# The people and Conservatives responsabilities
**URL:** https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648
**Category:** Politics and Social Issues
**Created:** [January 6, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648 "2024-01-06T11:11:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 17
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/21 "2024-01-10T15:31:54Z")
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> Some advice. Post one link and discuss rather than wall papering the screen with links . Otherwise no one will take their time to be bothered with you
Too much for you to read?
Guess you didn’t notice they spanned years and demonstrate a consistent progression off a very sick man, who happens to have become the criminal defendant trump’s main brain-trust.
So sorry, lots of information out there to digest. Not like FOX where you can get your bite sized pieces and you get bonus of not have to do any thinking. _Nothing to see here folks move along._
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> These sort of actions give this statement a big NO NO
Oh but having a NAZI-wannabe as the criminal defendant trump’s brain-trust doesn’t seem to bother you in the least.
Oh wait a minute:
> Jan. 8, 2024, By Alex Seitz-Wald
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> … The New Hampshire attorney general’s office on Monday sent a cease-and-desist order to the Democratic National Committee after the national party demanded state Democrats “educate the public” that their upcoming presidential primary is “meaningless.”
> In its[letter to the DNC](https://www.doj.nh.gov/news/2024/documents/01082024-nhdoj-candd-to-rbc.pdf), the New Hampshire attorney general’s office declared that that demand was illegal voter suppression and warned the DNC to stop trashing their primary or risk “further enforcement action.” …
Oh gosh, telling people the upcoming GOP primary is meaningless. Oh the horror,
Your double standard is outrageous, your games are [pathetic (see #3, #4](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pathetic))
Z, why aren’t you complaining about this?
> On Capitol Hill, Republicans have [blocked Democratic attempts to pass sweeping federal legislation](https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1008737806/democrats-sweeping-voting-rights-legislation-is-headed-for-failure-in-the-senate) that would set new election standards nationwide.
> **[Map: See Which States Have Restricted Voter Access, And Which States Have...](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1026588142/map-see-which-states-have-restricted-voter-access-and-which-states-have-expanded)**
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> While several states, including Texas and Georgia, have passed new restrictive voting laws, others, like Nevada and Vermont, have increased voters' ballot access.
**[Voting Rights Lab](https://tracker.votingrightslab.org/states)**
… Dozens of states have enacted more than 200 new laws related to elections and voting, according to the organization.
Following former President Donald Trump’s baseless fraud claims and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, GOP-led states that have curtailed ballot access or made changes to election administration — like Arizona, [Florida](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/30/992277557/florida-legislature-approves-election-reform-bill-that-includes-restrictions) and [Georgia](https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/what-does-georgias-new-voting-law-sb-202-do) — have drawn most of the attention from federal lawmakers, voting advocates and the courts. [Texas](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014579306/texas-republicans-have-a-new-voting-bill-heres-whats-in-it) has just added its name to the list.
> **[Checking In With the Major Voter Suppression Laws](https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/checking-in-with-the-major-voter-suppression-laws/)**
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> Read the latest by Democracy Docket.
> **[Voting Rights Litigation Tracker](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-rights-litigation-tracker)**
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> As state legislatures enact policies to make it harder to vote, court battles loom.
> **[Republicans have already filed dozens of bills to restrict voting in 2023](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/17/voting-rights-republicans-texas-restrictions)**
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> Measures in Texas would raise criminal penalties and create voting-focused law enforcement unit
Excuse the _too many links_, but I believe in letting in the sunshine, pick and chose.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/22 "2024-01-10T15:36:46Z")
Guy, please do share some details.
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/23 "2024-01-10T21:20:19Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> Too much for you to read?
I think he wants you to keep it short so then he can more easily attack whatever you left undefended.
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### Author:  [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/24 "2024-01-10T21:41:26Z")
It’s at the stage now that obama feels the need to step in
[https://thehill.com/video/obama-‘worried’-about-biden’s-sleepy-re-election-campaign-polls-predict-doom-for-incumbent/9310763/](https://thehill.com/video/obama-%E2%80%98worried%E2%80%99-about-biden%E2%80%99s-sleepy-re-election-campaign-polls-predict-doom-for-incumbent/9310763/)
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### Author:  [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/25 "2024-01-11T03:14:27Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> Guy, please do share some details.
The article zedenko77 linked to has a decent rundown of what’s going on.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/26 "2024-01-11T13:35:04Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#):
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> > [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> > Guy, please do share some details.
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> The article zedenko77 linked to has a decent rundown of what’s going on.
That’s it?
Gotta love the double standard.
No I don’t, it’s utter contemptible and unAmerican.
And this you turn a glib blind eye to:
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> Guy, why aren’t you complaining about this?
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> > On Capitol Hill, Republicans have [blocked Democratic attempts to pass sweeping federal legislation](https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1008737806/democrats-sweeping-voting-rights-legislation-is-headed-for-failure-in-the-senate) that would set new election standards nationwide.
> > [Map Of Voting Bills By State, Restrictions And Expansions : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/13/1026588142/map-see-which-states-have-restricted-voter-access-and-which-states-have-expanded)
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> **[Voting Rights Lab](https://tracker.votingrightslab.org/states)**
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> … Dozens of states have enacted more than 200 new laws related to elections and voting, according to the organization.
>
> Following former President Donald Trump’s baseless fraud claims and efforts to overturn the 2020 election, GOP-led states that have curtailed ballot access or made changes to election administration — like Arizona, [Florida](https://www.npr.org/2021/04/30/992277557/florida-legislature-approves-election-reform-bill-that-includes-restrictions) and [Georgia](https://www.gpb.org/news/2021/03/27/what-does-georgias-new-voting-law-sb-202-do) — have drawn most of the attention from federal lawmakers, voting advocates and the courts. [Texas](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014579306/texas-republicans-have-a-new-voting-bill-heres-whats-in-it) has just added its name to the list.
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> [Checking In With the Major Voter Suppression Laws - Democracy Docket](https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/checking-in-with-the-major-voter-suppression-laws/)
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> [Voting Rights Litigation Tracker | Brennan Center for Justice](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-rights-litigation-tracker)
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> [Republicans have already filed dozens of bills to restrict voting in 2023 | US voting rights | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/17/voting-rights-republicans-texas-restrictions)
Speaking of dirty tricks, there’s more:
> **[Top 11 Republican Dirty Tricks ... SO FAR](https://www.peoplefor.org/blog-posts/top-11-republican-dirty-tricks-so-far)**
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/09/how-republican-dirty-tricks-paved-the-way-for-russian-meddling-in-2016/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2018/03/09/how-republican-dirty-tricks-paved-the-way-for-russian-meddling-in-2016/)
> **[A short history of campaign dirty tricks before Twitter and Facebook](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-short-history-of-campaign-dirty-tricks-before-twitter-and-facebook/)**
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> Elaine Kamarck writes about the dirty tricks in campaigns that preceded the recent spate of hacks and disinformation, and continue to this day both in digital and older forms. She describes their four main objectives with high-profile historical...
Yes, dirty tricks are played on both sides, but the Republicans have taken it to totally unhinged levels. Your comfort with the double standard speaks for itself.
Heil Trumpf!
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### Author:  [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/27 "2024-01-11T14:38:12Z")
The earth centrist 😄 doesnt realise the biggest voter suppression will be the many who will boycott the election. Many of young , the blacks , the arabs, the Hispanics , the anti war - the base of the Democrats , will sit this one out rather than vote for Biden or trump.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/28 "2024-01-11T14:42:55Z")
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> The earth centrist 😄 doesnt realise the biggest voter suppression will be the many who will boycott the election. Many of young , the blacks , the arabs, the Hispanics , the anti war - the base of the Democrats , will sit this one out rather than vote for Biden or trump.
We’ll see. Don’t count your chickens until they hatch!
So you think Americans should roll over, ignore elections and governance, they shouldn’t get involved because the fight is too tough and the oligarchs are too mighty. So let the bottomless cynicism reign.
Z, you seem to be rooting for us to allow totalitarians to take control for all branches of our government.
Yeah, baby that’s some plan, the oligarch love you for it.
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### Author:  [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/29 "2024-01-11T14:47:19Z")
Its the old you dont fight for me so why should i fight for you adage
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/30 "2024-01-11T15:07:08Z")
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> doesnt realise the biggest voter suppression will be the many who will boycott the election.
The Z does realize that’s been a problem for 50 years. The youth vote tanked with Nixon and is just barely recovering now. Black and Hispanics have also been a challenge for a long time, and they don’t all vote the same.
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/31 "2024-01-11T15:19:43Z")
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> Its the old you dont fight for me so why should i fight for you adage
F off.
I don’t fight for you???
You haven’t shown the slightest hint of depth or character, no sense of Fair-Play, no sense of what an honest constructive debate is about, but I’m supposed to follow you?
You’ve displayed nothing but aggressive cynicism and you got the nerve to think I should fight for _you_?
You have yet to offer anything to fight for, crying over spilled milk in melodramatic tones,?
Rather then incisively attempting to understand why the milk spilled in the first place, ain’t worth fighting for.
Besides, your cynical superficiality, there is your lack of good-faith substance. What would there be to fight for? Creating sketchy scapegoats?
_Oh and incidentally where have you been to help with my efforts?_
> **[Cc's Hall of Shame](http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/my-speciality-has-been-confronting.html)**
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> My "speciality" has been confronting climate science “skeptics” with fact based constructive debates and it usually follows the same trajec...
> **[LandscapesandCycles](http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/landscapesandcycles.html)**
>
> Jim Steele’s LandscapesAndCycles Fraud In a nutshell Jim Steele proposes that landscapes and natural cycles are more powerful drivers ...
[https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2008/08/historic-snafu-in-need-of-revisiting.html](https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2008/08/historic-snafu-in-need-of-revisiting.html)
> **[NO Village at Wolf Creek](https://no-villageatwolfcreek.blogspot.com)**
>
> An information source for conservationists wanting to become proactive in the struggle to protect Alberta Park from development. ~ ~ ~
> This is a collection of essays and information sources arguing for Mr. B.J. “Red” McCombs to retract his ill...
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### Author:  [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/32 "2024-01-11T20:56:13Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#):
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> F off.
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> I don’t fight for you???
Did you just tell me to fcuk off???
The earth centrist is so vain he thinks that the " you dont fight for me " post was about him.
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### Author:  [@zedenko77](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/zedenko77)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/33 "2024-01-11T21:15:52Z")
> [@lausten](#):
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> The Z does realize that’s been a problem for 50 years. Th
John doesnt realise it was these people that came out to vote that got biden over the line in 2020
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### Author:  [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/34 "2024-01-11T21:36:19Z")
> [@zedenko77](#):
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> Its the old you dont fight for me so why should i fight for you adage
…
I don’t fight for you???
You haven’t shown the slightest hint of depth or character, no sense of Fair-Play, no sense of what an honest constructive debate is about, but I’m supposed to follow you?
You’ve displayed nothing but aggressive cynicism and you got the nerve to think I should fight for _you_?
You have yet to offer anything to fight for, crying over spilled milk in melodramatic tones,?
Rather then incisively attempting to understand why the milk spilled in the first place, ain’t worth fighting for.
Besides, your cynical superficiality, there is your lack of good-faith substance. What would there be to fight for? Creating sketchy scapegoats?
_Oh and incidentally where have you been to help with my efforts?_
[What'sUpWithThatWatts, et al.: Cc's Hall of Shame](http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/my-speciality-has-been-confronting.html) [What'sUpWithThatWatts, et al.: LandscapesandCycles](http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/landscapesandcycles.html)
[https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2008/08/historic-snafu-in-need-of-revisiting.html](https://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2008/08/historic-snafu-in-need-of-revisiting.html)
> **[NO Village at Wolf Creek](https://no-villageatwolfcreek.blogspot.com)**
>
> An information source for conservationists wanting to become proactive in the struggle to protect Alberta Park from development. ~ ~ ~
> This is a collection of essays and information sources arguing for Mr. B.J. “Red” McCombs to retract his ill...
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### Author:  [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/35 "2024-01-12T02:51:46Z")
I can’t imagine what problem you have with that very basic, non-partisan article, but what dirty tricks? Gerrymandering is 100% legal and it happens all the time.
The DNC is just doing it on the largest scale ever seen. They even admit it. It’s as simple as that.
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/36 "2024-01-12T03:01:14Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#):
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> Gerrymandering is 100% legal
It’s been on the courts for years. It will continue to be fought.
> **[Ohio Supreme Court Dismisses Lawsuits Over Congressional Map](https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/ohio-supreme-court-dismisses-lawsuits-over-congressional-map/)**
>
> Read more here.
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### Author:  [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2024, 3:10am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-people-and-conservatives-responsabilities/10648/37 "2024-01-12T03:10:02Z")
That’s all well and good, but while the courts are busy – it’s still happening.
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