# The point of life/living **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 28, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076 "2024-08-28T04:28:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/242 "2024-09-28T22:22:37Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > Have you tried Health and Human services in Colorado or the equivalent of that? I think this is it: [https://cdhs.colorado.gov/](https://cdhs.colorado.gov/) I have mixed feelings about the crisis service because while they were effective in answering my call to them they were also the same that referred me to the shit people I’m seeing now. It looks like I’m out of luck since that’s the only center they have in Freemont country (Solvista). I was browsing through the site but the services they offer aren’t what I need. They don’t do that life skills thing for people on the spectrum and the people that do is a different service (Rocky mountain behavioral) that isn’t returning my contact attempts. Like… I don’t know who else to ask or what else to do now, I feel like I’m burning through all my options and they SUCK. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/243 "2024-09-29T01:47:31Z")
You may have to look up mental health services in your area and see what all they have to offer and whether or not they take Medicaid. That’s all you can do. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/244 "2024-09-29T03:22:04Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > have mixed feelings about the crisis service because while they were effective in answering my call to them they were also the same that referred me to the shit people I’m seeing now. So you had a bad experience with a government agency and you’ve decided the entire agency will always give you bad service. Do you see a flaw in the logic. And, your problem is you are argumentative and hard to please, so I’m not surprised you have the judgments. I have no way of knowing if it’s you or them that is the problem. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/245 "2024-09-29T04:39:01Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > So you had a bad experience with a government agency and you’ve decided the entire agency will always give you bad service. Do you see a flaw in the logic. And, your problem is you are argumentative and hard to please, so I’m not surprised you have the judgments. I have no way of knowing if it’s you or them that is the problem. Well considering I don’t get responses from them I don’t have a very high opinion of them. I already tried to collect unemployment from the state and it never went through even though I gave them everything they asked for. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/246 "2024-09-29T09:51:44Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > I already tried to collect unemployment from the state and it never went through even though I gave them everything they asked for. Get a social worker. It is their job to help people in your circumstances. They will work for you and they know the system. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 10:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/247 "2024-09-29T10:29:54Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > even though I gave them everything they asked for. I can’t adjudicate your claims. I don’t know if qualified. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/248 "2024-09-29T19:32:41Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I can’t adjudicate your claims. I don’t know if qualified. I did, but they keep asking for more documents even though I’ve given them everything. > [@write4u](#): > > Get a social worker. It is their job to help people in your circumstances. They will work for you and they know the system. Aren’t they overloaded and overburdened? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/249 "2024-09-29T21:21:27Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > I did There is no point in telling me. I’m not going to drive out there and fix this for you. Use your energy more wisely. Don’t get mad get even. Advocate for yourself. Tell your story to podcaster and go viral. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/250 "2024-09-30T00:18:22Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Tell your story to podcaster and go viral. That’ll never work. > [@lausten](#): > > Don’t get mad get even. Advocate for yourself. Get even how? There’s no one I can contact in regards to this, no one replies back to me. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/251 "2024-09-30T01:26:45Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > That’ll never work. I’ve given you about 10 suggestions. That one was a throw away. But there’s no way that a government agency is ignoring you and there’s no recourse. You’re saying things now that contradict your early statements so I don’t trust you anyway. Stop bothering this forum with things we can’t fix. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/252 "2024-09-30T03:18:13Z")
This topic is set so users can only post once every 12 hours ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/253 "2024-09-30T18:06:42Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > But there’s no way that a government agency is ignoring you and there’s no recourse. You’re saying things now that contradict your early statements so I don’t trust you anyway. I don’t think you’ve had much experience with government agencies if you think there is recourse for them ignoring you. I’ve worked in relation to that system and see how easy it is to ignore people and there’s not much you can do about it. Heck Last Week Tonight does a segment about it every other week. You might have given me 10 different suggestions but like I told you they don’t or haven’t worked. I really think you have more faith in these systems than what they’re actually able to do. I’ve already told you, I keep messaging them and nothing happens. They DON’T respond. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/254 "2024-09-30T19:24:20Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > I don’t think you’ve had much experience with government agencies if you think there is recourse for them ignoring you. > [@inthedarkness](#): > > They DON’T respond. Oh PLEASE! I spent over eighteen years trying to get child support out of my ex for our two sons. Trust me. I had Child Support Enforcement and Family Services on his butt and when I thought they were going to let my sons and me down, I got on them. His wages were garnished, then he’d quit his job to avoid paying. Tell you what, they didn’t ignore me. I also had an attorney and I tell you what, if you win, any money you receive comes out of that and if you lose, then you owe nothing. One can work the system if they find the right person to help them. You just need to find the right person to help you. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/255 "2024-09-30T19:40:50Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > I keep messaging them and nothing happens. They DON’T respond. I thought about the “Last Week” show as i typed that. 1. I worked in government so I know you can keep going up the chain until you get action. 2. You text the same number repeatedly? Text a different one. Text your mayor, a politician, a non-profit advocate,… 3. Is this your real experience or are you listening to podcasts and believing you are a victim? 4. I have seen people use government programs and go from homeless to homeowners. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 6:07am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/256 "2024-10-01T06:07:38Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > Oh PLEASE! I spent over eighteen years trying to get child support out of my ex for our two sons. Trust me. I had Child Support Enforcement and Family Services on his butt and when I thought they were going to let my sons and me down, I got on them. His wages were garnished, then he’d quit his job to avoid paying. Tell you what, they didn’t ignore me. I also had an attorney and I tell you what, if you win, any money you receive comes out of that and if you lose, then you owe nothing. One can work the system if they find the right person to help them. You just need to find the right person to help you. You sound like you got lucky. I’ve heard hundreds of horror stories about being so caught in the endless hell that is the red tape of government programs that nothing ends up getting resolved. That’s me with unemployment for colorado, I qualify but every time I send them something they need more and more. No matter how many documents I fax, email, or even just mail to them there is always something more. It never ends. Working the system sounds more like the few people who are lucky enough not to get caught in the web. Most just get tied up or left behind, like me. > [@lausten](#): > > - You text the same number repeatedly? Text a different one. Text your mayor, a politician, a non-profit advocate,… > - Is this your real experience or are you listening to podcasts and believing you are a victim? > - I have seen people use government programs and go from homeless to homeowners. All worthless. I’ve messaged the county, the state, advocacy groups. I’m really starting to doubt you have done this before because in my experience all these folks are less than worthless. It reminds me of Sunserve in Florida for LGBT people and how I was always ignored for assistance no matter how many e-mails or phone calls I sent them. The people who use government assistance and go from homeless to homeowners is slim. Most just eek by. I know because I worked at wal-mart and the assistance for food they are given barely covers anything and they often have to put stuff back. Both of you wildly overestimate the help people provide, but in my own experience I’ve mostly know such groups or orgs FAILING me every time. Colorado has been the worst offender. Not even a denial reply from them. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/257 "2024-10-01T12:03:00Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > Both of you wildly overestimate the help people provide, but in my own experience I’ve mostly know such groups or orgs FAILING me every time. I’m aware of the problems of our government. I can also simply look at the budgets and see the money is going somewhere. As I said, I worked in government. I also worked in a company that helped people get their Medicaid benefits. I’m not unsympathetic, but, here’s the problem: You don’t start with your story. You say you texted someone and didn’t get a response, so I say to text someone else, then, and only then, after I’ve said it, you come back with more story of more attempts at contact. We talked about these things months ago, and you never mentioned an LGBT support group in FL. Did you google it because I showed you that such places exist, and then used that name as part of your story about a place that ignored you? Are you claiming that this place, with a budget, with a contact form, does nothing but ignore anyone who contacts them? You bring up seeing people who aren’t getting enough food assistance. Again, I know that happens. I know there are people who are dying of starvation in this country of abundance. I’ve studied that, I’ve sent food to the places that try to help them. I’m not stupid. But you seem to think I am. I get that you are living on the edge, scraping by, but you haven’t complained much about hunger. So why bring it up all of a sudden? What are you trying to prove? I can’t remember the podcast, but I heard a great distinction once. A guy worked with boys who had disadvantages due to where they were born. He knew the Republican approach, of having people pull themselves up by their own bootstraps was bankrupt, and he saw the Democrat approach as equally failing because it focused on societal ills and helping victims but only after they became victims. Democratic programs don’t focus as much on empowering individuals. In his position, he recognized the societal problems, but when he spoke to a young person, he spoke to their ability to overcome those limitations. He knew that there was plenty of support and information for those boys to internalize the victim mentality, to believe their status was not their fault and that there was nothing they could do about it and nobody cared about them. He knew they had fewer opportunities, so he encouraged them to recognize any opportunity and take advantage, instead of claiming the opportunity wasn’t good enough or the agency had not returned phone calls before or some other program didn’t work for their friends or the whole world was out to get them and nothing will ever get better. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 12:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/258 "2024-10-01T12:03:14Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You sound like you got lucky. No, I didn’t. I still didn’t get the child support and he didn’t go to jail for it. He did go to prison for other things though. So, it worked out, but he owes me enough child support that I could have put both my boys through college. I wasn’t ignored though. ---
**Author:** ![inthedarkness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/inthedarkness/32/23404_2.png) [@inthedarkness](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/inthedarkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/259 "2024-10-01T22:46:40Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > You don’t start with your story. You say you texted someone and didn’t get a response, so I say to text someone else, then, and only then, after I’ve said it, you come back with more story of more attempts at contact. We talked about these things months ago, and you never mentioned an LGBT support group in FL. Did you google it because I showed you that such places exist, and then used that name as part of your story about a place that ignored you? Are you claiming that this place, with a budget, with a contact form, does nothing but ignore anyone who contacts them? I did google it and the response is what I told you, no one cares. I must have e-mail them 3 times each already. Yes I’m claiming that and so do others. Where do you thing the stereotype of government programs being ineffective comes from? I thought they were joking until I started using them. There is no one to complain to. I also googled it and turns out there is no recourse for a therapist lying to you, they are allowed to do that if they think it’s in the interest of protecting life. So yes, they can lie to me and there’s nothing I can do about it or do to prove it. It would be my word against theirs and as someone with a history of suicide and depression they won’t take mine. > [@lausten](#): > > So why bring it up all of a sudden? What are you trying to prove? To highlight how often such programs fail people. > [@lausten](#): > > He knew that there was plenty of support and information for those boys to internalize the victim mentality, to believe their status was not their fault and that there was nothing they could do about it and nobody cared about them. He’s mistaken then. For a lot of people it’s not their fault and there is nothing they can do because the system itself is broken and not made for their success. The “democratic” view is closer to reality, this isn’t some middle ground issue. > [@lausten](#): > > He knew they had fewer opportunities, so he encouraged them to recognize any opportunity and take advantage, instead of claiming the opportunity wasn’t good enough or the agency had not returned phone calls before or some other program didn’t work for their friends or the whole world was out to get them and nothing will ever get better. Sounds like he didn’t know much if that was the case. A lot of these opportunities aren’t good enough, most jobs don’t let you make enough to live on your own, you need roommates and even then it’s hard. My siblings are like that now, if my dad wasn’t around for support there is no way they’d make it. In a sense the world is “out to get you” because the system itself is broken. This isn’t news, anyone who’s taken sociology in college knows that. Dude needs to get a clue. > [@mriana](#): > > No, I didn’t. I still didn’t get the child support and he didn’t go to jail for it. He did go to prison for other things though. So, it worked out, but he owes me enough child support that I could have put both my boys through college. I wasn’t ignored though. You did, you really did. This is the “it worked for me so it should for you”. Tons get ignored, you’re just the lucky ones who didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/260 "2024-10-02T00:58:22Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You did, you really did. This is the “it worked for me so it should for you”. Tons get ignored, you’re just the lucky ones who didn’t. I put a lot of effort in making the sperm donor/ex-husband support his sons, but he still didn’t pay and got away with it, IMO. But I had people talking to me and helping me get my sons what they needed when they were children. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076/261 "2024-10-02T01:22:39Z")
> [@inthedarkness](#): > > You did, you really did. This is the “it worked for me so it should for you”. Tons get ignored, you’re just the lucky ones who didn’t. You need to work on your trust issues. Find somebody you can trust, you have the entire world at your fingertips. There is someone out there who would like you for their own “needs” and that you could fill just for being you. To know that you are not unique in your feelings of doubt and can find a friend who accepts you as you are and makes it a goal to dedicate an effort to “support and encourage” you. “A friend (when) in need, is a friend indeed” [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-point-of-life-living/11076.md?page=14)