One thing that believer and nons agree on is that humans first developed hyper active agency detection. So a rustle in the grass might be the wind, but if you believed it was a tiger, you ran. So those survived. This morphed into giving agency to thunder and floods, assigning it to invisible forces, then a man in the clouds.
This is an excellent question, with an exceptionally lame answer.
That’s the best you could come up with? I think you are better than that.
Because humans are a young immature species. This is evidenced by the fact people spent and still spend an infinite amount of time and treasure discussing “God” - … arguing over “God” - … fighting and killing over “God”
Until Christians, (Catholics) admit their main fundraiser is a con-game swindle of lying to people to convince them they are born sinners, then make it convenient to fix the sin for a fee. The highly profitable indulgencies issued by the church financed the Vatican. The church needs to reassess its stance on morals and ethics and stop gaslighting and taking advantage of the fear of God.
Yes but that came much later. The concept of an unseen agency in the sky started with the early hominids. This can be seen today with the aggressive protective behavior of Alpha Chimps during a thunderstorm.
Recent observations record the typical defensive posture of Alpha Chimpanzees (our closest cousin) against an unseen threat from the sky that makes loud noises and throws fire and water down from above and makes him and his family miserable.
The male runs around beating the bushes with a stick and throwing rocks and twigs up at the sky, yelling and posturing, all clear signs that he is trying to scare off an unseen threat in the sky.
That’s how Thor (by any other name) was born. One of the oldest gods in the minds of man.
Note that the oldest gods were responsible for natural phenomena. Later came the abstract gods that required worship, appeasement, and sacrifice of “burnt offerings” (Leviticus I) .
Blockquote We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
Blockquote A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away.
Blockquote I believe in humanity. We are an incredible species. We’re still just a child creature, we’re still being nasty to each other. And all children go through those phases. We’re growing up, we’re moving into adolescence now. When we grow up - man, we’re going to be something!
When it comes the idea of god, any god, humans are “nasty” to each other. If all humans question the idea of a god, any god, maybe, just maybe, we will grab life and actually live it without religion controlling everyone. Secular laws are better than religious rules/laws, because there is no god, except in the minds of humans.
Did someone say Gene Roddenberry?
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For my tastes, it has the coolest punchline of any sci fi space-western. (although post '70s/early '80s haven’t seen many)
WoW, thank you for that. Why can’t we be cooler like they are?
Yes indeed. We have excellent information describing the development stages of a human infant brain. I extrapolated numbers from that data. It said you are right on target when you say as a species, “we are barely out of the jungle.”
Well, I was talking about quotes he said outside of Trek, but yes, “What does god need with a ship (or country, in the case of the Repugs)?”
Who? Who’s cooler? …
Was there a question here? Come up with what?
Gene Roddenberry, & the star trek crew,
Excuse me for disrupting the flow. Off topic and out of line, but imagining the possibilities of the Voyager traveling on for thousands and thousand of years to be picked up some other advance civilization assuming it is god, that’s cool.
For a dinosaur ![]()
I’m just talking about Gene, not Star Trek, even though he did create Star Trek. Gene was a humanist and his sayings, as well as the show he created are very humanistic. The quotes, by Gene, that I gave had nothing to do with Star Trek though. You said humans were immature. This brought to my mind what Gene said.
“What does god need with a ship?”
This line is from The Final Frontier. People believed it was God because they were touched by something that “healed their pain”, it found the thing that most troubled you, and let you let it go, like how your dad died or something. It defied logic.
Kirk refused to let anyone do it to him because he knew he needed that part of him to motivate him. So, he remained level headed and recognized the being that said it was God, should not need a ship.
Mea culpa, Mriana.
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It’s OK, CC. Not a problemo.
how do you commit omnipotency, omnisciency and omnibenevolamce without warp speed? gotta have a ship.
just joking about the joke of monotheism; it’s not a religion is it?
I think we not only embrace complexity but create it as an excuse for ignorance; people are smart enough to invent reasons for why they are not aware that “biology is the study of life” and they are omniaware of a nonexistent omnibeing.
Scientifically and specifically, humans are sexual animals. In Lgbtq terms, people are attracted to those of all gender identities and sexual orientations, are people omnisexual?