# The tragedy of climate change science? The broken science-society contract? Seriously?!?
**URL:** https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944
**Category:** Humanism
**Created:** [January 22, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944 "2022-01-22T17:01:08Z")
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/21 "2022-02-03T18:43:19Z")
connecting dots
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> Make climate science denial a humanist issue or get off the pot.
> **[AHA Issues Summary - American Humanist Association](https://americanhumanist.org/key-issues/statements-and-resolutions/issuessummary/)**
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> Adopted by the Board of Directors Resolution 2012-001 These issues were developed by staff and ratified by the AHA Board in 2012 and continue to evolve as AHA Key Issues. American Humanist Association’s Key Issues The American Humanist Association...
> ## Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism or other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good.
> **These issues were _[developed by staff and ratified by the AHA Board in 2012](https://americanhumanist.org/key-issues/statements-and-resolutions/issuessummary/)_ and continue to evolve as AHA Key Issues.**
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> - American Humanist Association’s Key Issues. …
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> - Secular Government. …
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> - **Scientific Integrity. …**
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> - Human Rights for All. …
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> - Promoting Peace. …
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> - Reproductive Freedom. …
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> - Women’s Rights. …
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> - LGBT Rights. …
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> - _Why not promoting Honesty in Public Policy Dialogue. . . . . . ._
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> Under the heading of: STOP BLAMING SCIENCE FOR OUR OWN FAILURES!
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> > It’s astounding. We keep missing the point! Humanity failed itself!
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> > Mr. Science explained the basics of climate scientific in the 1950’s and nothing, nothing has changed about the fundamental geophysical reality and the direction that reality points to! Nor the consequences of, (whichever choice we made). The science has become more informed ever since. Nothing changed about the outline, we’ve simply been increasing the resolution on the folds within folds of harmonic complexity that is our global heat engine. In so far as the science goes, scientists did what they were supposed to do.
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> > This has been a collective mass societal willful denial of fundamental science, because the consequences of doing the right thing for future generations appalled us.
> > Less growth, less greed? _“You gotta be kidding!”_
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> > _The fact of Anthropogenic Global Warming made clear to every thinking person who looked at it, is that humanity had one simple choice. Increasing Earth’s temperature will force cascading consequences that will profoundly supercharge weather, and degrade our biosphere, plus damage and destroy our infrastructure. No maybe about it._\*
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> > _{_ or you could think of the lesson stars have taught us, the bigger it is, the more it consumes, the faster it burns up, the faster it dies.}\*
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> > The choice was clear.
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> > If we cared about the wellbeing of future generations, enough to prioritize them, we needed to Power Down, less greed, less kids, less consumption, less military, less commerce, less raping our Home Planet’s biosphere.
> > Instead, more awareness towards Earth, Evolution and Deep Time, which would have given us the information that would have enabled a better appreciation of time along with sense of duty towards the welfare of this miracle planet - who’s biosphere and global heat and moisture distribution engine created us and sustains us.
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> > Instead we collectively embraced: “I hate taxes so I’m going to normalize blatant lies and slander and misrepresentation along with demonstrable fraud against science.”
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> > No one stood up to take down that sort of self-delusional, self-destructive thinking and behavior. Instead it became normalized to the point that a hollow corporate cypher like Trump is made leader of our nation, and all he wants is to trash his government.
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> > All the while the brainiacs from every branch of our society and media simply keep on talking past each other. But we regular mortal are supposed to continue kowtowing to their theater while our society falls apart around us.
Why do we so easily allow simple demonstrable facts to become irrelevant?
How can someone claim that isn’t a humanist appropriate topic of discussion?
It’s a question that strikes to heart of being a human creature navigating a complicated life.
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### Author:  [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)
#### Post date: [February 3, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/22 "2022-02-03T22:12:56Z")
A french author has an hypothesis : Humankind as a whole suffer from psychotisa. It has no limits and does not know how to restrain herself.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/23 "2022-02-04T00:20:26Z")
Oh sure, go blame “her” for it.
😼
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [February 4, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/24 "2022-02-04T01:56:44Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> Make climate science denial a humanist issue or get off the pot.
Really? That’s what you’ve been getting at? It doesn’t make sense as a challenge, and worse the way you were vague about it. What is your deal?
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### Author:  [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/25 "2022-04-09T08:43:58Z")
Yeah, really. And yes, it is senseless to challenge vague senselessness.
I easily can make climate science denial a humanist issue, because it is one; if one is a humanist then climate science is a given. Only capitalists and fundamentalists can deny it. Only the latter with any deluded integrity. That simple axiomatic truth, that given, is lost in the screeds.
Humanism is a minority pursuit.
And from my sabbatical, going forward I’ll be much more discerning in my choice of interlocutors. Starting with you. That’s a compliment.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [April 9, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/26 "2022-04-09T20:00:14Z")
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> I easily can make climate science denial a humanist issue, because it is one; if one is a humanist then climate science is a given.
Okay so we have no argument?
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> Only capitalists and fundamentalists can deny it. Only the latter with any deluded integrity.
So, if that’s a hint of what’s to come. Vague insinuations, vague claims, intellectual tap dancing, I fear you two months has been wasted. _Just saying_😘
> [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> Humanism is a minority pursuit.
So is Constructive Communication.
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### Author:  [@martin-peter-clarke](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/martin-peter-clarke)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/27 "2022-04-10T09:04:40Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> > [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> > I easily can make climate science denial a humanist issue, because it is one; if one is a humanist then climate science is a given.
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> Okay so we have no argument?
In that regard, yes.
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> > [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> > Only capitalists and fundamentalists can deny it. Only the latter with any deluded integrity.
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> So, if that’s a hint of what’s to come. Vague insinuations, vague claims, intellectual tap dancing, I fear you two months has been wasted. _Just saying_ 😘
I don’t understand. What’s vague about what I said again?
Climate science is a humanist given denied knowingly by capitalists entirely for profit and fundamentalists because they use motivational reasoning in their broken epistemology.
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> > [@martin-peter-clarke](#):
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> > Humanism is a minority pursuit.
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> So is Constructive Communication.
Agreed. Although I fail to see the relevance.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/28 "2022-04-10T14:16:58Z")
Of constructive communication?
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [April 10, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-tragedy-of-climate-change-science-the-broken-science-society-contract-seriously/8944/29 "2022-04-10T19:02:32Z")
Martin P, “My apologies for that ambiguity. I’m certainly that guy, but that’s not my hope.”
Also Martin, “I don’t understand. What’s vague about what I said again?”
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