And what is Russia doing with the Wagner Group? Russia does not have nationalist mercenaries?
Wagner Group , officially PMC Wagner , Russian mercenary group that has conducted military operations around the world on behalf of the Russian government. Although private military companies are illegal in Russia, extensive ties between Wagner and Russian military and intelligence structures have long been assumed.
Read more… Wagner Group | Facts, Leader, Rebellion, & Russia-Ukraine War | Britannica
How is she normalizing it?
I’m talking about how we kicked them out of my country 70 years ago. That didn’t eliminate them from every corner of the world.
Instead of promoting them and letting the nazis filter into positions of power as what is happening in ukraine
That is why Trump is an existential threat to the US. He likes Nazis. They are “good people”.
That’s a twisted version of that history. It was an isolated and controlled alliance.
Isolated ~ western ukraine
Controlled - USA
The Jacobin article was very good. They are excellent jouranalist, on the edge of the mainstream. Did you read it? You linked it. Did you agree with its conclusion?
Quoted here,
“In truth, the Maidan Revolution remains a messy event that isn’t easy to categorize but is far from what Western audiences have been led to believe. It’s a story of liberal, pro-Western protesters, driven by legitimate grievances but largely drawn from only one-half of a polarized country, entering a temporary marriage of convenience with the far right to carry out an insurrection against a corrupt, authoritarian president. The tragedy is that it served largely to empower literal neo-Nazis while enacting only the goals of the Western powers that opportunistically lent their support — among which was the geopolitical equivalent of a predatory payday loan.”
I read them all. They were all great!!!
Whats a jew doing being in the same room with a nazi??
What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "
If you can’t understand that, you might not be ready for political discussion. How old are you? Where did you learn about history?
Defending Ukraine against the Russian invaders . Is anything wrong with that? This is a valid nationalist cause, defending the Nation against a foreign invader.
Political differences are being set aside for a more immediate crisis.
This is what makes Zelenskyy a statesman.
statesman, noun
But as we will see, Zelensky has not only ceded ground to the neo-Nazis in his midst, he has entrusted them with a front-line role in his country’s war against pro-Russian and Russian forces.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/
Just a few short years later, in the midst of a hot war with Russia, Ukraine’s Jewish president and Ukraine’s most famous living antisemite seem to have put aside their differences. As Shakespeare put it, “misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.”
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/16/zelensky-ukraines-notorious-neo-nazi/
And that is bad? What kind logic are you using? Nazi leaning Ukrainians do not have the right to defend their own country?
This has nothing to do with politics. This is war time and all able-bodied Ukrainian fighters are welcome in defense of their country and homes. And if they are willing to fight on the front lines, the better the defense.
After this damned war is over, Zelenskyy can take care of any domestic political dispute.
It a shocking reality to some that there is a rich history of zionists jews working together with the nazis
“In 1933 the German Zionist Federation sought Hitler s patronage: “Zionism hopes to be able to win the collaboration even of a government fundamentally hostile to Jews. . . . Boycott propaganda . . . currently being carried on against Germany . . . is in essence un-Zionist.” Zionism became the only other legal political movement in the Nazi Reich. That same year, the World Zionist Organization (WZO) made the Ha’avara (Transfer) Agreement, undermining the boycott against Nazi Germany. German Jewish emigrants to Palestine had to buy Nazi goods that the WZO sold in the Middle East. In 1937 the Haganah (later the Israeli army) sent an agent to Berlin. They would provide spy intelligence if the Nazis further eased the monetary regulations for emigrants to Palestine. The Zionist-Revisionist movement (today the ruling Likud Party) set up a detachment at Mussolini’s naval academy. He personally reviewed them in 1936. They wanted him to replace Britain as Zionism s patron. In 1941, the Fighters for the Freedom of Israel (later Likudniks) told the Nazis that they wanted a “Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich,” and offered “to actively take part in the war on Germany s side.” This is the sordid history documented in Lenni Brenner’s Zionism in the Age of the Dictators. This updated edition features a new afterword by the author.”
What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "
Thats an example of the Maddow type of normalisation of nazism that Tim was talking about
What do you fear most?”
"I fear that love is not enough "
No it isn’t. What do you want to do with a NAZI . kill him on sight?
Nazism
Political ideology
Description
Nazism, the common name in English for National Socialism, is the far-right totalitarian political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany. During Hitler’s rise to power in 1930s Europe, it was frequently referred to as Hitlerism. Wikipedia
Hitler is dead! So who is the new “Fuhrer”? All I see is a bunch of wannabes who are more like mobs with mob bosses.
Führer is a German word meaning “leader” or “guide”. As a political title, it is strongly associated with the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, who officially styled himself der Führer und Reichskanzler after the death of President Paul von Hindenburg and the subsequent merger of the offices of Reichspräsident and Reichskanzler. Wikipedia
This is a forum founded on the idea that we need to inquire into facts, not accept easy explanations. It is not shocking to the people you are currently engaged with. This Hitler/Zion thing is a common argument used among atheists to show how religion is corrupt. Hitler conspired with Christians too and with corporations. But that doesn’t mean Capitalism and Christianity are equal to Nazism.
We have all the information you have. We’ve studied these things, I suspect since before you were born. Take some time, get to know us. Notice how many ways we agree with you in principle. You might actually like it here.
Well is this the mia culpa we’ve been waiting for?
We’ve utterly demonstrated the Nazi problem in Ukraine on this thread.
Of course the mainstream media will have it another way.
In this regard then, too, we’ve proven the mainstream media to be a fraud.
As to whose mastery of propaganda you choose, and who is encouraging ultra-nationalism on whose soil…
It is no mistake that we can tie these currrent events directly back through the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act.
Certainly the modern American system (and here I have to own that ‘American’ is a misnomer, as it denotes two continents full of people who are not all of the same mindset; not one country in a sandwich composing the northern most of the two whose foreign policy has contaminated the world such that we have to be having this discusssion) will take a new term, for the term ‘Nazi’ is limited, as is the term ‘neo-Nazi’, as is the term ‘neocon’ and nextly ‘neoliberal’, and as we continue to grapple with what to name it what we can see is that it is dying; that a grand realignment is taking place; yet that it still has power, and how it goes down is of critical importance to the future. This is the first time that a nuclear power will be dismantled… no… the second time… still, the only nuclear power ever to have used its weapons on another population, and unapologetically, too.
There is a class of people who have built tremendous structures underground; who have invested tremendous resources in their ability to hole up for an extended sojourn breathing canned air, drinking canned water, and eating canned food. We are ready, they are thinking; let’s do this; as if the loss of a crooked crony capitalist military industrial complex that fed their ability to make these structures in the first place did not even exist; all that they can see is a red flag that they’ve been taught to fear.
Nationalism is everybody’s problem. The question really is how far do you take your nationalism? To the death? To the extinction of the world? As the capitalists are expending their dollars on any tangible assets, and they realize that even these are dubious; that an engineered society will make way for itself regardless; maybe its time to update the digital archive in your bunker:
No. I’m not agreeing with your conclusions. I’m saying i have the information you have and we share many values.
You have not done any of that. You have shown me things I already know and drawn conclusions that I don’t agree with.
No, you have not demonstrated anything but that there are Nationalist factions of different stripes all around the world.
But I do not hear anybody shouting “Heil Hitler” or “Heil Zelenskyy”
When was the last time you saw the “Nazi Salute” gesture?
We agree completely with your sentiment. But what can you do to stop this aberrant behavior?
Line them up and shoot them all if they haven’t committed any crimes per se?
Nobody but Nazis like Nazis. So what are YOU going to do about it? Play vigilante?
Again, conspiracy creation before our eyes. It’s a “conspiracy theory” because they will not engage Write4Us question. The goal of the theory is to keep it in play, keep sending people down rabbit holes. Some come back and identify the bottom of the hole, a dead end. Some say it was interesting, and say they have more questions, and that there must be something down there, and ask for more holes or dig one themselves. It feels good, like they are doing something, like they know and you don’t.
The worst part, if you don’t become a hole digger you are labeled as evil.
@Write4U, Trump supporters gave the salute. Remember the Proud Boys question in the 2020 debates?
When i get a second to read carefully through your links, something I have decreasing patience for, i almost always find something like this
" The ruling shocked human rights groups, journalists and other observers both inside and outside of Ukraine. Even the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Office of the Representative on Freedom of the Media tweeted its concern about the ruling, arguing that it “goes against #mediafreedom and could discourage journalistic work” in Ukraine."
IOW, the whole world watched this happen and agrees with you. One judge did something weird. It’s not going to bring down Western civilization. Yes, it’s bad, we should keeo an eye on this, AND WE ARE!!! We don’t need you coming to CFI and telling us we are not.
So, cut it out. Huh?
