# What if the Mandelbrot set is connected to black holes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Science and Technology\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054 "2020-02-04T04:08:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pittsburghjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pittsburghjoe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/pittsburghjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/1 "2020-02-04T04:08:30Z")
Is the Mandelbrot set telling us the complex numbers within it are more than imaginary? Could those numbers be used as quantum information? Could this be the shape we would see at the core of a black hole? When a black hole feeds …it is adding to the infinite border of the Mandelbrot set. _Side Thought_: When a giant star collapses, I think it is creating a 4D Manderlbrot set. The Mandelbrot set is now associated with bifurcation charts (cyclical events that have a negative feedback loop) [This equation will change how you see the world (the logistic map) - YouTube](https://youtu.be/ovJcsL7vyrk) Sounds like a black hole to me. 3.57 cycles in a black hole and matter is turned to chaos …quantum waves in superposition. Could information being pulled into a black hole be converted to deeper define the edges of mandelbrot? Would that help the information paradox? It seems to be a core math object between -2 and 0.25 It would give it a reason to exist. _credit for animation that I reversed_: [Mandelbrot Resequenced Tomograph by pifactorial on DeviantArt](https://www.deviantart.com/pifactorial/art/Mandelbrot-Resequenced-Tomograph-340425059) ---
**Author:** ![pittsburghjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pittsburghjoe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/pittsburghjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/2 "2020-02-04T08:02:43Z")
Maybe it could just get caked onto the existing infinite border. Maybe this is where the holographic principle actually lives instead of the surface.   extra side thought: I think all quantum waves could be the result of 3.57 cycles of bifurcation. Chaos sure seems to be the same thing as superposition. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/3 "2020-02-04T08:18:12Z")
Welcome Joseph… 🙂 Thanks for that interesting perspective. This’ll need some study. An intuitive impression ; AFAIK a black hole is a spiral construct. If so, it would have both Pi and Phi in its very dynamic structure and would fractal in essence. The Fibonacci sequence is important in keeping vertical growth structures in balance. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/0/0108e55c03ab4685fad4fe3a54b3eecaf7a8b3c7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![pittsburghjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@pittsburghjoe](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/pittsburghjoe)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/4 "2020-02-04T22:28:33Z")
Quaternions might get involved [Visualizing quaternions (4d numbers) with stereographic projection - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4EgbgTm0Bg) A 2D cross-section of the 4D quaternion Mandelbrot set as it is rotated 360 degrees in the XW-plane. Looks like a black hole [Quaternion Mandelbrot set rotated in XW-plane - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr_bFbn-DME) A Quaternion Mandelbrot [Fractal 3D - Mandelbrot Quaternion - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-K4Lk98m38) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/5 "2020-02-06T00:53:41Z")
Good illustrative links! p.s. Looks like you solved your posting problems… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/6 "2020-02-14T02:05:50Z")
Talking about Black Holes. This may be of interest. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNnjFM8x9lM) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/7 "2020-02-14T16:03:17Z")
In furtherance of the importance of BH, we could propose a toroidal universe with a super massive center which is a Black Hole entrance and a White Hole exit, creating a continuously recycling universe with conservation of energy and an accounting of all the known universal “constants” as we know them. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/3/8/3870b58a3c94c65c1e990bf3f4d07833c52f3a05.jpeg "William Brown: Toroidal Geometry Of The Universe") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_eJElECcSQ) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/8 "2020-02-14T16:17:23Z")
Assume that the shape of the universe is toroidal. This gives us the four known forces of Gravity, Electromagnetism, the Strong and Weak nuclear forces plus the forward motion of Time. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/a/0/a0cc611915b108aff05aa3ed1198f05f84bd738a.jpeg "Shape of the Universe - Orange Theory") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGqC_iqlQg) In addition this provides “conservation of energy”, while providing a constant renewal without an eventual the need for a static (dead) universe and accounts for “expansion and contraction” of spacetime. Seems that such a configuration would account for just about everything we know about the universe.   ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/9 "2020-02-21T12:58:20Z")
Obviously, the dark part of the Mandelbrot set is completely filled with fractal reiterations down to Planck scale. And if spacetime is fractal, then a Black Hole should be that fractal part which is completely filled with fractal stuff. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/what-if-the-mandelbrot-set-is-connected-to-black-holes/7054/10 "2023-06-12T18:33:30Z")
An update of the concept of a toroidal universe. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/2/d/2d473a989465040f97a2cb222c09da1a1abbf791.jpeg) > ### Smaller-Scale Toruses > > Torus-shaped energy fields don’t just exist at the universal scale; they exist at every scale of reality… > > This video shows that our Local Group of galaxies is located near the centre of a 1.7 billion light-year-wide toroidal energy flow between the Dipole Repeller and the Shapley Attractor. [https://evolvingsouls.com/wp-content/uploads/Dipole-RepellerShapley-Attractor.mp4](https://evolvingsouls.com/wp-content/uploads/Dipole-RepellerShapley-Attractor.mp4) > **[The Toroidal Universe: A geometric theory of space-time](https://evolvingsouls.com/blog/toroidal-universe/)** > > The Toroidal Universe theory proposes that the universe appears to be expanding because space dynamically flows with the geometry of a torus.