Exactly how does that work?
Capture a part of global atmospheric conditions in a laboratory?
On the surface of earth there is no such thing as local conditions.
Remember the butterfy effect?
What are you smoking, and can I have some?
LOL.
Read Chaos theory and you’ll understand what I am talking about. The earth’s atmosphere is a chaotic system. There are no local conditions that can be controlled and used to affect global conditions in a meaningful way.
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Oh, I have. You are abusing its definition. Local experiments are necessary in order to rule out broader applications. Not every butterfly wing flap has a global consequence. A little common sense here, please.
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If we grant your limited interpretation, how big a local experiment would be sufficienty large to have global application?
Larger than the local, controlled, nontoxic experiment described here. This experiment is trivial, TRIVIAL, when compared to total transportation emissions in just one minute. You want to get excited about something? This experiment should not be in your top thousand.
What’s sarcastic?
We can’t solve a problem if we can’t even be honest enough to realistically recognize the problem.
What you propose comes out of a conviction that we can’t change our economic system and believing that the same frame of mind that got us mired into our current dead-end run, is going to save us from it.
Sadly I agree, that changing us is impossible. That’s the problem. See, I keep my finger on the pulse of Earth scientists, I also travel enough to see a lot of Americans, along with observing and listening to their priorities - for the haves, it’s all about the next party & cheap gas prices & bragging rights, with imaginations’ incapable of recognizing Earth as a complex - finite - entity we depend on - or even giving a fart.
Earth doesn’t care about our comfort, or survival, or state of mind - it simply reacts - it is us, forcing it to react as it is.
I believe you, at this point we can’t change our economic engine.
Meaning we are firmly entrapped by our road to our self-destruction.
Those links weren’t enough?
As for getting serious when I do that, no one wants to hear about it.
Here’s serious specific, a healthy sense of fatalism will become increasing important to maintaining one’s mental health.
That along with security in oneself, code word for, knowing oneself against the backdrop of this physical reality we exist within, and finding peace in that.
I believe we’re well past being able to save this biosphere we depend on. At this point what matters most to me is achieving a semblance of self-awareness and inner peace. Fortunately been working on that all my life and with the help of life, and faith in seek and ye shall find, principle, I’ve done pretty good on the important stuff.
Owning an awareness of being a biologically evolved, Earth bound animal, whose body/brain interacting with life, creates its own mind.
That is, we hear the echo of our body communicating with itself. (Dr. Solms)
Then working out from there, through a multi-dimensional understanding of Earth’s deep time Evolutionary Pageant.
But that doesn’t seem to resonate with anyone I speak to, though guess my sample size is frightfully small, so I keep trying.
As for the challenge of proposing solutions - the metaphor of being strapped into an airplane at 40,000’ coming apart at the seams comes to mind - and the next few moments is all that matter, what would you like to be present to?
That was in reference to
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Again, that response was to write’s comment. Not yours.
Your link regarding “dimming the sun” is a good one. But it is not addressing the aria study under discussion. In fact, the aria study could reinforce what the scientists in your Mongabay article say. That’s the purpose of the aria study.
Geoengineering is a very general term that encompasses many things. The aria experiment is very, very different from a global planetary scale effort which, at this point would be very uninformed. That’s what your article says, and I agree with that.
We good now? 
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When did clouds stop moving Coffee?
Oh boy. That’s a real question?
They never stopped moving. They generally dissipate fairly quickly, however. A single cloud generally has a very short life.
Provide the evidence
I figured you were a troll. I have been a pilot most of my life and have flown through more clouds than I could begin to count. Meteorology is a fundamental skill for any pilot. I’m not here to entertain your ignorance.
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A key aim is to earn and maintain trust in the research that is being undertaken. This will be underpinned by a culture of transparency. Our aim is to establish a culture of complete openness for outdoor experiments in terms of what activities are undertaken and their outcomes, similar to that which the International Civil Aviation Organization champions for the sharing of best practices in the aviation industry [31]. The principles above are designed to embed this mindset from the beginning of the R&D pathway for the approaches supported by this programme.
Sounds wonderful. Reminds me of the IPCC’s lofty goals and their amazing successes in meeting that challenge - then what happened? . . . The daggers came out . . .
By funding research into both the technical and non-technical aspects of approaches for actively cooling the Earth, this programme aims to drive forward both fundamental understanding of these approaches and their risks, and the development of structures for just and informed deliberation on their benefits and risks in lockstep.
I don’t see where our knowledge of Earth processes are good enough to actually do what they promise that they’ll need to do. I see no indication of an appreciation for Earth’s complex global heat and moisture distribution engine
Then the fine print
Fund projects and researchers globally as part of this programme
Bring an open mindset to co-funding projects with other government funding agencies
Make ourselves and our expert networks available to other government and (potentially other public benefit) funding agencies which are considering establishing their own research programmes in this space, including support with validation and verification of experiments
Create opportunities for sharing best practice and learning with representatives of international and public benefit funding agencies, including annual workshops and invitations to observe the outdoor experiments that we fund
Upon invitation, send expert teams from ARIA, or within its network, to observe and feed back on experiments being funded by other government funding agencies
Consider requests from other government funding agencies (both UK and non-UK) to observe the workings of the ARIA programme’s oversight committee.
How I would love to believe, but given my knowledge base of paying attention to the evolving state of our Earth’s health since the early 1970s, nothing in their well detailed ideas actually adds up, given where we are at (global economy, and deteriorating Earth systems) this tanker isn’t going to be turned around with the wave of our hopes and dreams.
Given the past half century of my misgivings, and my upset at one major misstep after another - then having my misgiving proven time and again by historical outcomes these past decades. When compared against all the assurances the advertisements and propagandists promised us - I’m stuck with the validity of my opinion no matter how ugly and hateful it is.
I would love for someone to bring some evidence to the table to change my mind, but I need real facts and results, instead, big words, no consensus on anything, and I just see us digging our hole deeper - since this stuff will simply delay dealing with reality. And the longer we procrastinate the uglier the reckoning will be. That’s where all the physical evidence points to, no matter how detestable that may be for those unfortunates who’ll be around for it.
The overarching goal of this programme is to answer fundamental questions on the practicality, measurability and controllability of technologies that might one day be used to actively cool the Earth. Projects will therefore need to demonstrate how they align with this goal.
I spent a bunch of time over the course of today to get through that document, because you’re one of few I respect (oh and incidentally, no, ‘respect’ is not a given, it must be earned 
) so it’s done. Wish I could believe.
But, I see no indication that they even have a realistic evolution based conception of our global heat and moisture distribution engine, which is an incredibly complex system - nor any sense for the Earth’s biological solar insulation budget and needs.
Without that, there’s no chance of gaining anything beyond funding to spend.
Seeing the Trees through the forest - what direct actions would you like govt to pursue to slowdown, stop and reduce the concentration of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere? See if we are on the same page
Hi coffee,
The pilot thingamajig doesnt do it for me. Rather get it from the experts.
“We sometimes get clouds that can travel huge distances, and cross the oceans.”
Why do the clouds move? | Culture Online - UCL – University College London.
And
Clouds can live for days
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Another study, showing it’s the top 10% causing the problem. I thought that I’d the 50 to 90% richest focused on how to improve the bottom 50% instead of focusing on how to get into the top, the top 10% would stop being a problem, the disparity would do low.
The article doesn’t list what changes should be made, but the methodology should have that
published on Wednesday in the journal Nature Climate Change, but I can’t find it yet
Co-author Carl-Friedrich Schleussner
Lead Sarah Schöngart
Copilot gets it information from experts, just like everyone else. The little numbers following a statement are links to published papers.
Co pilots dont do it for me either
I think the first thing would be that we spend less time finding others to blame for the problem. and start getting real about each our own roles in this. No one with a full belly and a nice home except for the children are blameless. And they’ll lose that fast enough—as they start having to forage for themselves.
Greenhammer, I’m curious if you are young or if you are old ?
I’m also curious why you bother to comment here ?
Are you after a dialogue on some level ?
Have you spent any time learning about climate science and Earth science in a serious manner?