# Where did the situation in Afghanistan fail?
**URL:** https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240
**Category:** General Discussion
**Created:** [August 27, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240 "2021-08-27T03:39:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/61 "2021-09-13T06:33:41Z")
> [@write4u](#):
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> > He mocks quite rightly Write4 U belief that USA goal for invading afganistan was to get the mastermind by pointing out that USA were still occupying Afganistan 10 years after bin Laden’s death.
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> First, you have no standing in this conversation
> Second, if you cannot make the correct spelling of a country’s name , I am quite right to now mock your ignorance of the issue.
First, that sounds like Fascisms.
Second, that sounds like Ad Hominem.
Seriously. I’m a complete idiot yet things like this go right by on this forum as acceptable. I point out about how everyone here is happy so long as everyone agrees with each other, and even find people who continuously mock me for it, yet this exists consistently with not one person coming out to do the right thing and call it out. So where is the Altruism here?
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### Author:  [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/62 "2021-09-13T07:20:09Z")
[quote=“write4u, post:37, topic:8240”]
> First, you have no standing in this conversation
> Second, if you cannot make the correct spelling of a country’s name, I am quite right to now mock your ignorance of the issue.
[quote=“mitch70, post:61, topic:8240”]
> First, that sounds like Fascisms.
Wrong, it was a statement of _fact._
> Second, that sounds like Ad Hominem.
Wrong, look up the definition of the term _ignorant_
OTOH, your statement that "he mocks quite rightly " is ad hominem.
> So where is the Altruism here?
Wrong, the term _altruism_ is not applicable in this context.
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/63 "2021-09-13T07:22:47Z")
[quote=“write4u, post:62, topic:8240, full:true”]
> [@mitch70](#):
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> > [quote=“write4u, post:37, topic:8240”]
> > First, you have no standing in this conversation
> > Second, if you cannot make the correct spelling of a country’s name, I am quite right to now mock your ignorance of the issue.
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> > First, that sounds like Fascisms.
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> Wrong, it was a statement of _fact._
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> > Second, that sounds like Ad Hominem.
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> Wrong, look up the definition of the term _ignorant_
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> OTOH, your statement that "he mocks quite rightly " is ad hominem.
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> > So where is the Altruism here?
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> Wrong, the term _altruism_ is not applicable in this context.
Can you repost your response? I’ve lost your message in translation.
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### Author:  [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 7:36am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/64 "2021-09-13T07:36:42Z")
[quote=“mitch70, post:63, topic:8240”]
> Can you repost your response? I’ve lost your message in translation.
You lost the message a long way back. I’m done with this thread.
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/65 "2021-09-13T07:42:46Z")
Ok so be it, but your response was broke.
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### Author:  [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/66 "2021-09-13T11:55:01Z")
I agree with you. "The original excuses that politicians gave for sending military to Afghanistan” would have been a much
more honest choice of words
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/67 "2021-09-13T12:01:45Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I point out about how everyone here is happy so long as everyone agrees with each other, and even find people who continuously mock me for it, yet this exists consistently with not one person coming out to do the right thing and call it out. So where is the Altruism here?
@mitch70, it seems you just have trouble with the definitions of words. You come across as argumentative and overly sensitive because you are responding to definitions of words that are NOT THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE WORDS. So the dialog exists in your head in a way that it exists in no other.
Write4U took a minute to correct your understanding of the words. Appreciate that. Spend some of your own time looking up “humanism, ad hominem, Fascism”. If you don’t, it will continue to appear you are being deliberately disruptive, argumentative, and just posting to post. I don’t ban people for what is in their hearts, I ban them for results of their posts, the problems they are causing.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/68 "2021-09-13T14:45:40Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> Just to clarify, sorry no I do not in any way believe that Obama was from Kenya.
Thank you Mitch. Appreciate the clarification.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/69 "2021-09-13T15:08:35Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I’m the bastard son of 5 children.
😱
Wow, how does that work.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I’m white.
But you said you were half Irish.
🤣
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I bought a pizza business that I ran into the ground over the past 4 years of me owning it.
Was it honorable, did you give away all your profits?
I sure hope you didn’t mess with any of those kids.
The things I hear about Pizza Parlors make my head spin.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I drank gasoline at the age of 5 and turned blue in the ambulance
😳🥵
> [@mitch70](#):
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> My father told me that I wasn’t his son at the age of 12 years of age at my grandmothers funeral.
Holy poop. What a pop. Now I’m joining the pity party. You deserved better than that.
😢
> [@mitch70](#):
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> Think about for this one single moment in your life, what does this generation have to complain about that you haven’t dealt with far and above anything they’re complaining about?
That our older generation has robbed them of a healthy future, and bequeathed them a dying biosphere, within a radically shifting climate regime!
😠
> [@mitch70](#):
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> Nothing of what you say means anything to me,
I don’t believe you. Otherwise you wouldn’t keep coming back to us.
😘
Me? I was going to say I’m lily white, but then I just came across this:
> The Lily-white Movement was an anti-black political movement within the Republican Party in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
Fortunately, I actually have a good tan since I’m outside so much.
Hungarian-German according to genes,
American, German Hungarian according to upbringing.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/70 "2021-09-13T15:26:50Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> Altruism
> “The belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others”.
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> “Behavior of an animal that benefits another at its own expense.”
Seems to me Altruism is about our actions, rather than rhetoric.
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### Author:  [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/71 "2021-09-13T21:51:45Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> Things you can attack me on:
> I’m white
And I assume you’re also male? Gladly.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I’m white.
You said this already, but I’ll make sure I’ll attack you for not having a darker complexion.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I’m the bastard son of 5 children.
Yup, Male.
I’ll call Gloria Steinem and ask for her help.
Seriously though, we would you want anyone to attack you? BTW, President Obama was NOT a Muslim and he was born in the U.S.A. Hawaii to be exact, right after it became a state. His birth certificate also says he was born in Hawaii. Not sure where you get your propaganda, but you really need to stop watching Faux (you say “fox”) News. That said, maybe it’s your intelligence people should attack if you really believe that crap.
BTW, as Write4U said, altruism doesn’t apply with this. For starters, you asked to be attacked, so I’m obliging. BTW, I really don’t care that you are white and your son is mixed. My son is mixed too, but I consider us both human by way of race. I’m mixed up too, but humans seem to go by what one looks like and say that’s what we are. Other humans believe I’m Caucasian AKA “white”.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I drank gasoline at the age of 5 and turned blue in the ambulance. (yeah don’t pity party me over this)
Yeah, I say don’t pity you either and go back to the intelligence bit.
> [@mitch70](#):
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> I’m 50 years of age.
We don’t care about that either. We don’t care about anything you said in that whole rant. Now, you’ve been attacked, but only because you asked for it.
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### Author:  [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/72 "2021-09-13T21:58:03Z")
> [@mitch70](#):
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> btw I’m white. Are you? Is anyone else here white?
We got that and we really don’t care and none of that had anything to do with altruism. None of it.
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### Author:  [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/73 "2021-09-13T21:59:51Z")
> [@lausten](#):
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> @mitch70, it seems you just have trouble with the definitions of words.
He does and he doesn’t care. He’s like a petulant child who doesn’t care if he gets it right, because he believes he’s right no matter what.
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### Author:  [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/74 "2021-09-13T22:07:26Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> But you said you were half Irish.
> 🤣
Indeed he did. At one time the U.S. didn’t consider Irish “white”. 🤣 I’m telling you, I pegged him above.
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/75 "2021-09-13T22:17:01Z")
Was land ownership mentioned? That’s an important one for the foundational values of this country. I was taught the ideal, that if you were born here, you get all the rights, which should include the privileges. Well, it doesn’t.
In many ways, I am what this country values. I didn’t create that, don’t really like the system, but I was born into it. I thought about pitching it all and living in the woods, but even that would have been something I could do because of my privilege, I am privileged to be able to not take advantage of my privileges, and not be persecuted for it.
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### Author:  [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/76 "2021-09-13T22:30:57Z")
To the crocodile tear liberals who cry about women’s rights in Afghanistan in total ignorance that they once had these in the late 70 s and 80s with the new people’s communist govt. Education healthcare and land redistribution were all implemented after oppressive monarchy rule. All this was destroyed by the USA in its proxy war against the USSR for global hegemony without given a second thought of the consequences on afghan lives and social gains. The great John Pilger lays this out well.
> **[John Pilger: Afghanistan, the great game of smashing countries | MR Online](https://mronline.org/2021/08/26/john-pilger-afghanistan-the-great-game-of-smashing-countries/)**
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> In 2010, I was in Washington and arranged to interview the mastermind of Afghanistan’s modern era of suffering, Zbigniew Brzezinski. I quoted to him his autobiography in which he admitted that his grand scheme for drawing the Soviets into Afghanistan...
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/77 "2021-09-14T04:03:18Z")
> [@mriana](#):
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> > [@lausten](#):
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> > @mitch70, it seems you just have trouble with the definitions of words.
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> He does and he doesn’t care. He’s like a petulant child who doesn’t care if he gets it right because he believes he’s right no matter what.
Awww, and here I thought you didn’t like me. I thought there would at least be an explanation as to where I was wrong in my definitions. I keep reading over and over how I am wrong, yet nobody seems to care to dissect my argument and point out the flaw in my thinking. I’ve even gone so far as to say that I love learning when I’m wrong since it helps me grow as a person. If you were truly altruistic, holding the ideals to help improve others, and the world around you, doesn’t it seem that you’d at least care to do the right thing and explain your reasoning?
Of course not, we’re all too busy here to go into such details for a person who must obviously be a troll that for some random reason is given carte blanc to say what he pleases. There is a motive in everything, and if it’s only that I’m here for entertainment purposes of mockery, then my being here is on the basis of the malevolence of others.
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/78 "2021-09-14T04:18:03Z")
> [@lausten](#):
>
> Was land ownership mentioned? That’s an important one for the foundational values of this country. I was taught the ideal, that if you were born here, you get all the rights, which should include the privileges. Well, it doesn’t.
>
> In many ways, I am what this country values. I didn’t create that, don’t really like the system, but I was born into it. I thought about pitching it all and living in the woods, but even that would have been something I could do because of my privilege, I am privileged to be able to not take advantage of my privileges, and not be persecuted for it.
I was trying to figure where you were going with this, and not from a judgmental point of view. When you are given something without having to work for it, it creates somewhat of a dilemma questioning whether you deserved the inheritance in the first place. At least this is how I read your post. Maybe I’m wrong, but if this is what you were saying then I can at least agree with you on this.
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### Author:  [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/79 "2021-09-14T04:29:45Z")
> [@djtexas](#):
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> To the crocodile tear liberals who cry about women’s rights in Afghanistan in total ignorance that they once had these in the late 70 s and 80s with the new people’s communist govt. Education healthcare and land redistribution were all implemented after oppressive monarchy rule. All this was destroyed by the USA in its proxy war against the USSR for global hegemony without given a second thought of the consequences on afghan lives and social gains. The great John Pilger lays this out well.
>
> [John Pilger: Afghanistan, the great game of smashing countries | MR Online](https://mronline.org/2021/08/26/john-pilger-afghanistan-the-great-game-of-smashing-countries/)
It seems no one in America cared about what China was doing to Hong Kong in violation of every agreement that had ever been made between the two countries. The atrocities of China are seemingly acceptable in their tactics of murder and subjugation of everything that is Hong Kong. My son will learn a language that will soon be dead from the country his ancestors were born in, and all these altruistic Liberals will shed no tears because it’s not worth their time to think about it. Have one black man die in Minnesota and all of a sudden everything matters for years to come. Have a nation that commits genocide and forced labor to Muslims to their death, and all of a sudden it doesn’t even hit a blip on their radar. So long as LeBron aka LeChina James gets his million-dollar contract with Nike, you’ll only see him protesting the BLM lie, and care nothing of where his money comes from. It’s beyond stupid. If you care so much about humanity, then it seems that you’d put your focus on the real crimes rather than being a moth to the media.
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### Author:  [@djtexas](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/djtexas)
#### Post date: [September 14, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/where-did-the-situation-in-afghanistan-fail/8240/80 "2021-09-14T04:37:53Z")
It’s amazing how Americans were all in for thier war on terror on all things Muslim but now find concern with alleged treatment of Muslims in China. Also amazes me when they cheer the protests on the streets of Hong Kong while berating people taking part in protests at home.
More on the crying of democracy in Hong Kong
Now another reason that the period since 1997 was being criticized particularly by the British, say the former governor of Hong Kong Chris Patten would say: you know China is not being true to democracy. Now this in my view, this is British hypocrisy. Britain ran Hong Kong for 155 years. I want to tell you something, there was never a semblance of democracy. Did they ever introduce universal suffrage? Did they ever talk about universal suffrage? Not a word of it until after the handover agreement and then with Chinese rule looming, then it became essential that Hong Kong was democratic in a Western style fashion. This was hypocrisy
> **[Has Democracy Ever Existed in HK Under British Colonial Rule? | Martin Jacques](https://medium.com/@guanvideo/has-democracy-ever-existed-in-hk-under-british-colonial-rule-martin-jacques-ec212fe7a4d9)**
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> \[TRANSCRIPT\] of the video:
> Now there is a view in Hong Kong that Hong Kong had done well in the period before 1997, because it was smart…
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