# The point of life/living **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 28, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076 "2024-08-28T04:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/21 "2024-08-29T02:44:05Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You didn’t, in fact the science says a lot of it is the opposite. That was are just collections of matter living under the illusion that we are any more than that. What is the opposite? You do that a lot, say so-and-so “says”, but then you’re very vague. I don’t know why I answer you since you don’t ask anything that can be answered. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > I don’t know why the slime mold didn’t give up and it doesn’t matter. Then how do you know that it matters that it doesn’t matter? Why do you decide that not mattering is something that makes you feel empty and that you don’t like that feeling? You’re doing the thing that you say can’t be done and asking others to explain why they like life when you can’t explain why you don’t. You are making something mean something. We evolved to do that because something is something. I don’t know what it is or what it means, but it ain’t nothing. Even though it’s sometimes hard being something, I still choose it, mainly because it feels good sometimes. If I don’t feel good enough, I ask for help. It’s relative, but it’s all I got. I’ve been told there are things I can do to enjoy life more and tried them and found out it’s true. Doesn’t always work, but if it always worked, then we’d just be increasing enjoyment constantly and that’s just a weird fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/22 "2024-08-29T02:48:40Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > it’s like that thread I started earlier, things don’t make you feel Of course they do. Why do you keep saying that. What is a feeling? Where do they come from? Explain this statement > [@inthedarkness](#): > > one more way we withhold ourselves from the whole enchilada of life that lies before us.” What is the enchilda? What is the difference between things that we feel good experiencing and this thing we’re withholding from? Don’t just repeat nonsense, give us your comments on it. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/23 "2024-08-29T02:57:09Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > is delusional, because Do you see that the word “because” is you saying that one thing means something else? You just made meaning. Either humans do that or not. You can’t say time and space are meaningless if it means something to you that they don’t have intrinsic meaning. Not having intrinsic meaning means to me that I get to discover what life is for me. You can’t take that away from me. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/24 "2024-08-29T03:30:42Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > She was almost there. You have a great ability of missing the point. The answer to life the universe and everything could be carved in the side of a mountain and you would miss it. You quoted the misunderstanding as if it was the answer and stopped before trying the practice. > See beyond your house, Joshu answers, beyond the delusion of a separate self trapped by the false perception of what is inside and what is outside. From 2016: > [@Happiness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/happiness/4995): > > This is something I came up with while on a nature walk yesterday, and sort of related to Mozart Link’s posts, less so to Titawhatsamachina. I’m happy because I’m unhappy. I enjoy fixing things and I enjoy improving the processes of my work, not just the work itself. Sure, I’m happiest when I’m doing what I do best and people around me are supporting me and not hindering me, but to get to the point, to create those happy times, I have to tell a lot of people they are wrong, I have to admit what… ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/25 "2024-08-29T03:52:21Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > What is the opposite? You do that a lot, say so-and-so “says”, but then you’re very vague. I don’t know why I answer you since you don’t ask anything that can be answered. I told you what that is and gave you links that show otherwise, it’s not just a say so. > [@lausten](#): > > Then how do you know that it matters that it doesn’t matter? Why do you decide that not mattering is something that makes you feel empty and that you don’t like that feeling? You’re doing the thing that you say can’t be done and asking others to explain why they like life when you can’t explain why you don’t. You are making something mean something. That’s not what that means at all. I’m saying it doesn’t matter why the slime mold didn’t die, it doesn’t render life meaningful. Life lives because that’s what it does and it doesn’t stop doing it. It’s just an automatic machine, no thought. It wasn’t until humans when the thought came as to whether the machine should keep running. > [@lausten](#): > > We evolved to do that because something is something. I don’t know what it is or what it means, but it ain’t nothing. Even though it’s sometimes hard being something, I still choose it, mainly because it feels good sometimes. If I don’t feel good enough, I ask for help. It’s relative, but it’s all I got. I’ve been told there are things I can do to enjoy life more and tried them and found out it’s true. Doesn’t always work, but if it always worked, then we’d just be increasing enjoyment constantly and that’s just a weird fantasy. That’s still avoiding the infinite regress of WHY I said above. Like I said, if you ask WHY enough it erodes all of that. > [@lausten](#): > > What is the enchilda? What is the difference between things that we feel good experiencing and this thing we’re withholding from? Don’t just repeat nonsense, give us your comments on it. I’m just giving you cases to the contrary. You keep deflecting from it. > [@lausten](#): > > Do you see that the word “because” is you saying that one thing means something else? You just made meaning. Either humans do that or not. You can’t say time and space are meaningless if it means something to you that they don’t have intrinsic meaning. Not having intrinsic meaning means to me that I get to discover what life is for me. You can’t take that away from me. That’s not making meaning and you know it. Time and space are meaningless. Not having intrinsic meaning doesn’t mean you get to discover, because there is nothing there to discover. I can’t take away what never existed. You really don’t get it. > [@lausten](#): > > From 2016: That’s just more example of delusion, they aren’t living in reality. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/26 "2024-08-29T03:53:18Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > See beyond your house, Joshu answers, beyond the delusion of a separate self trapped by the false perception of what is inside and what is outside. You don’t understand what they mean by that. She argues value doesn’t exist because it’s imaginary but everything that follows is a value statement. She’s not very bright. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 3:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/27 "2024-08-29T03:54:33Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > Again, who cares? Why is seeing in color so meaningful? They don’t know. You can’t cite the experiences of these people who likely haven’t given their lives a second thought. When you have lived your life in a brown monochrome the introduction of color is a wondrous revelation. Why do people cry from this life altering experience? Because the cognitive experience of something you have only heard of is a “meaningful” experience. To see a deaf baby hear it’s mother voice for the first time and the smile of cognition is a wonderful moment for all present. If you cannot appreciate that I’m sorry. I love to be moved to tears when I see something that explains the desire for discovery. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/28 "2024-08-29T11:45:44Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > I told you what that is Engaging in dialog means sometimes I might ask to be reminded of something. Not going to apologize for that. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > That’s not what that means at all. So, there IS meaning. There you go again. If you can say that what I said DOESN’T mean what I said, then you are saying that meaning is something we can discuss. I didn’t say anything “rendered” life meaningful, you added on that meaning. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > It’s just an automatic machine, no thought. So? > [@inthedarkness](#): > > if you ask WHY enough it erodes all of that. How does it do that? How does an unanswered question change that I just felt the warmth of my first sip of coffee? > [@inthedarkness](#): > > I’m just giving you cases to the contrary. The “whole enchilada” is not a case. You are throwing out phrases and not thinking about them. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > That’s not making meaning and you know it. What does the word “because” mean then? > [@inthedarkness](#): > > You really don’t get it. Be nice. you came here with questions. I don’t claim to have all the answers or an ultimate answer and I admit my limits and that I can be wrong. We’re just talking here. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > because there is nothing there to discover What? Now matter doesn’t exist? If we are machines, then we are made of something and we exist. Existence is a completely different discussion. I didn’t say I could fly around in space and find meaning, I just said I could move, my machinery includes movement. It also has sensations. Do those exist or not? Can I taste something and think about whether or not it will be good or bad for my machinery? Can I choose to swallow or spit it out? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 12:57pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/29 "2024-08-29T12:57:10Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You don’t understand what they mean by that. > > She argues value doesn’t exist because it’s imaginary but everything that follows is a value statement. She’s not very bright. You’re right. I don’t understand it. But understanding is the booby prize. I can only answer one why, and understand that question, then there’s another why. She doesn’t say “because it’s imaginary”. I only skimmed it yesterday because I had shopping and a meeting to get to. Which is ironic because that’s exactly what she is talking about, living my life, instead of imagining there is some other life that I should understand and/or be living. Here are my thoughts on her excellent essay in detail. It starts with a description of seeing disorder caused by nature and the desire to fight against entropy. Then the big question, “is it getting in the way of my life?” But she knows the question assumes that something else is “life” and raking leaves is not it. The “imaginary life” she describes is the thoughts she has about what life should be, not what it is, which at that moment, is raking leaves. This is what you see so many people doing, and you are right. People imagine life is something else and don’t “look into the void” as you call it. But, keep reading. She puts it in big bold letters, that people think the daily tasks of life are somehow not good enough, “beneath them”, that the only “real” life is the one that has greater meaning. Then the wisdom tradition is told. That’s the hard part. The part that doesn’t have simple words but needs a longer story to help grasp it. It includes a koan, a paradox, that shows logic is not adequate, that we can’t “explain” life. But, we can practice living while doing the laundry. BTW, you are the monk in the story, the one who wants to understand the shirt. But as she says, “the shirt is just a shirt”. So, we get to the enchilada but you’ve skipped the practice, so you don’t know what the enchilada is. You think it’s an ultimate meaning, but then you find there is no answer to the “why” after a bunch of “whys”, so you conclude it’s nothing. You looked for greater meaning and didn’t find it, missing the enchilada. At that point, you are the same as the person who tries to find meaning in beer and football. Now you “can’t shake it”. The enchilada is still there and you’re still missing it. As she says, you would rather eat your own inflated self-importance. You aren’t important to the universe, you don’t matter. You can claim that having that realization made your feelings shut down. You take your own living out of the equation and are left with nothing. She answers the question of “why cook”, which is the beginning of the regress of “whys”. But if you are only satisfied with an answer to the final why that no one can answer, then you miss every answer before that. You miss that living with each “why” is the point. As Joshu answered, “The oak tree”. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/30 "2024-08-29T17:44:05Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > When you have lived your life in a brown monochrome the introduction of color is a wondrous revelation. Why do people cry from this life altering experience? Because they lack perspective. THere is nothing about that experience that would lead them to do so, like that thread I mentioned said “Things don’t make you feel” because the emotions come from you not the event or object. > [@write4u](#): > > To see a deaf baby hear it’s mother voice for the first time and the smile of cognition is a wonderful moment for all present. If you cannot appreciate that I’m sorry. > > I love to be moved to tears when I see something that explains the desire for discovery. See the above. > [@lausten](#): > > The “whole enchilada” is not a case. You are throwing out phrases and not thinking about them. You missed links I posted including that one on Huffpost. > [@lausten](#): > > What? Now matter doesn’t exist? If we are machines, then we are made of something and we exist. Existence is a completely different discussion. I didn’t say I could fly around in space and find meaning, I just said I could move, my machinery includes movement. It also has sensations. Do those exist or not? Can I taste something and think about whether or not it will be good or bad for my machinery? Can I choose to swallow or spit it out? You flew right past the point I was making. It has nothing to do with matter existing. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/31 "2024-08-29T17:51:37Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > Things don’t make you feel” because the emotions come from you not the event or object. They come from your brain, but are triggered by cognition or memory stored in the brain. > An **engram** is a unit of cognitive information imprinted in a physical substance, theorized to be the means by which memories are stored as biophysical or biochemical changes in the brain or other biological tissue, **in response to external stimuli.** [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engram_(neuropsychology)) What is the concept of engram? > An “engram” refers to **the enduring offline physical and/or chemical changes that were elicited by learning and underlie the newly formed memory associations**. “Engram cells” are populations of cells that constitute critical cellular components of a given engram. ### Memory engrams: Recalling the past and imagining the future. > **[Memory engrams: Recalling the past and imagining the future](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7577560/)** > > The idea that memory is stored as enduring changes in the brain dates back at least to the time of Plato and Aristotle (circa 350 BCE), but its scientific articulation emerged in the 20th century when Richard Semon introduced the term “engram” to ... ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/32 "2024-08-29T17:53:08Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > She doesn’t say “because it’s imaginary”. I only skimmed it yesterday because I had shopping and a meeting to get to. Which is ironic because that’s exactly what she is talking about, living my life, instead of imagining there is some other life that I should understand and/or be living. Here are my thoughts on her excellent essay in detail. Thinking it’s excellent means you didn’t get it, it runs counter to what you’re saying. She’s saying nothing is worth anything because worth is imaginary, a product of our judging minds. But then she goes on to make a judgment about the marvel of our being. > [@lausten](#): > > The “imaginary life” she describes is the thoughts she has about what life should be, not what it is, which at that moment, is raking leaves. This is what you see so many people doing, and you are right. People imagine life is something else and don’t “look into the void” as you call it. But, keep reading. > > She puts it in big bold letters, that people think the daily tasks of life are somehow not good enough, “beneath them”, that the only “real” life is the one that has greater meaning. No. That still runs counter to saying worth is imaginary. Literally everything she talks about is ascribing meaning to the small things. If you want to see life as it is you have to throw all that out. Life as it is is empty. > [@lausten](#): > > She answers the question of “why cook”, which is the beginning of the regress of “whys”. But if you are only satisfied with an answer to the final why that no one can answer, then you miss every answer before that. You miss that living with each “why” is the point. As Joshu answered, “The oak tree”. And that’s incorrect. Like I said, she got close but then ducked out at the end of it. She’s attributing meaning to everything despite saying otherwise. The living isn’t the point or the value or the question. All that is wrong. That’s just meaning she thinks it has. There is no enchilada. It was never real. That’s why I said she got close then backed out with the rest of it. Also that line of the enchilada was about another article saying that trying to figure out “who we are” is limiting ourselves from the whole enchilada of life because to do that we have to cut things out or say we don’t like or want this. She doesn’t see she’s doing the very thing she’s arguing against and thus tricked herself in thinking she dealt with the question when she’s living the same delusion everyone else is. And so far you have just shown you don’t understand the question or the nature of the issue or the infinite regress, especially if that’s what you got from that link. You didn’t get it at all, you didn’t see the flaws in her reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/33 "2024-08-29T17:53:43Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You flew right past the point I was making. It has nothing to do with matter existing. Or, could it be you failed to make your point clearly. Or, maybe I’m stupid. Explain it to me like I’m a fifth grader. What is it that doesn’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/34 "2024-08-29T17:53:53Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > They come from your brain, but are triggered by cognition or memory stored in the brain. So what’s your point? That still says the things don’t make you feel nor the events. The feelings come from you not anything outside of you. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/35 "2024-08-29T18:00:17Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > you don’t understand the question or the nature of the issue or the infinite regress, What is your question? You have switched to trying to convince me of something. You once asked what to do about the lack of meaning and your not feeling any joy or sorrow. You said the Happiness site had flaws in its logic, but now you are defending it. What is it you want? Validation? Enlightenment? A good laugh? Attention? > [@inthedarkness](#): > > The feelings come from you not anything outside of you. Agreed. And the universe has no intrinsic meaning. Now what? ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/36 "2024-08-29T18:01:06Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > > [@write4u](#): > > > > They come from your brain, but are triggered by cognition or memory stored in the brain. > > So what’s your point? That still says the things don’t make you feel nor the events. The feelings come from you not anything outside of you. Do you understand the term “triggered”? Do you understand the term “action potential”? If not, I suggest you look up those terms. They are fundamental to any discussion of “experience”. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/37 "2024-08-29T18:17:08Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > that one on Huffpost. That one was not as good. It mentions separateness but mostly it’s just playing with words. Sexual attraction is species specific. Obviously evolution gets us to mate, or we wouldn’t be here. Obviously makeup is an illusion of beauty, by definition of makeup. You are too easily taken down a rabbit hole by this word “illusion”. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/38 "2024-08-29T18:35:22Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > What is your question? You have switched to trying to convince me of something. You once asked what to do about the lack of meaning and your not feeling any joy or sorrow. You said the Happiness site had flaws in its logic, but now you are defending it. What is it you want? Validation? Enlightenment? A good laugh? Attention? I say that but now I’m not sure because it feels like I see evidence of their claims everywhere. That it’s not the music making me feel and I’m not getting lost in it but just making myself feel that. And I don’t know what to do with that. > [@lausten](#): > > Agreed. And the universe has no intrinsic meaning. Now what? I don’t know. That’s what shut out my emotions to begin with because it wasn’t ocean calming me down and taking me away. > [@lausten](#): > > You are too easily taken down a rabbit hole by this word “illusion”. Illusion is a scary word especially after I read about solipsism. > [@write4u](#): > > Do you understand the term “triggered”? > Do you understand the term “action potential”? > > If not, I suggest you look up those terms. They are fundamental to any discussion of “experience” But they still prove the original point that things don’t make you feel. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/39 "2024-08-29T19:17:47Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > just making myself feel that I don’t know how to do that. I can act, but that’s not the same as feeling. I can’t stop feelings. I have some self control but some feelings come strong. Who is the you that is making these feelings. Your feelings aren’t a separate thing. Sort this out for me. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/40 "2024-08-29T22:39:48Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > But they still prove the original point that things don’t make you feel. Yes they do! Just touch something and you will feel it. **Touch is a sensory experience, a feeling.** **Seeing is a sensory experience, a feeling.** Blind people often “see” by touch. Blind people often “see” by sound. Whales and dolphins can “see” via sonar **Hearing is a sensory experience, a feeling.** Moths can hear the high-frequency of their mainpredator, bats. With the help of technology, we can hear the universe With the help of technology , we can communicate with the world. **Smelling is a sensory experience, a feeling.** Bloodhounds can smell single day old molecules to track a person. **Feeling is an experience and the world is full with experiential feelings.** You are making these sweeping statements that are simply not true. You will have to look a little deeper to make _ **sense** _ of your environment and acquire some feeling. You may even find some answers on your own, instead of rejection advice given in the spirit of good-will. It’s really tiresome, getting bombarded by your refusal to “listen”, a _ **Feeling!** _ [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076.md?page=3)