# Where’s Climate Change? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [January 23, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315 "2025-01-23T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mikeyohe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mikeyohe/32/28536_2.png) [@mikeyohe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mikeyohe)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/1 "2025-01-23T17:56:40Z")
More than 99.9% of studies agree that Humans caused climate change. In the last 30 years there have been 130,000 climate change research papers. Between 2012 and 2020 alone there were approximately 88,125 articles written on climate change written in English. One cannot help but notice that what was missing in this election and in the media was Climate Change. What is going on? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/2 "2025-01-23T20:01:39Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > One cannot help but notice that what was missing in this election and in the media was Climate Change. Yeah, that’s easy to explain, the billionaires were in charge of this election along with the news - and the public doesn’t want to hear it. > [@mikeyohe](#): > > What is going on? For those that dare to look at physical reality, here’s what is going on: > **[Impact Stories | Climate Central](https://www.climatecentral.org/impact-stories)** > > Climate Central bridges the scientific community and the public, providing clear information to help people make sound decisions about the climate. [https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/climate/climate-change-impacts](https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/climate/climate-change-impacts) > **[Why is climate change happening and what are the causes?](https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-climate-change-happening-and-what-are-causes)** > > There are many “natural” and “anthropogenic” (human-induced) factors that contribute to climate change. Climate change has always happened on Earth, which is clearly seen in the geological record; it is the rapid rate and the magnitude of climate... > **[Billion-Dollar Weather and Climate Disasters | National Centers for...](https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/)** > > Summary of U.S. billion-dollar weather and climate related disaster research, methodology, and data sources > **[2023: A historic year of U.S. billion-dollar weather and climate disasters](https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/beyond-data/2023-historic-year-us-billion-dollar-weather-and-climate-disasters)** > > With 28 events, 2023 easily surpassed 2020 as the year with the most billion-dollar disasters in the U.S. The preliminary price tag is at least $92.9 billion. > **[Natural disasters caused US$368 billion in damages in 2024](https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/reinsurance/natural-disasters-caused-us368-billion-in-damages-in-2024-521797.aspx)** > > Over half of the losses were uninsured > **[Mapped: How climate change affects extreme weather around the world - Carbon...](https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/attribution-studies/index.html)** > > Attribution studies calculate whether, and by how much, climate change affected the intensity, frequency or impact of extremes – Carbon Brief has mapped every published study on how climate change has influenced extreme weather. > **[How are extreme weather events and the climate evolving in the United States?](https://ourworldindata.org/us-weather-climate)** > > Explore century-long data on temperatures, precipitation, heatwaves, drought, and hurricanes in the United States. But then if you refuse to care about it, or learn about it, or read about it, you might be able to pretend nothing is going on out there. ![IMG_ParlNacz_24-10-05_need for the contempt of truth.HEIC](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/5/a/5a56ad1012e7988bcf095f34e2fd56de20f4fe4f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/3 "2025-01-23T22:10:56Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > missing in this election It has been missing in every election ever. We think we’re smart, but we’re destroying our environment like all the dumb animals in the world. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 4:11am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/4 "2025-01-24T04:11:06Z")
It was a small issue in this election. Big bad Trump himself was on the minds of those who usually bring up climate change. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/5 "2025-01-24T13:21:32Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > we’re destroying our environment like all the dumb animals in the world. The dumb animals generally help the environment. It is only us “smart” creatures who destroy nature. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/6 "2025-01-24T13:23:09Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Big bad Trump Hey! We agree on something. Excellent. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 6:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/7 "2025-01-24T18:40:18Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Big bad Trump In orderto bring gas prices down, Trump has just declared an increase in oil production. His words; "Drill baby Drill! ---
**Author:** ![mikeyohe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mikeyohe/32/28536_2.png) [@mikeyohe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mikeyohe)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/8 "2025-01-24T19:28:10Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > In orderto bring gas prices down, Trump has just declared an increase in oil production. If you have a problem with that. In CA gas is around $5/gal. Just give $10 if that will make you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/9 "2025-01-24T19:46:55Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > If you have a problem with that. In CA gas is around $5/gal. Just give $10 if that will make you feel better. Interesting that you should cite CA as an example of needing lower gas prices thereby encouraging higher oil consumption and increased global warming that will result in the calamity that just destroyed a good part of CA. What is the cost (how many gallons of gas could you buy) of this natural calamity caused by global warming from exponential increase in oil consuption. **The estimated damage from the CA fires is between $52 billion and $57 billion23. Another estimate suggests a range of $135 billion to $150 billion1** And you want increased oil production to bring down the cost of driving your car to the super-market? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/10 "2025-01-24T21:33:52Z")
Gee m., and I thought this was about _where’s climate change_, bait and switch baby. Confusion and inaction is the game plan. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/11 "2025-01-24T23:01:23Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > bait and switch baby When Mike stays on topic for three posts in a row, I do a little happy dance ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 4:12am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/12 "2025-01-31T04:12:43Z")
Climate Change can be found in Tundra areas, permafrost melting along with its cascading consequences, [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/a/f/af3fc565ec03ad92ef44efdafe8940a371df52a8.jpeg "North America's Ongoing, Ignored Disaster") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxfpgqn6NOo) > Nov 30, 2024 - [GeologyHub](https://www.youtube.com/@GeologyHub) > There is an ongoing disaster in north America which is not only ongoing but getting worse. And despite its geologic origin, it has been largely ignored by the public. This video discusses the sudden changing of many remote streams and rivers from a clear blue to a toxic orange color. This is not due to acid mine drainage or illegal dumping of waste, but instead something worse. Tipping points are being tipped before our eyes, . . . How to make it all go away? Close your eyes. Oh but that’s in one’s head, _there is still Earth’s physical reality unfolding at its own pace, and what we are doing is not conducive to society or mammals and most other animal kingdoms, et al._ But most simply refuse grasp as much. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![mikeyohe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mikeyohe/32/28536_2.png) [@mikeyohe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mikeyohe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/13 "2025-02-09T20:58:03Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Oh but that’s in one’s head, Climate Change can be found everywhere on earth. Climate Change is taking place 24 hours a day, seven days a week on earth. It used to be called weather. Climate Change was probably created by a bat at some meat market somewhere or by some crazy political activists to scare the public. I wouldn’t worry about Climate Change until it is synchronized to a defined definition that can by used worldwide with a scientific meaning used both politically and scientifically. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/14 "2025-02-09T21:23:44Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > wouldn’t worry about Climate Change until it is synchronized to a defined definition that can by used worldwide with a scientific meaning Better start worrying. Cuz that’s been done. > [@Meet The Climate Denial Machine](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/meet-the-climate-denial-machine/5035): > > http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/28/meet-the-climate-denial-machine/191545 Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts that human activity is contributing to rising global temperatures, 66 percent of Americans incorrectly believe there is "a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether or not global warming is happening." The conservative media has fueled this confusion by distorting scientific research, hyping faux-scandals, and giving voice to groups funded by industries… ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/15 "2025-02-09T21:23:58Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > I wouldn’t worry about Climate Change until it is synchronized to a defined definition that can by used worldwide with a scientific meaning used both politically and scientifically. The politics of Ostrich ? Scientists, specialists in their one demesnes, agree about climate change, definition, reality, causes and effects. Some scientists negate it, and politicians and capitalists also, because they want to protect profits and ways of living. And, in any case, as long as we agree that climate change is a reality, we should worry. ---
**Author:** ![mikeyohe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mikeyohe/32/28536_2.png) [@mikeyohe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mikeyohe)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/16 "2025-02-09T22:27:45Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > And, in any case, as long as we agree that climate change is a reality, we should worry. In the past 35 years Climate Change has been a subject of discussion. Yet today there are articles that confuse Global Warming and Climate Change. Our government departments. Example, for DHS term meaning you need to the DHS Lexicon. Black’s Law Dictionary use to be the standard. _Black’s Law Dictionary defines climate change as a long-term change in the climate that is caused by human activity or natural processes._ _ **Explanation** _ Climate change is a significant change in the climate that lasts for decades or longer. It can be caused by human activity, such as burning fossil fuels, or natural processes, such as volcanic eruptions. Climate change can include changes in temperature, precipitation, wind patterns, and the risk of severe weather. Climate change can also include sea-level rise, ice mass loss, and shifts in plant blooming. _ **Causes** _ **Human activity:** Burning fossil fuels like coal, oil, and gas Clearing land and cutting down forests **Agriculture** Oil and gas operations **Natural processes:** Changes in the sun’s activity Large volcanic eruptions AI - “_Black’s Law Dictionary defines climate change as a long-term change in the climate that is caused by human activity or natural processes_.” **It is simple. “human activity or natural processes” are Climate Change.** AI - _Black’s Law Dictionary stays current with changing legal meanings by regularly publishing new editions, with a team of editors actively monitoring legal developments, researching new terms emerging in case law and legal scholarship, and incorporating them into the dictionary as needed, often with citations to relevant court decisions to support the definitions; this ensures the dictionary reflects the most up-to-date legal terminology._ In using the term “Climate Change” with CC’s _North America’s Ongoing, Ignored Disaster_. We know for a fact that permafrost has been melting in America since the last glacial period 11,000 years ago. And the legal term “natural processes” in the definition says that was legally “Climate Change”. Talk about political! Climate Change has been a reality for the last million years according to the legal definition. And you want to now agree that we should worry? I think there is a political reason for the definition. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/17 "2025-02-10T00:33:58Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > Climate Change has been a reality for the last million years according to the legal definition. And you want to now agree that we should worry? I think there is a political reason for the definition. It is Climate Change that is NOT a million years, that is the danger. The most recent rapid Climate Change has a name" Anthropocene (manmade). In fact the change has been so rapid, they don’t call it Anthropocene anymore, but has been renamed “Golden Spike” which is actuallly worse because many species are not given the time to adapt (evolve) to the rapidly changing environment. The faster the change, the worse for all species. Hence a threatening extinction! Thus the other term “6th Extinction period” is correct as it does not identify with a particular length, but just as a threat. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 5:09am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/18 "2025-02-10T05:09:24Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > We know for a fact that permafrost has been melting in America since the last glacial period 11,000 years ago. This is what a professional liar sounds like. Turning chump change into show stoppers. > **[Scientists find the oldest permafrost yet discovered in Siberia - ArcticToday](https://www.arctictoday.com/scientists-find-the-oldest-permafrost-yet-discovered-in-siberia/)** > > An international team of researchers has found the oldest known permafrost in Siberia. The permafrost layer, located near the eastern Siberian village of Batagay, has been frozen in a depth of about 50 meters for the past 650,000 years — the oldest... > **[Permafrost thaw: it’s complicated](https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/FutureEO/Permafrost_thaw_it_s_complicated)** > > One of the many serious consequences of the climate crisis is that precious permafrost is thawing, and this is unleashing even more carbon to the atmosphere and further exacerbating climate change. However, it’s complicated. For example, sometimes... [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/arctic-warmest-in-10000-years-1.5094392](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/arctic-warmest-in-10000-years-1.5094392) [https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506](https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506) That’s why the formal title for what is happening this age is Anthropogenic Global Warming, driven climate changes. The MAGA mind says: > [@](#): > > **Climate Change has been a reality for the last million years according to the legal definition.** But liars refuse to recognize the real world nuances. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/4/a/4a7dc27508ac00c9622975c0d9460fa8e56f01c5.jpeg) [(source)](https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506) ### Statements like that are beyond contemptible, they are malicious lies and crazy-making that demonstrate a complete disregard for evidence and honesty and worse. The words demonstrate a profound tragic self-destructive disregard for Earth physical reality and our life support systems. _Oh but no one is supposed to get upset about it. That wouldn’t be groovy._ ---
**Author:** ![mikeyohe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mikeyohe/32/28536_2.png) [@mikeyohe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mikeyohe)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/19 "2025-02-10T20:15:15Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > It is Climate Change that is NOT a million years, that is the danger. I agree to a point. But where is the science? First define the problem. Then establish a datum point or base line. Then build data from there. This has not been done. You can’t define the problem when you keep changing the name and definition you give the problem for political reasons. You can’t have Climate Change and weather meaning the same thing. Weather has always operated in cycles. So, what is your base line? Don’t give me CO2 as a base line. In thirty years of models. You can’t get three to match. And they have all run hot from the beginning. What do you want? Another thirty years of models running hot. And years of lying about where the CO2 heat is hiding? CO2 should have the earth’s tempeture up 20 degrees by the consensus scientists. There should be no snow anywhere on earth today. So, at what point are people suppose to keep forgetting old predictions for new predictions. The second point is. Is higher CO2 been better or worst for earth (not just humans)? The third point is. Yes the earth is going to change. It has always been changing. You say that humans are making it change faster. And that is correct. So, why don’t we use science to get the facts. In the last 20-years the people have been telling the science to use items like sun cycles and clouds. Today the science is busy studying sun cycles and clouds. It is all political. Net zero cannot be proven workable. Yet, that was the path we are on. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315/20 "2025-02-10T23:49:42Z")
> [@mikeyohe](#): > > But where is the science? If you are on a forum with citizens challenge and don’t know where the science is, you are willfully ignorant. But even that is not “the problem” “these days”. The problem is, the methods, the principles, and the processes of science are not understood well enough by enough people. I’ve been on this forum for a while, and had too many conversations about what science is. It’s not a political problem, it’s everywhere. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-s-climate-change/11315.md?page=2)