⭐⭐⭐They think goodness comes from their story, so if you don’t believe them, they think you’re not good. I think it’s there we need to start, showing them that we care about the planet and the future and children and puppies just as much as they do.⭐⭐?@Lausten makes a crucial point here, @citizenschallengev3
It isn’t that proponents of Creationism/ID think the science behind the theory of evolution is merely incorrect. They literally see it as evil. And not JUST because it makes God irrelevant.
CC: We (rightly) criticize Christians and other theists for theur historical atrocities. Religious dogma has created tribalism and hatred and suffering for Millennia. But we make a similar error by not admitting that people have used “science” to justify evils as well.
Since (as I’ve mentioned) I was named for William Jennings Bryan, I’ve studied up on him a bit. One thing about the Scopes Monkey Trial that “our” side doesn’t really acknowledge is that the author of the science textbook in question was a eugenicist – one factor that concerned people.
As a Progressive and someone who “believes in science,” I have to admit that for a time there, “my side” had it wrong.
In 1883, Sir Francis Galton, a respected British scholar and cousin of Charles Darwin, first used the term eugenics, meaning “well-born.” Galton believed that the human race could help direct its future by selectively breeding individuals who have “desired” traits.As horrific as this idea seems now, we are thinking of it with our modern sensibilities. The original idea was seen as a way to improve humanity and make life better for all. It didn't devolve into things like genocide until later.
Speaking of that, there was Hitler. Atheists often claim he was a devout Catholic (as he wrote early-on), while Christians claim he was atheist.
But those who have delved deeply into his background, diaries, speeches, etc. say he was neither. He actually detested Christianity. He was a Pantheist and Occultist. He was attracted to scientific eugenics because he thought creating a master race was the “right” thing to do.
We all know that he tried to cancel the disabled, gays, gypsies, etc., but mostly Jews. However, those who claim he did so because of Christian conviction are simply wrong. It IS true that Germany had a tradition of antisemitism due to the teaching of Popes and Martin Luther. The idea that “Jews killed Christ” made them vile to society; Hitler and others grabbed onto the “vileness” as being inherited and biological. For them, it no longer had any connection to their supposed Christ-killing (which is why they also killed Jews who had converted to Christianity).
We don’t hear much about this in the general conversation about Evolutionism/Creationism. But dig past the surface: underlying their argument is a deep fear that “science” really is evil, that it could be used to get rid of “undesirables.”
Again: YES, Christians are clearly in DENIAL about how the Bible itself has been used to do precisely that!! However, pointing this out does nothing to allay their fears about US.
So, getting back to the OP: Maybe it isn’t just about getting them to see that they are stupid, ignorant people who trust in an invisible sky-God. Maybe some of it has to do with convincing them that science isn’t diabolical.