# What's up with the Secret Service? Destroying evidence for the trumpkin? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [July 15, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698 "2022-07-15T14:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/1 "2022-07-15T14:37:19Z")
> ## [SECRET SERVICE DELETED JAN. 6 TEXT MESSAGES AFTER OVERSIGHT OFFICIALS REQUESTED THEM](https://theintercept.com/2022/07/14/jan-6-texts-deleted-secret-service/) > > ### A letter given to the January 6 committee says the erasure took place shortly after oversight officials requested the agency’s electronic communications. > > [Ken Klippenstein](https://theintercept.com/staff/kenklippenstein/) - July 14 2022 > “People need to understand that if Pence had listened to the Secret Service and fled the Capitol, this could have turned out a whole lot worse,” a congressional official not authorized to speak publicly told The Intercept. “It could’ve been a successful coup, not just an attempted one.” > But, the Office of Inspector General letter suggests, key evidence in the form of the Secret Service’s electronic communications may never see the light of day. The Department of Homeland Security — the Secret Service’s parent agency — is subject to oversight from the DHS Office of Inspector General, which had requested records of electronic communications from the Secret Service between January 5 and January 6, 2021, before being informed that they had been erased. It is unclear from the letter whether all of the messages were deleted or just some. > > Department officials have also pushed back on the oversight office’s records request by arguing that the records must first undergo review by DHS attorneys, which has delayed the process and left unclear if the Secret Service records would ever be produced, according to the letter. > A Customs and Border Protection official provided The Intercept with a document illustrating the challenges. A briefing memo produced by the agency for a leadership meeting with the DHS Office of Inspector General on July 7 instructs participants on how to push back against what it calls the inspector general’s “persistent” request for “direct, unfettered access to CBP systems,” as part of its “high number of OIG audits covering a variety of CBP program areas.” In a section titled “Watch Out For/ If Asked,” the memo describes a number of exemptions Customs and Border Protection can rely on to evade records requests from the inspector general’s office — including national security exemptions. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/f/fcbceb11806d5dd2e59e6cdee8b48e38f2e06411.jpeg "'Somebody's Lying': Secret Service Accused Of Deleting Key Text Messages From Jan. 5 And 6") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2MZCaMM2Zs) > Julia Ainsley reports on the Department of Homeland Security’s internal watchdog’s allegation that the Secret Service deleted a “significant number” of text messages from both Jan. 6 and 5. The Secret Service claims the deletions were part of a previously scheduled device replacement program, which Mika Brezinski refers to as “a huge stretch, at best.” ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/2 "2022-07-15T22:08:17Z")
My guess is that they had something to hide. But, that’s just speculation on my part. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/3 "2022-07-15T23:14:16Z")
This is beginning to sound like a blockbuster political intrigue movie. ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/4 "2022-07-16T00:29:15Z")
Maybe this segment. But the whole story will take a limited series Netflix show. “MAGAt Things” When people go upside-down ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/5 "2022-07-16T11:26:20Z")
> [@mrmhead](#): > > My guess is that they had something to hide. They are definitely hiding something. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/6 "2022-07-22T19:18:46Z")
July 21, 2022 # Secret Service Text Deletion Scandal Deepens; Criminal Investigation Opened [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/3/32a85956deca589ea0fdab5759efedbb1ff51d73.jpeg "Secret Service Text Deletion Scandal Deepens; Criminal Investigation Opened") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez7LdU_pJSg) > **Carol Leonnig, Washington Post investigative reporter** , talks with Rachel Maddow and an MSNBC panel about the latest developments in the investigation of the deletion of text messages by Secret Service officials on January 5th and 6th. ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/7 "2022-07-22T19:49:32Z")
Lock them Up! Lock them Up! Lock them Up! ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/8 "2022-07-23T01:30:48Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/8/8f69ef3a4dc4813efbe7942265d4f3733b08b182.jpeg "Listen to audio of Secret Service trying to get Pence to safety on January 6") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZgMWAATJw) > The January 6 committee played video of the January 6 riot synced with radio traffic from then-Vice President Mike Pence’s Secret Service detail as they were working to get Pence to safety as rioters breached the Capitol. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/4/4a2362b44a090d36f7462ebf1d334a5d500bd6f2.jpeg "Off The Cuff") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFOKsGxhU4Y) > [The Lincoln Project](https://www.youtube.com/c/TheLincolnProject) > > After 187 minutes of inaction as the US Capitol was under siege by rioters sent by Trump, the first words he thought to say were “the election was stolen.” The Lincoln Project is a leading pro-democracy organization in the United States — dedicated to the preservation, protection, and defense of democracy. > Our fight against Trumpism is only beginning. We must combat these forces everywhere and at all times — our democracy depends on it. Don’t forget to like, share, and follow The Lincoln Project on social media below! DONATE TO THE LINCOLN PROJECT [https://action.lincolnproject.us/donate](https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqblhINnNkaUcwR1B2S2w2MEUyM2NHcVFCQjdzZ3xBQ3Jtc0ttNzhvYU81cjdOVUVJZExCbEN6VnQxUW8wdmhCQnRHUVQxMGFXb0xaTnRoeFJnNFdLWWR3OXZSQUdPVGJSQlhLek9lajBRa25nSlhjYVdTSUxjODhwdFdXNVJ6YU8zVG5kV0NXYWpjd0dUaFRVQ29oTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Faction.lincolnproject.us%2Fdonate&v=eFOKsGxhU4Y) ---
**Author:** ![vegansrock1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/vegansrock1/32/4679_2.png) [@vegansrock1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/vegansrock1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/9 "2022-07-23T05:27:37Z")
the Democrats are insulating Trump’s conspirators from criminal prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 8:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/10 "2022-07-23T08:54:50Z")
@vegansrock1, where do you come up with that? ---
**Author:** ![vegansrock1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/vegansrock1/32/4679_2.png) [@vegansrock1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/vegansrock1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 9:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/11 "2022-07-23T09:03:37Z")
focus on a handful of cronies—Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman while insulating the far broader sections of the ruling class and the state apparatus that were involved in the coup. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/12 "2022-07-23T12:16:09Z")
> [@vegansrock1](#): > > the far broader sections of the ruling class That’s vague. Not worth a follow up question ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/13 "2022-07-23T13:00:54Z")
> [@vegansrock1](#): > > focus on a handful of cronies—Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman while insulating the far broader sections of the ruling class and the state apparatus that were involved in the coup. You mean, focusing on criminals? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/14 "2022-07-23T13:55:07Z")
You can’t bring a class action suit against the ruling class. They run the court system. That’s what makes them the ruling class. They Founders warned of populism, but didn’t have a way to prevent it. Well, better education maybe. ---
**Author:** ![vegansrock1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/vegansrock1/32/4679_2.png) [@vegansrock1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/vegansrock1)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/15 "2022-07-24T01:49:59Z")
the hearings have ignored or are unwilling to pursue and investigation and answer \*why was the Capitol left so poorly protected on January 6. \*why the FBI failed to issue a threat assessment in advance of the official certification of Biden’s victory \*why the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) failed to declare the January 6 joint session of Congress a National Special Security Event (NSSE). ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/16 "2022-07-24T02:45:03Z")
> [@vegansrock1](#): > > \*why was the Capitol left so poorly protected on January 6. [Examining the U.S. Capitol Attack - Review of the Security, Planning and Response Failures on Jan 6 - Senate Report](https://www.rules.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Jan%206%20HSGAC%20Rules%20Report.pdf) > **[Why Nobody Protected the Capitol](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/capitol-police-trump-mob-capitol/)** > > The Capitol Police didn’t fail to prepare for an attack. It failed to imagine what kind of attack was coming. > **[Inside a Deadly Siege: How a String of Failures Led to a Dark Day at the...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-siege-security.html)** > > Poor planning among a constellation of government agencies and a restive crowd encouraged by President Trump set the stage for the unthinkable. > **[Capitol Police Told to Hold Back on Riot Response on Jan. 6, Report Finds...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html)** > > Despite being tipped that “Congress itself is the target” on Jan. 6, Capitol Police were ordered not to use their most powerful crowd-control weapons, according to a scathing new watchdog report. > [@vegansrock1](#): > > \*why the FBI failed to issue a threat assessment in advance of the official certification of Biden’s victory > **[Why Didn't The FBI And DHS Produce A Threat Report Ahead of The Capitol...](https://www.npr.org/2021/01/13/956359496/why-didnt-the-fbi-and-dhs-produce-a-threat-report-ahead-of-the-capitol-insurrect)** > > The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security wrote detailed threat assessments before Black Lives Matter demonstrations last summer, but offered only general warnings before the events on Jan. 6. [https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-117hhrg44854/html/CHRG-117hhrg44854.htm](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-117hhrg44854/html/CHRG-117hhrg44854.htm) > [@vegansrock1](#): > > why the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) failed to declare the January 6 joint session of Congress a National Special Security Event (NSSE). As they say, that’s an excellent question. [National Special Security Events: Fact Sheet](https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R43522.pdf) Updated January 11, 2021 > [@vegansrock1](#): > > the (Jan 6) hearings have ignored or are unwilling to pursue and investigation and answer They can’t look into everything. Also consider the public appetite, sort of another example how environment dictates creature behavior. Americans don’t want to be bothered for the most part, it seems like. _Why no better grassroots informing, educating and organizing and motivating into engaging? More excellent questions._ ---
**Author:** ![vegansrock1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/vegansrock1/32/4679_2.png) [@vegansrock1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/vegansrock1)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 7:13am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/17 "2022-07-24T07:13:25Z")
During these hearings they tried their best to avoid raising critical questions like why the Capital was poorly defended on January 6 at a time when both FBI and Homeland security knew in advance the possibility of a coup. In doing so, however, this will not only undermine their version of events, but would also expose the democrats as well. In any case it is hard to believe to the narrative of both ruling class parties in this respect. No President or leader alone can create the conditions of such scenario without the full knowledge and support of party members and security agents. They know full well that revealing the complete “truth” to the public under these circumstances would destabilize the American bourgeois political order especially at a time of growing uncertainty on all fronts. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/18 "2022-07-24T13:49:35Z")
> [@vegansrock1](#): > > No President or leader alone can create the conditions of such scenario without the full knowledge and support of party members and security agents. Yup, there is that. A lot of enablers, up-front and two faced. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/19 "2022-07-24T14:50:59Z")
> [@vegansrock1](#): > > No President or leader alone can create the conditions of such scenario without the full knowledge and support of party members and security agents. Which is why it failed. It’s why we are still a democracy. I know it’s a pain to read reports by bureaucrats, but sometimes, that’s where the work gets done. People are complaining that the hearings are a waste of time. Imagine if they were talking about some chief of police somewhere and their failure to read an intelligence report. If you are going to comment on these things @vegansrock1, you have responsibility to be informed ---
**Author:** ![arikel88](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/arikel88/32/28116_2.png) [@arikel88](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/arikel88)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698/20 "2022-07-24T16:25:27Z")
People still ahven’t found Pelosi’s laptop and Secret service is hiding because of democrats attempt to destablize the senate. Trump is innoncent. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/whats-up-with-the-secret-service-destroying-evidence-for-the-trumpkin/9698.md?page=2)