Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment.
Can you disprove this?
Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite?
If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet?
Just think.
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Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.There really is little to think about since this argument doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you can draw some worth while conclusion from this, it's no use.
Please do not make substantially identical posts in different threads, nor start up substantially identical threads in different folders. This is against the rules. I have deleted the other thread you started.Doug, I seriously believe that the questions ask, are both philosophical and scientific in nature. Making note that the persons and answers that would be presented from philosophic and scientific standpoints could well be quite different, and involve completely different groups of persons, and that neither would be more important than the other, thus both are important to discussion. Thus I was not spamming, but asking for intellectual viewpoints from two different groups. That said, I do understand the forums need to control persons who would spam or intentionally over present one point of view. I am only trying to present the most stimulating ideas possible for discussion and present them to the best audiences, and for the most part an pleased with responses. So thank you for the opportunity to be a part of these forums. James.
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.There really is little to think about since this argument doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you can draw some worth while conclusion from this, it's no use. Well then, one could have said at one time, that travel to the moon was not possible, and that the effort would not get anyone anywhere, and in fact if those who designed the means to do so were as negative thinkers as you, we would still not have been there. Thus your negativity is not shared by those who are trying to leave our little speck in the cosmos, by understanding the information stored in our genes. Thus you live in a World where you say that it can not be done, I live in a World where it will be done, as I believe, that the DNA image of God, is what we are. Are you aware that DNA is being used as a biological hard drive, and that this is a link between your body and mechanical machines?
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.There really is little to think about since this argument doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you can draw some worth while conclusion from this, it's no use. Well then, one could have said at one time, that travel to the moon was not possible, and that the effort would not get anyone anywhere, and in fact if those who designed the means to do so were as negative thinkers as you, we would still not have been there. Thus your negativity is not shared by those who are trying to leave our little speck in the cosmos, by understanding the information stored in our genes. Thus you live in a World where you say that it can not be done, I live in a World where it will be done, as I believe, that the DNA image of God, is what we are. Are you aware that DNA is being used as a biological hard drive, and that this is a link between your body and mechanical machines? I don't say it cannot be done. It can be done but no useful conclusion can be drawn from it, so it's not an argument in favor of Intelligent Design by God, which your thread title suggests it is supposed to be.
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.There really is little to think about since this argument doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you can draw some worth while conclusion from this, it's no use. Well then, one could have said at one time, that travel to the moon was not possible, and that the effort would not get anyone anywhere, and in fact if those who designed the means to do so were as negative thinkers as you, we would still not have been there. Thus your negativity is not shared by those who are trying to leave our little speck in the cosmos, by understanding the information stored in our genes. Thus you live in a World where you say that it can not be done, I live in a World where it will be done, as I believe, that the DNA image of God, is what we are. Are you aware that DNA is being used as a biological hard drive, and that this is a link between your body and mechanical machines? I don't say it cannot be done. It can be done but no useful conclusion can be drawn from it, so it's not an argument in favor of Intelligent Design by God, which your thread title suggests it is supposed to be. It is an argument for intelligent design, what you need to resolve within yourself is that God in the typical terminology has NOTHING to do with MY view of ID. There needs to be a creator, the creator is you and I, though you will never create anything, because you believe that creation is not possible. Those who right now are trying to understand the code of genetics in order to create a 1000 point IQ human, who will be without disease are in fact creators. Speculation that a 1000IQ human are not out of the reach of possibility, but the number is irrelevant, DNA has now been proven to be a perfect media for storing modern binary code, and it could do so for at least tens of thousands of years. 1 gram of DNA currently can hold 700 terabytes. We still use exactly the same propulsion system for space flight that Robert Goddard used in the very first rocket. Change is happening, all we can do is our small part, to be part of the hand of creation. You are the creator! What will you choose to be a part of creating. http://www.wired.com/2013/01/dna-data-storage-2/ DNA was created as storage media, billions of years prior to the human understanding that DNA could be used as storage media. Argue all you wish, but science fact, is science fact.
It is an argument for intelligent design,At best it's an argument for intelligent design by humans. But we already know humans are intelligent designers, few doubt it, it's not interesting. And it's not useful because you can't go from that in an A to B fashion, you're just stuck at A) humans are intelligent designers.
It is an argument for intelligent design,At best it's an argument for intelligent design by humans. But we already know humans are intelligent designers, few doubt it, it's not interesting. And it's not useful because you can't go from that in an A to B fashion, you're just stuck at: A humans are intelligent designers. Wrong, the theory of evolution dictates, that if humanity deposited a group of living organisms on another planet, that would have been genetically engineered for that planets conditions, and that these organisms thrived, and someday evolved into self aware intelligent creatures that could ask the same questions that we are asking now, that humanity would have both fulfilled the current image of what God did and is, and that evolution is real. Thus the ideas are not separate at all, but evolution was designed in the first place, also what you are doing now, was predestined by your DNA, as DNA makes all reach out for understanding. You ignore that DNA is being used as a hard drive, and that this post itself could be stored on DNA one day......! IF you try and stop change, you will be crushed, or left behind with the negative thinkers.
Wrong, the theory of evolution dictates, that if humanity deposited a group of living organisms on another planet, that would have been genetically engineered for that planets conditions, and that these organisms thrived, and someday evolved into self aware intelligent creatures that could ask the same questions that we are asking now, that humanity would have both fulfilled the current image of what God did and is, and that evolution is real.So the above is your A) part of the argument
.... but evolution was designed in the first place,And this is your B) part, I've just left in the relevant bit. Now we can clearly see that B) in no way follows from A)
Wrong, the theory of evolution dictates, that if humanity deposited a group of living organisms on another planet, that would have been genetically engineered for that planets conditions, and that these organisms thrived, and someday evolved into self aware intelligent creatures that could ask the same questions that we are asking now, that humanity would have both fulfilled the current image of what God did and is, and that evolution is real.So the above is your A) part of the argument
.... but evolution was designed in the first place,And this is your B) part, I've just left in the relevant bit. Now we can clearly see that B) in no way follows from A) Einstein could clearly see that the Universe was not expanding, and included this ignorance in the theory of relativity. So if Einstein could be wrong, can you? Stop looking to the past, evolution did not happen, evolution is happening.
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.It is illogical to attempt to prove or disprove a prediction for the future of humanity. The natural portions of your prediction are possible, but the supernatural claims are irrelevant.
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.It is illogical to attempt to prove or disprove a prediction for the future of humanity. The natural portions of your prediction are possible, but the supernatural claims are irrelevant. What part do you view as supernatural? Would not walking on the moon once have been considered supernatural? and are there not still living people who deny that this ever happened, thus they consider a moon walk to be supernatural?
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.It is illogical to attempt to prove or disprove a prediction for the future of humanity. The natural portions of your prediction are possible, but the supernatural claims are irrelevant. What part do you view as supernatural? Would not walking on the moon once have been considered supernatural? and are there not still living people who deny that this ever happened, thus they consider a moon walk to be supernatural? That is not what supernatural refers to. Supernatural designates things that are not evident in the natural world, like gods, ghosts, aliens from outer space, etc. It means things "outside" of nature. A tenuous inference or interpretation of events is not evidence, it is just an opinion.
Einstein could clearly see that the Universe was not expanding, and included this ignorance in the theory of relativity. So if Einstein could be wrong, can you?I can be wrong, and you can be wrong. This is all about whether you have a good argument or not. At the moment you haven't shown how you get from A) to B) so you don't have a good argument.
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.It is illogical to attempt to prove or disprove a prediction for the future of humanity. The natural portions of your prediction are possible, but the supernatural claims are irrelevant. What part do you view as supernatural? Would not walking on the moon once have been considered supernatural? and are there not still living people who deny that this ever happened, thus they consider a moon walk to be supernatural? That is not what supernatural refers to. Supernatural designates things that are not evident in the natural world, like gods, ghosts, aliens from outer space, etc. It means things "outside" of nature. A tenuous inference or interpretation of events is not evidence, it is just an opinion. If the human race seeds a new World, they are the God of that World, so there goes that argument. Ghost, might just be something that is disguised in plain sight, a sort of camouflage that we do not understand. And you clearly have never been to area 52. I bet that you don't even believe that something like the transporter from Star Trek might be possible someday, would that be supernatural, when experiments in quantum teleportation are happening right now? http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4384 Sheesh, this might mean travel from the Earth To Mars could be at the speed of light, or even less as the speed here seems to be instantaneous. Is this supernatural too? You are a negative thinker, the people at NASA do not have time for such negativity.
Einstein could clearly see that the Universe was not expanding, and included this ignorance in the theory of relativity. So if Einstein could be wrong, can you?I can be wrong, and you can be wrong. This is all about whether you have a good argument or not. At the moment you haven't shown how you get from A) to B) so you don't have a good argument. And evolutionist have absolutely no explanation for the genesis of life, so you also have shown nothing. But billions of lines of computer like DNA code, could have written themselves in a pond, without any help from an intelligence, must be true if you say so, right?
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.No idea what that is supposed to mean. How does evolution make organisms "aware of the cosmos"? If there is a god and humans move to and survive on other planets the same god would have to have been involved and their survival would most likely be similar to the same evolutionary principles that are present on earth. Actually that would be the case whether there is a god or not. But I doubt that an omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe, if there is one, would be surprised or disturbed at how it all unfolds. LL
Einstein could clearly see that the Universe was not expanding, and included this ignorance in the theory of relativity. So if Einstein could be wrong, can you?I can be wrong, and you can be wrong. This is all about whether you have a good argument or not. At the moment you haven't shown how you get from A) to B) so you don't have a good argument. And evolutionist have absolutely no explanation for the genesis of life, so you also have shown nothing. Meanwile, theists present a completely baseless explanation. Is that better than admitting there is no rational explanation? But billions of lines of computer like DNA code, could have written themselves in a pond, without any help from an intelligence, must be true if you say so, right? If there is a god and an evolutionay universe requires that "billions of lines of computer like DNA code" be written, are you proposing that that would be too complicated for an omnipotent and omniscient creator to do? You say you believe in god, but you put limits on him when his omnipotence might interfere with your preconceived notions. That is even more irrational than belief in a creator god in the first place. LL
Can you prove, that the human race will not leave, the Earth as Europeans once left Europe for the new World of America, and colonize another planet. This colonization may well begin with the primitive life forms needed to begin an ecosystem, of which the organisms will evolve and adapt to their new environment. Can you disprove this? Is this logical, being that we know our planet is finite? If evolution is real, and those simple plants and animals evolved into an organism that is aware of the cosmos, would not humanity have acted as God for the organisms on this planet? Just think.No idea what that is supposed to mean. How does evolution make organisms "aware of the cosmos"? If there is a god and humans move to and survive on other planets the same god would have to have been involved and their survival would most likely be similar to the same evolutionary principles that are present on earth. Actually that would be the case whether there is a god or not. But I doubt that an omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe, if there is one, would be surprised or disturbed at how it all unfolds. LL Sheesh, I am only quoting evolutionist. The theory of evolution says that a single celled organism evolved into all organisms, including human beings that are aware of the cosmos at this point, what part of this eludes you? If humans move even plankton to another planet, and the theory of evolution is valid, then those plankton could evolve into humans or some other self aware of the cosmos life form someday, this is what your goofy theory predicts, this would also make the human race the God of that planet's life forms, what part of this eludes you? What I have done is moved this argument out of the dead past, and brought it into the present and future, where anything can happen.