# We have chosen to be chipped **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747 "2022-08-06T01:35:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cuthbertj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/cuthbertj/32/18_2.png) [@cuthbertj](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/cuthbertj)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/21 "2022-08-10T16:51:47Z")
You’re completely missing the point. Forget the company, might have been some other company, but the film was about how various companies, social media companies especially, track our every online move, even how long you stay on an ad, or a post, etc. Then they data crunch to find patterns to suggest other ads, and so on. I’m not even sure you understand what propaganda is - what belief system would a social media exec be propagandizing by telling everyone to beware of how online companies are using your online activities? Police officer: hey kids, don’t talk to strangers. Propaganda in your mind I guess. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/22 "2022-08-10T18:12:18Z")
Let’s face it. Privacy is no longer an inherent right. Insurance companies know more about you than you do. It’s unavoidable when wi-fi communication is the norm. There used to be a practice of phone-tapping. Today every phone call is tapped and stored in the cloud by the service providers. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:40am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/23 "2022-08-11T06:40:15Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > There used to be a practice of phone-tapping. Today every phone call is tapped and stored in the cloud by the service providers. Yes and, as far as I know, there is conflict between USA and Europe : USA want that the US companies make available to the US government every data they have and Europe does not want. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/24 "2022-08-11T13:43:51Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > Yes and, as far as I know, there is conflict between USA and Europe : USA want that the US companies make available to the US government every data they have and Europe does not want. Then, if one is so worried about it, don’t get a cell phone, don’t get internet, or do/get anything that connects one to the grid and they can’t get data on you. In essences, live in the wildness with no one around you. There are great areas of people living distances apart in southern Missouri, where internet and cell phone use is out of range. One is lucky if they can get even a landline. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/25 "2022-08-11T14:13:30Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > Facebook? ROFL That’s one of the biggest propaganda machines and fighting the propaganda there is hard. The key word there is “former”. There are many people who have left social media companies and are talking about the strategies of those companies. They couldn’t in good conscious remain employed there. The Social Dilemma movie has other experts too, like Jonathan Haidt, whom I’ve referenced before. > **[The Social Dilemma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Dilemma)** > > The Social Dilemma is a 2020 American docudrama film directed by Jeff Orlowski and written by Orlowski, Davis Coombe, and Vickie Curtis about the negative social effects of social media. > This documentary dives into the psychological underpinnings and the manipulation techniques by which, it claims, social media and technology companies addict users. People's online activity is watched, tracked, and measured by these companies, who then use this data to build artificial intelligence models tha... > The dangers of [fake news](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news) are also discussed in the documentary. Harris argues that this is a “disinformation-for-profit business model” and that companies make more money by allowing “unregulated messages to reach anyone for the best price”. According to a study conducted by the [Massachusetts Institute of Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology), fake news on [Twitter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter) spreads six times faster than true news.[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Dilemma#cite_note-:7-2) [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia) is mentioned as a neutral landscape that shows all users the exact same page without tailoring it for the individual or monetizing it. And, it doesn’t matter that not everyone is hooked on it. They only need to attract a few who pass it along, either with the links and retweets, or in person. For those who either don’t have google, or don’t use it, or don’t have good research skills, telling them a story about child-sex-rings, and saying you have a source, is enough. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 1:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/26 "2022-08-12T01:43:09Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > There used to be a practice of phone-tapping. Today every phone call is tapped and stored in the cloud by the service providers. Not only phone calls but all other data on one’s phone. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/27 "2022-08-12T04:17:21Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > And, it doesn’t matter that not everyone is hooked on it. They only need to attract a few who pass it along, either with the links and retweets, or in person. For those who either don’t have google, or don’t use it, or don’t have good research skills, telling them a story about child-sex-rings, and saying you have a source, is enough. As I said, FB is one of the biggest propaganda machines. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/28 "2022-08-12T04:43:29Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > As I said, FB is one of the biggest propaganda machines. Is it any wonder that the US has one of the lowest number of “informed citizenry”? Fox News is the mother of false propaganda and freely admits it. Their audience doesn’t care, they like the sensationalism of an alternate reality where all truth is suppressed and fake news is the replacement. This is a proto-Orwellian propaganda machine. # Jan. 6 committee reveals Trump’s Orwellian attempt to win the election ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/c/c24773547677bcaf7a1edfd4794e589b16cbf3c3.jpeg) _A man carrying zip ties climbs over steps in the U.S. Senate chamber on Jan. 6, 2021 (Win McNamee/Getty Images)._ > Anyone who’s read George Orwell’s “1984,” the dystopian novel about life in the U.S. under an authoritarian regime, knows that to survive, one had to accept whatever Big Brother said no matter how big the lie. Proof you’d come to fully embrace the all-controlling Party was to believe without question that two plus two never equaled four but always the number five. Anyone who claimed otherwise was considered a traitor and treated as such. > I think of that now knowing that despite the hours of testimony and truckloads of evidence of President Donald Trump’s attempt to overthrow the election, much of it coming from Trump loyalists, the majority of House and Senate Republicans and many Republican voters, including 50% of them here in Oregon, still swallow and spew Trump’s lie, and consider those who do not parrot his prattle like Republican Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, traitors. > Both of these conservatives are central to the committee’s investigation and both were censured by Republican party brass for having the temerity to doubt Trump’s math. more… [https://missouriindependent.com/2022/07/27/jan-6-committee-reveals-trumps-orwellian-attempt-to-win-the-election/](https://missouriindependent.com/2022/07/27/jan-6-committee-reveals-trumps-orwellian-attempt-to-win-the-election/) ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 5:06am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/29 "2022-08-12T05:06:28Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > Is it any wonder that the US has one of the lowest number of “informed citizenry”? > Fox News is the mother of false propaganda and freely admits it. Sadly no. So many seem to watch Faux News and they seem to truly believe what is said. > [@write4u](#): > > Anyone who’s read George Orwell’s “1984,” I never read the book. I keep meaning to read it, but I either can’t afford it at the time I find it or I can’t find it when I’m ready to buy it or I forget about it until someone mentions it. I’m wondering if I can find it on the library app and they send it to my phone like other ebooks I’ve ordered? ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 6:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/30 "2022-08-12T06:48:49Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > I never read the book. Youtube has an old version with Edmond O’Brien that explains the basic plot. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/5/523abdbaa71847432698d6b5a6b0514d24924aae.jpeg "1984 George Orwell - Full Movie - Hollywood best Greatest blockbuster movie Film") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCZBnUt6rZ0) The more modern version with John Hurt and Richard Burton is for rent. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/31 "2022-08-12T11:51:34Z")
Thanks. I’ll do both if I can. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/32 "2022-08-13T04:01:39Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > I never read the book. I keep meaning to read it, but I either can’t afford it at the time I find it or I can’t find it when I’m ready to buy it or I forget about it until someone mentions it. I’m wondering if I can find it on the library app and they send it to my phone like other ebooks I’ve ordered? It’s kind of a fun book but very overrated. You won’t be really missing anything if you never read it. ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/33 "2022-08-13T06:06:36Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It’s kind of a fun book but very overrated. You won’t be really missing anything if you never read it. I totally disagree : 1984 shows you the essence of totalitarianism, even if outdated about some aspects. Look at the way the Chinese government works, it is a copy, with computers added. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/34 "2022-08-13T11:49:45Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > I totally disagree : 1984 shows you the essence of totalitarianism, even if outdated about some aspects. > > Look at the way the Chinese government works, it is a copy, with computers added. This doesn’t surprise me. We are most definitely heading towards a totalitarian society, which would be a horrible. Handmaid’s Tale anyone? It’s my body, even if I’m past the age of childbearing and I want to keep my credit cards and any property I have, as well as my voting rights. We’ve always had issues with China. Communism is one of the worst forms of government, but Democratic Socialism might not be too bad. Socialism is better than totalitarianism. What would be better is a society like the one Star Trek has, where people don’t want for their basic needs and can just strive to better themselves and society. As of right now though, if we had a replicator of any sort, it would be very much like what was said about a society getting one too soon in the latest episode of Orville. The rich would have it and no one else. They have everything else, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/35 "2022-08-13T13:04:48Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It’s kind of a fun book but very overrated. You won’t be really missing anything if you never read it. 1984 Brave New World Animal Farm Fahrenheit 451 … only good for lining bird cages, right? ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/36 "2022-08-15T02:54:36Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > It’s kind of a fun book but very overrated. You won’t be really missing anything if you never read it. > > I totally disagree : 1984 shows you the essence of totalitarianism, even if outdated about some aspects. > > Look at the way the Chinese government works, it is a copy, with computers added. It is a science-fiction style of totalitarianism. Not realistic at all. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/37 "2022-08-15T02:59:35Z")
> [@mrmhead](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > It’s kind of a fun book but very overrated. You won’t be really missing anything if you never read it. > > 1984 > Brave New World > Animal Farm > Fahrenheit 451 > > … only good for lining bird cages, right? 1984 is a good sci-fi novel, nothing more. Animal Farm is much better. I haven’t read the other two. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/38 "2022-08-15T04:09:27Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It is a science-fiction style of totalitarianism. Not realistic at all. The big Lie that Biden was not legitimately elected is science fiction? ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 5:32am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/39 "2022-08-15T05:32:46Z")
[About Orwell’s 1984: quote=“thatoneguy, post:36, topic:9747”] It is a science-fiction style of totalitarianism. Not realistic at all. [/quote] - absolute supervision - control of behaviors by cameras - control of facts and history by the government - control of langage and thoughts - double think, double langage Orwell did not anticipate the power of computers. But China is methodically setting such a system. And bits of it are set up in West, shared between states and firms. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747/40 "2022-08-15T15:09:52Z")
> [@morgankane01](#): > > But China is methodically setting such a system. And bits of it are set up in West, shared between states and firms. And rewriting history has already begun in the US . [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/we-have-chosen-to-be-chipped/9747.md?page=3)