# What is the highest, most fundamental principle? **URL:** \ **Category:** Philosophy\ **Created:** [November 20, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551 "2023-11-20T06:15:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/101 "2023-11-28T19:39:17Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > Most of all, please don’t think I make this crap up. Nor condone it, I presume. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/102 "2023-11-28T20:09:54Z")
Oh hell no! I hoped you knew me better. Sanity intact here. ---
**Author:** ![zedenko77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/779978/32.png) [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/103 "2023-11-28T22:15:17Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > The left is largely responsible as it has forsaken them for promoting societal subjects and giving priorities to the minorities, cf. Hilary Clinton. HC??? Why do you lie to yourself? There is no left within the political class of USA , France etc. Maybe people are sick of being served the manure that things are ok. Are you a bidenomics guy? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/104 "2023-11-29T00:31:43Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Nor condone it, I presume. > [@coffee](#): > > Oh heck no! I hoped you knew me better. Sanity intact here. 👍🏻 They are touchy about cursing over here, once in a while I slide one in, sometime I sneak by, other times I get spanked. Welcome to the club. I think your comment was born in enthusiasm so no offense taken by me. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/105 "2023-11-29T00:37:52Z")
Sorry, I thought H-E double hockey sticks was permitted everywhere. Noted ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/106 "2023-11-29T01:00:24Z")
The above “cool it” is attached to zedenkos post ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/107 "2023-11-29T01:03:47Z")
Whew! Thanks. @citizenschallengev4 had me worried. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/108 "2023-11-29T01:06:41Z")
CC gets away with more. He has earned magical dispensation points that only mods know how to get them or how many anyone has. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:56am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/109 "2023-11-29T02:56:32Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > The 5G system initiating a nanobot in the covid vaccine that turns you into a zombie. ROFLMAO! I’ve had 6 COVID vaccines since they came out and my husband has had 5. We aren’t zombies. I don’t know how or why people believe such things. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/110 "2023-11-29T03:04:47Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > ROFLMAO! I’ve had 6 COVID vaccines since they came out and my husband has had 5. We aren’t zombies. I don’t know how or why people believe such things. Same here. It seems our schools are not teaching critical thinking skills. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/111 "2023-11-29T03:19:12Z")
The one thing I often heard college professor complain about was that schools below the college level didn’t teach students how to think. They taught them what to think, but not how to think, so profs had to teach thinking skills before they could actually teach. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:38am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/112 "2023-11-29T05:38:32Z")
> [@coffee](#): > > Whew! Thanks. @citizenschallengev4 had me worried. 😀 Yipes, sorry Lausten, I saw that right under coffee’s comment, now that I look real carefully guess there is a line just above the blue mod box. 🥴 My bad! Sorry. _I appreciate you cutting me some slack and will do my best not to abuse it._💐 ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/113 "2023-11-29T13:04:40Z")
I thought the same thing, CC. No worries. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/114 "2023-11-29T13:33:00Z")
The bottom of a post is menu of options for editing, getting the link etc. Then there’s a line. Mod comments are at the top of a post. ---
**Author:** ![lozenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lozenge/32/23405_2.png) [@lozenge](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lozenge)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/115 "2023-12-06T15:27:01Z")
@coffee @mriana > [@Socialism, Christianism and humanism](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/socialism-christianism-and-humanism/10549/6): > > There are some beautiful concepts in Christianity - love thy neighbor, for example that align well within the Humanist perspective. One quote from Abnousse Shalmani: > If spirituality takes power anywhere, it’s moral order, and then it’s arbitrariness. Because moral order is necessarily arbitrariness: to condemn people, to separate people. From [“Abnousse Shalmani, journaliste, écrivaine, et réalisatrice| Les grands entretiens d’Yves Thréard #10” (LCP Assemblée nationale)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PryD7BL3g) Original: “Si la spiritualité prend le pouvoir où que ce soit, c’est l’ordre moral, et là c’est l’arbitraire. Parce que l’ordre moral c’est forcément l’arbitraire: pour condamner les gens, pour séparer les gens.” ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/116 "2023-12-06T15:46:45Z")
> [@lozenge](#): > > One quote from Abnousse Shalmani: > > > If spirituality takes power anywhere, it’s moral order, and then it’s arbitrariness. Because moral order is necessarily arbitrariness: to condemn people, to separate people. Well, that can be true. Or it can be false (if it does not define a moral order). E.g., I used to think Buddhism might be a nice philosophy to follow. Then I saw a great documentary about blind kids climbing a mountain. I was shocked to discover that these kids were heavily discriminated against. Why? Because since they are blind they must have been a terrible person in a past life. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/117 "2023-12-06T23:16:24Z")
[What is the highest, most fundamental principle?](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551) Recognition and self-awareness of our existence. Honoring the extraordinary evolutionary history of life and living organisms from potential (the Implicate Order), to expression in reality (the Explicate Order). IMO, this is a Bohmian concept. I think David Bohm was an intellectual giant. ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/118 "2023-12-06T23:36:27Z")
To enjoy the passage of time. ---
**Author:** ![lozenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lozenge/32/23405_2.png) [@lozenge](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lozenge)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/119 "2023-12-07T02:06:04Z")
@write4u@coffee Can they stand as basis for individual and society functionning? ---
**Author:** ![coffee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/coffee/32/28536_2.png) [@coffee](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/coffee)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-is-the-highest-most-fundamental-principle/10551/120 "2023-12-07T02:08:05Z")
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