heatwave that will normally last a couple of weeks at most, this persisted for more than 10 weeks. But five years later the full impact of that marine heatwave have are beginning to be more fully understood.https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/15/the-blob-how-marine-heatwaves-are-causing-unprecedented-climate-chaos The Dangers of Climate Change Aren’t Coming: They’re Already Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8LQHUa9VIg psik I agree and as has been said before, "human intelligence is a double edged sword".
July wins Olympic Gold!
Earth’s hottest month on record was July 2016: NASA
It is now virtually certain that 2016 will beat 2015 for the dubious distinction of the hottest year on record. NASA is not the only agency that tracks global temperatures, and its methods differ slightly from the others. If the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) also finds that July was the hottest such month on record and hottest month overall, it would mean that the past 15 months have each set records — an unprecedented feat in its database. Seasonal cycle of temperature anomalies showing July 2016 as the hottest month-to-date. Seasonal cycle of temperature anomalies showing July 2016 as the hottest month-to-date. Image: NASA GISS via Gavin Schmidt The heat in the past two years has been caused by human-caused climate change with a boost from an El Niño event, which has now faded. Yet the record heat, clearly, is continuing.http://mashable.com/2016/08/15/earth-hottest-month-july-2016/#0esHs4p4hGqF Yay!
This is interesting:
Engineering the Software for Understanding Climate Change
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This is interesting:Cool, no time now but will definitely view this later Thanks for sharing that. Hot off the press too. You're good. ;-PEngineering the Software for Understanding Climate Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIiW6ugLHL4 psikPublished on Sep 7, 2016 Climate scientists build large, complex simulations with little or no software engineering training, and do not readily adopt the latest software engineering tools and techniques. In this paper, we describe an ethnographic study of the culture and practices of climate scientists at the Met Office Hadley Centre. The study examined how the scientists think about software correctness, how they prioritize requirements, and how they develop a shared understanding of their models. The findings show that climate scientists have developed customized techniques for verification and validation that are tightly integrated into their approach to scientific research. Their software practices share many features of both agile and open source projects, in that they rely on self-organisation of the teams, extensive use of informal communication channels, and developers who are also users and domain experts. These comparisons offer insights into why such practices work.
Engineering the Software for Understanding Climate Change
Engineering the Software for Understanding Climate Change - YouTube
Steven Easterbrook gives the talk.
He’s a smart guy.
Steve Easterbrook | …and Then There's Physics
http://www.easterbrook.ca/steve/2013/02/how-big-is-the-climate-change-deficit/
What bugs me is this farce about solving climate problems while dealing with economics but pretending we can ignore Planned Obsolescence.
Then there is all this complicated math in climate science while the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods is not subtracted from anywhere.
Do the One Billion cars on the planet Depreciate? Did they get added to GDPs?
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What bugs me is this farce about solving climate problems while dealing with economics but pretending we can ignore Planned Obsolescence. Then there is all this complicated math in climate science while the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods is not subtracted from anywhere. Do the One Billion cars on the planet Depreciate? Did they get added to GDPs? psikNo arguing that.
And the beat goes on . . .
or follow on to Psik’s post.
Heatwaves in the ocean – a risk to ecosystems? 16.09.2016 | Zukunftsblog | Climate change By: Dr. Thomas Frölicher, ETH Zürich https://www.ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2016/09/heatwaves-in-the-ocean-a-risk-to-ecosystems.html Marine ecosystems are responsible for about half of global annual primary production and more than one billion people rely on fish as their primary protein source. Latest studies show that enormous warm water bubbles in the ocean are having a noticeable impact on ecosystems. How should we interpret these changes? ... Heatwaves in the Northeast Pacific... An unusually long-lasting warm water bubble – nicknamed ‘The Blob’ – spread across the surface of the Northeast Pacific from winter 2013/2014 to the end of 2015. [2] The warm water bubble at times measured up to 1,600 kilometres in diameter and had water temperatures of more than 3 degrees Celsius above the long-term average. Because warm surface water has a lower density than the cold deep water, the exchange of nutrient-rich deep water with warm surface water was reduced, especially along the west coast of North America. This had far-reaching consequences for marine organisms and ecosystems: ... A stronger but shorter heatwave hit Australia‘s west coast at the turn of the year 2010/2011, with sea temperatures of up to 6 degrees Celsius above normal levels for that time of year. The seabed along the coast of Western Australia is known for its high concentration of brown algae. These marine ‘kelp forests’ have similar functions as terrestrial forests: they provide habitat and food resource to numerous species; in particular a large number of fish. Australian researchers demonstrated that most of the kelp forest stocks rapidly disappeared during this heatwave. [3] In total, an area of 1,000 square kilometres of kelp forest was lost – this corresponds to twice the size of Lake Constance. Today, algae stocks haven‘t recovered yet. Instead, a new ecosystem with tropical fish and seaweeds has developed. Looking ahead Until recently, climate models were unable to accurately represent the relevant physical and biogeochemical processes to simulate extreme events in the ocean and predict future changes. The uncertainties in future projections, particularly at the regional scale, were simply too large. [4] New model simulations linking the global carbon and oxygen cycle with high-resolution physical processes now enable us to make quantitative predictions about the frequency, strength and spatial distribution of future extreme events in the ocean for the first time. And this is precisely what my scientific research focuses on. But in order to better understand the impact of these extreme events on individual organisms or entire ecosystems and their socioeconomic services, interdisciplinary collaborations are urgently needed. Research on understanding such events is only just beginning.If you're a brave soul you can look up oxygen dead zones. It's coming at us from all over and the clown like Breitbart, Delingpole and lesser fools, just get nastier and more deluded. :down:
What bugs me is this farce about solving climate problems while dealing with economics but pretending we can ignore Planned Obsolescence. Then there is all this complicated math in climate science while the Depreciation of Durable Consumer Goods is not subtracted from anywhere. Do the One Billion cars on the planet Depreciate? Did they get added to GDPs? psikYou know it's simpler than that. We realized in the 70s that we were facing a truly Faustian Bargain, over consumption, pollution and greenhouse gases driven warming would lead to cascading consequences that would lead to massive destruction of the ecosystems we depend on. It was all a question of timing. Learn to conserve, desire less, stretch out the budget, our planet would warm slower and we'd have more time to adapt. Think sustainability and husbanding our planet's natural resources, (wonders) and such lofty un-American thoughts. The solution was very simple less people, less consumption, learn to understand and respect our planet as the creator of all we have and need. Which she most definitely is, but you need to appreciation the pageant of evolution to appreciate that. http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/understanding-earth.html
Why we don't shift to Hemp farming is completely beyond my understanding. It is one of the few crops which is eco-friendly AND provides a remarkable versatility of practical uses as, a healthy foodsource, to fuel, to paper, to cloths, to building materials and as an EFFECTIVE CO2 sequestering method. If ever there was a sacred plant, it would be Hemp. We can now buy and smoke Pot, but we can't grow Hemp. It's illegal! Go figure.Blame it on the anti-drug nuts. Common sense never comes into it.
duh, yuh think?
New study reveals climate change affect future crops world
This constant big deal being made of oceans rising 20 feet is ridiculous compared to the probable food problems. The Statue of Liberty under water is just too photogenic.
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