# War Drums in the Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [April 3, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850 "2021-04-03T21:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/1 "2021-04-03T21:04:51Z")
Drums of war in the Ukraine …   There are reports that Ukies are moving their armour to Donetsk and Lugansk area. The Russians are also moving their armour towards their borders adjacent to Donetsk. Both Donetsk and Lugansk have sent mobilisation papers. It seems likely something will happen as soon perhaps May i.e. after rasputitsa: H/T The Saker > **[Drums of war in the Ukraine: OPEN THREAD | The Vineyard of the Saker](https://thesaker.is/drums-of-war-in-the-ukraine-open-thread/)** > > A bird's eye view of the vineyard > **[Zerohedge](https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/frightening-escalation-looms-russia-warns-nato-against-sending-any-troops-ukraine)** > > ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev3](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev3/32/17_2.png) [@citizenschallengev3](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev3)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/2 "2021-04-04T02:03:41Z")
That’s depressing. When will they ever learn? Oh yeah, someones are making a lot of money. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/1/15738a8493b28b8654f496215f0014504d52be43.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/3 "2021-04-04T10:31:49Z")
Wasn’t political instability one of the arguments _For_ Nord Stream 2? - wasn’t there a thread about Nord Stream 2 around here somewhere? Or maybe I’m thinking of Belt and Road ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/4 "2021-04-05T23:14:54Z")
Probably not, but if so it would be over quickly unless NATO stupidly gets involved. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/5 "2021-04-11T05:18:49Z")
US sends warships to black sea. Niggling for war over Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/6 "2021-04-12T22:26:39Z")
Black Sea deployments are routine for the US Navy, but Washington is no doubt making an empty threat here. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 8:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/7 "2021-04-13T08:27:13Z")
Russian warship deployment in the gulf of mexico allowed? ---
**Author:** ![mrmhead](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mrmhead/32/19_2.png) [@mrmhead](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mrmhead)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/8 "2021-04-13T10:42:49Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/europe/ukraine-zelensky-front-lines/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/europe/ukraine-zelensky-front-lines/index.html) This article say US is “considering” moving warships into the Black Sea. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/9 "2021-04-13T16:14:01Z")
> **[Turkey Confirms U.S. Destroyers Are Headed For The Black Sea Amid...](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40118/turkey-confirms-u-s-destroyers-are-headed-for-the-black-sea-amid-russia-ukraine-crisis)** > > Two U.S. Navy destroyers will enter the Black Sea as a Russian military buildup around eastern Ukraine continues to grow. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/10 "2021-04-13T23:34:48Z")
> Russian warship deployment in the gulf of mexico allowed? Absolutely. We aren't at war and the Gulf is a big place. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 5:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/11 "2021-04-14T05:29:15Z")
I would like to see that ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/12 "2021-04-14T08:46:14Z")
Russian war ships now in Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 4:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/13 "2021-04-15T16:23:05Z")
The latest US moves against Russia - The Saker   It appears that Ukraine-Russia war is still on, in his opinion. The US is ratcheting it up. > **[The latest US moves against Russia (OPEN THREAD #11) UPDATED!!! | The...](https://thesaker.is/the-latest-us-moves-against-russia-open-thread-11/)** > > A bird's eye view of the vineyard Bad news all around today. The US has just slammed provocative sanctions against Russia even though the US ambassador to Moscow was summoned to the Foreign Ministry and clearly told that if the US imposes more sanctions there will be no meeting between Putin and Biden. Then there is this: the US has informed the Turkish authorities that they will not send two USN ships into the Black Sea. This is politically a good sign, but in military terms, this is what the US should be doing if they were preparing for war. Why? Because any USN ship in the Black Sea at the moment of the initiation of a conflict would be sunk withing minutes: not only do the Russians have formidable missiles – Bal and Bastion – they had SIX advanced diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 class ready to “greet” them. Keep in mind that engaging submarines without air cover is another form of collective suicide. So, the phone call was a deception and the US is still going down the road towards war with Russia. In my professional opinion, what I see is a joint preparation by the Ukronazis and the USA (along with the UK and Poland) to attack the Donbass and force a conflict upon Russia. Considering the extreme nature of these developments, I am reopening an open thread. The Saker PS: as for the Ukronazis, they have just used their heavy artillery (banned by the Minsk Agreements) to murder another civilian in his home. They were apparently trying to disable an electric station (a typical move by US-trained militaries before an attack). It is very hard for me to see how a war could be avoided. UPDATE: Biden has just declared a national emergency in the USA in response to the Russian threat. He will make a special address to the nation tonight. ---
**Author:** ![johncitizen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@johncitizen1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/johncitizen1)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/14 "2021-04-15T16:47:54Z")
> **[Biden declares "national emergency" over threat posed by Russia](https://www.unian.info/world/us-russia-relations-biden-declares-national-emergency-over-threat-posed-by-moscow-amp-11389615.html)** > > The U.S. president has listed Rusisa's harmul efforts in quesiton. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/15 "2022-03-30T15:55:36Z")
> [@johncitizen1](#): > > It appears that Ukraine-Russia war is still on, in his opinion. The US is ratcheting it up. What on earth is this guy talking about? The US is ratcheting things up? Where has the US fired a single shot whereas Russia is laying waste to a sovereign nation. And he dares accuse the US of warmongering? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/16 "2022-03-30T16:15:11Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > What on earth is this guy talking about? Typical bully tactics. If you flinch, then he gets to hit you twice. If you raise an arm to deflect their punch, then you are fighting. If they are holding your head underwater, just don’t struggle, then they will let you up. ---
**Author:** ![milkthecow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/milkthecow/32/18_2.png) [@milkthecow](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/milkthecow)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/17 "2022-03-30T19:12:12Z")
Excellent discussion of whataboutism and the msm’s use of it to stiffle criticism: > **[Citations Needed: Episode 66: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical...](https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-66-whataboutism-the-medias-favorite-rhetorical-shield-against-criticism-of-us-policy)** > > Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of... ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/18 "2022-03-30T21:06:09Z")
I could not stand that horrible logic. I skipped to the 17 minute mark, something about the Japanese in WW2 trying to get black America soldiers to stop fighting, because, “What about slavery”, and as they say, many nations have done something similar, then he says, “the answer is, yes you’re right, let’s investigate these imperial, colonial, racist, discriminatory societies, rather than saying, ‘oh well, you know, and hand wave it away just because that’s ‘what aboutism’ “ The problem he doesn’t’ solve is, you can’t hand wave away the current imperialism either. If you are asking the US to address crimes against humanity, that doesn’t excuse your crime. ---
**Author:** ![milkthecow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/milkthecow/32/18_2.png) [@milkthecow](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/milkthecow)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/19 "2022-03-30T22:08:01Z")
Jeremy scahill said it best at the end with the liberial wet dream regarding US exceptionalism - the big lie which fuels the hand waving away of whatabouism ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850/20 "2022-03-30T22:40:37Z")
I don’t know who these people are that you quote. They don’t add any authority to your comments. If you run your country by handing over the riches, created by the people, to your friends, there isn’t some other country that is doing that so directly and blatantly, so your “what abouts” are meaningless. I would love it if our rich people would stop participating in this, but that might require creating laws that hamper free markets. IDK, above my pay grade, but I suspect there is a better way. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/2X/4/40dfe7d4ac4e5ef6e198bc63a1a29e862864a98b.jpeg "Oligarchs - If You Don’t Know, Now You Know | The Daily Show") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEbKfysNxI) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/war-drums-in-the-ukraine/7850.md?page=2)