# Why doesn't the GOP want a border deal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [January 28, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678 "2024-01-28T15:15:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/21 "2024-01-31T12:16:43Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Back in real world There is only one real world, and we all live in it. It’s too big for any one of us to perceive all of it, and for some it’s too big for them to find any comfort or make any sense of it. So, we find comfort in a small set of facts that fit with what we think is true. For immigration, the numbers that get repeated the most are the people crossing the border. Even though people drown doing it, it gets called an open border. Even though border patrol reports on it, it’s said that nothing is being done. That’s reality. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/22 "2024-01-31T12:18:45Z")
> [@dadada](#): > > NAFTA That was a long time ago, and a very popular measure. Hardly the work of one man. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/23 "2024-01-31T15:41:16Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Refusing to stem the tide of people coming in to the country is de facto unlimited immigration. Guess that brings us right back to the point of this thread - [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/29/will-trump-be-able-kill-bipartisan-immigration-deal/#politics-and-social-issues](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/29/will-trump-be-able-kill-bipartisan-immigration-deal/#politics-and-social-issues) > **['Immoral': Some Republicans rebuke efforts to kill immigration deal to help...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/immoral-republicans-rebuke-efforts-kill-immigration-deal-help-trump-rcna135732)** > > The fight over an emerging border and foreign aid bill grew tense Thursday as the GOP split over whether to sink the deal to boost Donald Trump's presidential campaign. > **[GOP senators seethe as Trump blows up delicate immigration compromise | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html)** > > Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come... > [@thatoneguy](#): > > I don’t like Trump, but he’s got the right idea about many things Can you list them? > [@thatoneguy](#): > > Immigrants are nowhere near 2/3 of of America, but I want them gone as well. Think about that a little. Or is it just the immigrants that arrived after your forbearers arrived? > [@thatoneguy](#): > > The government is not immune from lying But what about a MAGA ME ME ME leader who has demonstrated he’s absolutely immune to truthfulness? > **[Our Nation of Immigrants](https://www.brookings.edu/collection/our-nation-of-immigrants/)** > > Immigration is a foundation of America. No other nation has as large an immigrant population as does the United States. With the important exception of those descended from Native peoples and/or enslaved Africans, few people in this country cannot... > [@thatoneguy](#): > > The simple fact is we have unprecedented immigration **and this administration has done nothing to stop it.** So much of what you claim simply isn’t true > **[Key facts about U.S. immigration policies and Biden’s proposed changes](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/11/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/)** > > Since Joe Biden took office in 2021, his administration has acted on a number of fronts to reverse Trump-era restrictions on immigration. [https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record) > In This Article > > - [The administration has deployed a series of carrot-and-stick measures at the border](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#border) > - [A swelling number of individuals hold “twilight” legal statuses that do not lead to a green card](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#interior) > - [Washington has relied on partner countries in Latin America and the Caribbean](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#hemispheric) > - [New guidelines for interior enforcement may have had the biggest impact on the daily lives of immigrants and their families](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#discretion) > - [Refugee resettlement is on pace to be the highest in decades](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#refugee) > - [Legal immigration is at new highs after the pandemic-induced slowdowns](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#legal) > - [In an election year, immigration remains a political vulnerability](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#vulnerability) ============== Oh and there are knock on effects of ignoring issues, and kicking the can down the road > [@morgankane01](#): > > And the climate change will oblige hundred of millions of people to move. > > [[https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high-income,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high%2Dincome,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).)] > > Even Australia, an Island, knows its share of it. ant it is an island, far away from any territory, which combines an open policy for legal migrants and a very tough one for illegal migrants. > > [[Overseas Migration, 2022-23 financial year | Australian Bureau of Statistics](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release)] > [[Illegal immigration to Australia - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Australia#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20it%20was%20reported,increased%20to%20more%20than%20100%2C000.)] ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/24 "2024-01-31T18:09:07Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > I don’t like Trump, but he’s got the right idea about many things and most democrats have the wrong idea about everything. And you believe any of that? Trump is a con-man who tells you what you want to hear, but never delivers on what he promises. Name one. And most beneficial social services are the result of Democratic legislation, in spite of opposition by Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/25 "2024-01-31T21:08:56Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > And most beneficial social services are the result of Democratic legislation, in spite of opposition by Republicans. NAFTA and the Monroe Doctrine. Biden falling away in the polls ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/26 "2024-02-01T01:49:20Z")
> [@dadada](#): > > NAFTA and the Monroe Doctrine. Biden falling away in the polls **Biden is the proud owner of the best economic rising tide, lifting all boats in 50 years.** In the past 4 years, the Biden economy today _actually_ exceeds the Budget office’s pre-covid future predictions. Think about that for a moment. Our economy is the strongest by far than all other countries in the world. ## OTHER STATISTICS ON THE TOPIC [Poverty and income in the United States](https://www.statista.com/topics/2154/poverty-and-income-in-the-united-states/) [ ![Personal income in the United States from 1991 to 2022 (in billion U.S. dollars)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/4/c/4c22d0b5e98608d1fcffcdd67e8fcf4d9f714a60.png) ECONOMY U.S. personal income 1991-2022 ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/216756/us-personal-income/)[ ![Median income of black private households in the United States from 1990 to 2022 (in 2022 U.S. dollars)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/a/2/a2507828598ea270d44bfdcb1cb9979460974702.png) ECONOMY U.S. household income of black families 1990-2022 ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/203295/median-income-of-black-households-in-the-us/)[ ![Median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers in the United States from 1979 to 2021 (in current U.S. dollars)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/7/2/7248241c36bf5fd6bf03c823f436d71f22c366cc.png)+ ECONOMY U.S. median earnings of full time wage and salary workers 1979-2021 ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/184664/median-weekly-earnings-of-full-time-wage-and-salary-workers/)[ ![Average total annual compensation per full-time equivalent employee in the United States from 2000 to 2021 (in U.S. dollars)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/8/f/8f71fb501664695e11f0da5c6bdad4cc7a4cfbb8.png) ECONOMY U.S. total compensation per employee 2000-2021 ](https://www.statista.com/statistics/243846/total-compensation-per-employee-in-the-us/) [https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/) And who else in the world makes “less than 75,000.00” p/yr? ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/27 "2024-02-01T03:01:57Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > I don’t like Trump, but he’s got the right idea about many things and most democrats have the wrong idea about everything. > > And you believe any of that? Trump is a con-man who tells you what you want to hear, but never delivers on what he promises. Name one. > > And most beneficial social services are the result of Democratic legislation, in spite of opposition by Republicans. Ironically, those social services are being strained by non-stop immigration. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/28 "2024-02-01T03:09:33Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Refusing to stem the tide of people coming in to the country is de facto unlimited immigration. > > Guess that brings us right back to the point of this thread - > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/29/will-trump-be-able-kill-bipartisan-immigration-deal/#politics-and-social-issues](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/29/will-trump-be-able-kill-bipartisan-immigration-deal/#politics-and-social-issues) > > ['Immoral': Some Republicans rebuke efforts to kill immigration deal to help Trump](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/immoral-republicans-rebuke-efforts-kill-immigration-deal-help-trump-rcna135732) > > [https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html) > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > I don’t like Trump, but he’s got the right idea about many things > > Can you list them? > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > Immigrants are nowhere near 2/3 of of America, but I want them gone as well. > > Think about that a little. > Or is it just the immigrants that arrived after your forbearers arrived? > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > The government is not immune from lying > > But what about a MAGA ME ME ME leader who has demonstrated he’s absolutely immune to truthfulness? > > [Our Nation of Immigrants | Brookings](https://www.brookings.edu/collection/our-nation-of-immigrants/) > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > The simple fact is we have unprecedented immigration **and this administration has done nothing to stop it.** > > So much of what you claim simply isn’t true > > [Key facts about U.S. immigration policies and Biden’s proposed changes](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/11/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/) > > [https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record) > > > In This Article > > > > - [The administration has deployed a series of carrot-and-stick measures at the border](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#border) > > - [A swelling number of individuals hold “twilight” legal statuses that do not lead to a green card](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#interior) > > - [Washington has relied on partner countries in Latin America and the Caribbean](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#hemispheric) > > - [New guidelines for interior enforcement may have had the biggest impact on the daily lives of immigrants and their families](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#discretion) > > - [Refugee resettlement is on pace to be the highest in decades](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#refugee) > > - [Legal immigration is at new highs after the pandemic-induced slowdowns](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#legal) > > - [In an election year, immigration remains a political vulnerability](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-three-immigration-record#vulnerability) > > ============== > > Oh and there are knock on effects of ignoring issues, and kicking the can down the road > > > [@morgankane01](#): > > > > And the climate change will oblige hundred of millions of people to move. > > > > [[https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high-income,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high%2Dincome,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).)] > > > > Even Australia, an Island, knows its share of it. ant it is an island, far away from any territory, which combines an open policy for legal migrants and a very tough one for illegal migrants. > > > > [[Overseas Migration, 2022-23 financial year | Australian Bureau of Statistics](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release)] > > [[Illegal immigration to Australia - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Australia#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20it%20was%20reported,increased%20to%20more%20than%20100%2C000.)] None of Biden’s limp wristed measures have worked because they are cosmetic. We send a few thousand back and 10 times that number show up again. The current immigration fix is exactly the same thing. Just for show, except now it’s an election year. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/29 "2024-02-01T03:18:36Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > Immigration is impossible to stop, we have the same difficulties in Europe. > > Immigration causes are poverty, war, climate change and dictatorship. People fight to be able to live decently and West in the broad meaning is very attractive. > > And the world population birth rate is declining. West will need migrants. Even Mme Meloni, the Italian prime minister, an ultra right woman had to acknowledge it. > > And the climate change will oblige hundred of millions of people to move. > > [[https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high-income,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).](https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/climate-migration-101-explainer#:~:text=Yet%20even%20in%20high%2Dincome,2023%20(see%20Figure%202).)] > > Even Australia, an Island, knows its share of it. ant it is an island, far away from any territory, which combines an open policy for legal migrants and a very tough one for illegal migrants. > > [[Overseas Migration, 2023-24 financial year | Australian Bureau of Statistics](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release)] > [[Illegal immigration to Australia - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Australia#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20it%20was%20reported,increased%20to%20more%20than%20100%2C000.)] Immigration can easily be stopped, there is just no will to do it. Europeans need young immigrants to pay into their very generous social programs because Euro Boomers didn’t have enough children. As for Climate change causing mass immigration in the future – if that is the case, then the people with the most firepower and the will to use it are going to be the deciding factor. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 5:39am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/30 "2024-02-01T05:39:48Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > None of Biden’s limp wristed measures have worked because they are cosmetic. We send a few thousand back and 10 times that number show up again. The current immigration fix is exactly the same thing. Just for show, except now it’s an election year. You’re not listening, or paying attention. Nothing will get solved that way. But we all know that already. > [@thatoneguy](#): > > if that is the case, then the people with the most firepower and the will to use it are going to be the deciding factor. If you knew more about what the “climate crisis” is about, and those trajectories developing before our eyes you’d appreciate that fire power isn’t going to win anything for anyone. You think we can keep wantonly blowing up everything in sight? You don’t think that’s going to come back and bite? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 6:12am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/31 "2024-02-01T06:12:01Z")
Homelessness is up, more people working two or three jobs is up and debt is up The Report shows total household debt increased by $228 billion (1.3%) in the third quarter of 2023, to **$17.29 trillion**.7 Nov 2023 [ ### Total Household Debt Reaches $17.29 Trillion in Q3 2023 ]([Total Household Debt Reaches $17.29 Trillion in Q3 2023; Driven by Mortgage, Credit Card, and Student Loan Balances - FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of NEW YORK](https://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2023/20231107#:~:text=The%20Report%20shows%20total%20household,of%202023%2C%20to%20%2417.29%20trillion.)) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/32 "2024-02-01T06:51:40Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Ironically, those social services are being strained by non-stop immigration. And that is who’s fault? You are aware there is a bipartisan border bill in congress that is being opposed by the Trump Republicans. You are aware that funds for Trump’s “border fence” was stolen? # Steve Bannon Charged With Misusing Donations For Trump’s Border Wall AUGUST 20, 202010:29 AM ET ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/b/2/b2e740d585017f05da2cc8185e9c65913bc6548f.jpeg) _Former White House adviser Steve Bannon exits the Manhattan Federal Court on Thursday. Bannon and three other defendants have been indicted for allegedly defrauding donors in a $25 million border wall fundraising campaign. Bannon joins a list of 2016 Trump campaign officials who have faced federal charges._ Stephanie Keith/Getty Images That was after Trump had promised Mexico was going to pay for that wall. And then Trump “pardoned” these convicted criminals who stole American Taxpayer’s money. Very productive? ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 11:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/33 "2024-02-01T11:27:44Z")
Steve bannon is the reason for rise in household debt and homelessness 🤣🤣🤣🤣 What a sausage ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/34 "2024-02-01T16:14:58Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > We send a few thousand back and 10 times that number show up again. There are no actual numbers that match statement > [@thatoneguy](#): > > because Euro Boomers didn’t have enough children I see your Replacement Theory. Not gonna fly. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/35 "2024-02-01T16:18:44Z")
> [@dadada](#): > > Steve bannon is the reason for rise in household debt and homelessness That was not the point of that comment. Straw manning is the technical term. Pointing and laughing is for schoolyards. There are plenty of forums that encourage it. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/36 "2024-02-01T20:27:04Z")
> [@dadada](#): > > Steve bannon is the reason for rise in household debt and homelessness 🤣🤣🤣🤣 > > What a sausage Where did thatcome from? Are you saying that? C’mon, that’s pure sausage. We are talking about unelected criminals running the country and destroying the concept of democracy. And that description doesn’t apply to Biden. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/37 "2024-02-02T02:59:54Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > There are no actual numbers that match statement It doesn’t have to be exact. It’s a swarm and it’s not stopping. > [@lausten](#): > > I see your Replacement Theory. Not gonna fly. I’m afraid it’s been flying for decades. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/38 "2024-02-02T03:01:11Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > I’m afraid it’s been flying for decades. When are they going to replace you? ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/39 "2024-02-02T03:15:17Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > And that is who’s fault? You are aware there is a bipartisan border bill in congress that is being opposed by the Trump Republicans. Ultimately, it is the democrat’s fault. > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > If you knew more about what the “climate crisis” is about, and those trajectories developing before our eyes you’d appreciate that fire power isn’t going to win anything for anyone. You think we can keep wantonly blowing up everything in sight? > > You don’t think that’s going to come back and bite? If things get that bad, then liberal values will disappear fast. And if the point is to stop a huge surge in immigration, then firepower would help a lot. Morally it would be unacceptable, but survival always beats morality. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678/40 "2024-02-02T03:26:54Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > I’m afraid it’s been flying for decades. > > When are they going to replace you? No idea what this means. I’m not European. However, the anti-immigrant voices in Britain, at least, [are being silenced.](https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/far-right-organiser-found-guilty-intent-stir-racial-hatred-through-distribution-stickers) [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/why-doesnt-the-gop-want-a-border-deal/10678.md?page=3)