# The Nazi Problem In Ukraine **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [August 1, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370 "2023-08-01T23:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/41 "2023-08-08T02:02:54Z")
The Russian government seems to share that same view on sticking together. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/42 "2023-08-08T02:15:06Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > You can exploit historical divisions to suit your geopolitical agenda. US and British empire time and time again - divide and conquer > > What do you fear most?” > "I fear that love is not enough " > > ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) Nobody is denying that . > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Yup, I’ll give you that. > > Though it could still be plausible that pretty much all of them also have a certain hatred for Russia, or at lease sense of terror and fear, depending … > Just say’n, given history and memories. Not that I pretend to know. > > ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/c/8/c8ae143271e2e36d32a3fa80ef87650657579793.jpeg "Depeche Mode - People Are People (Official Video)") > > [Depeche Mode - People Are People (Official Video)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4) Some do, some don’t. Certainly, Ukrainians hate Russia more now than ever before. ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/43 "2023-08-08T02:58:45Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > Ukrainians hate Russia more now than ever before. Not all. West Ukraine is the problem. And now they have pissed off the Poles. > **[Why Did Poland Suddenly Escalate Tensions in Its Relations with Ukraine?](https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/7/7167115/)** > > The unexpected escalation in relations between Poland and Ukraine could jeopardise the achievements of recent years. What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/44 "2023-08-08T05:47:36Z")
> [@timbandtech](#): > > The Nazi problem in Ukraine is not the prime reason that Russia invaded; another lie from U$. > The evil empire is U$ Show the lie. Just passing on a made-up rumor on something that important is sloppy journalism. The evil player here is Russia. Putin is bent on restoring the great soviet empire. ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 6:01am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/45 "2023-08-08T06:01:57Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > Putin is bent on restoring the great soviet empire. You say he is losing to the far weaker country Ukraine yet he is going to restore the empire. In your mind this makes sense What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 6:13am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/46 "2023-08-08T06:13:47Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > You say he is losing to the far weaker country Ukraine yet he is going to restore the empire. In your mind this makes sense That is not logical at all. I said Putin is trying to restore the former Soviet empire. He is just failing miserably in that effort. Ukraine is a big country. In terms of area, Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after Russia ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 6:29am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/47 "2023-08-08T06:29:01Z")
Its not logical agreed. Question is when did this information about empire come to you? Was it when putin was brushing his teeth or was it while he was in the lab making another batch of novichok?? What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 6:45am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/48 "2023-08-08T06:45:31Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > Its not logical agreed. Question is when did this information about empire come to you? Was it when putin was brushing his teeth or was it while he was in the lab making another batch of novichok?? Let’s see, # Restoration of empire is the endgame for Russia’s Vladimir Putin > Putin’s words speak for themselves: What he is aiming for in Ukraine is the restoration of Russia as an imperial power. > Many observers quickly picked up on one of Putin’s more provocative lines, in which he compared himself to Peter the Great, Russia’s modernizing tsar and the founder of St. Petersburg – Putin’s own birthplace – who came to power in the late 17th century > “Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years,” a relaxed and apparently self-satisfied Putin said. “On the face of it, he was at war with Sweden taking something away from it… He was not taking away anything, he was returning. This is how it was.” > **[Restoration of empire is the endgame for Putin | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/europe/russia-putin-empire-restoration-endgame-intl-cmd/index.html#)** > > Reading Russian President Vladimir Putin’s mind is rarely a straightforward task, but on occasion the Kremlin leader makes it easy. ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/49 "2023-08-08T07:33:52Z")
Weasel words dont maketh the man. Where in that video clip or print does putin say he wants restore the sovier empire ?? What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 7:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/50 "2023-08-08T07:48:45Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > Where in that video clip or print does putin say he wants restore the soviet empire ?? Did you read it? > Putin: “Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years,” a relaxed and apparently self-satisfied Putin said. “On the face of it, he was at war with Sweden taking something away from it… He was not taking away anything, he was returning. This is how it was.” ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 7:50am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/51 "2023-08-08T07:50:23Z")
Where did you get from that, that he wants to restore the soviet empire? You added this! What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/52 "2023-08-08T08:20:33Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > Where did you get from that, that he wants to restore the soviet empire? Your spin? Did Putin say he wanted to restore the Soviet Union? Putin says Russia not seeking to revive Soviet Union.Sep 30, 2022 ### Putin says Russia not seeking to revive Soviet Union - Reuters [reuters.com](http://reuters.com) [https://www.reuters.com](https://www.reuters.com) › world › europe › putin-says-r… ]([https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-not-seeking-revive-soviet-union-2022-09-30/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-not-seeking-revive-soviet-union-2022-09-30/)) Actually his ambitions are greater than that. He wants to restore the former Russian Empire. What does Putin think of the Russian empire? > Putin has made no secret of his desire to revive Russian influence throughout his country’s former imperial domains, and has publicly lamented the fall of the USSR as the “disintegration of historical Russia under the name of the Soviet Union.”Apr 25, 2023 ### Putin’s dreams of a new Russian Empire are unraveling in Ukrain > Over the past year, Russian President Vladimir Putin has [openly compared](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61767191) his invasion of Ukraine to eighteenth century Russian Czar Peter the Great’s imperial conquests, and has boasted of “returning” historically Russian lands. However, his dreams of a new Russian Empire are now in danger of unraveling as military setbacks in Ukraine undermine Moscow’s position throughout the entire former USSR. > The invasion of Ukraine has clearly not gone according to plan. Putin anticipated a short and victorious war that would extinguish Ukrainian statehood and force the country decisively back into the Russian orbit. Instead, his army has lost tens of thousands of soldiers and vast amounts of equipment while struggling to achieve its military objectives. With the war now in its fifteenth month, Russia is struggling to advance in Ukraine and finds itself subject to unprecedented international sanctions that pose a grave threat to the country’s long-term development. > **[Putin’s dreams of a new Russian Empire are unraveling in Ukraine](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire-are-unraveling-in-ukraine/#)** > > Putin saw the invasion of Ukraine as a key step toward rebuilding the Russian Empire. Instead, it has forced countries across the former Soviet Union to distance themselves from the Kremlin, writes Mark Temnycky. ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 8:30am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/53 "2023-08-08T08:30:32Z")
> [@write4u](#): > > [https://www.reuters.com](https://www.reuters.com) › world › europe › putin-says-r… > ]([Putin says Russia not seeking to revive Soviet Union | Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-not-seeking-revive-soviet-union-2022-09-30/)) > > Actually his ambitions are greater than that. He wants to restore the former Russian Empire. > > What does Putin think of the Russian empire? > > > Putin has made no secret of his desire to revive Russian influence throughout his country’s former imperial domains, and has publicly lamented the fall of the USSR as the “disintegration of Is this a skit ?? Saying no empire means empire in the alice in wonderland world What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 10:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/54 "2023-08-08T10:54:51Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > Is this a skit ?? Saying no empire means empire in the alice in wonderland world I know this is hard to take, but sometimes politicians say one thing then do the opposite. It’s called lying. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/55 "2023-08-08T12:07:15Z")
> [@timbandtech](#): > > You’d have to first recognize [Derussification in Ukraine - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derussification_in_Ukraine) I don’t think that is Putin’s goal. He wants the Ukraine and he wants to force it to be Russian, when it is not. > [@timbandtech](#): > > As propaganda can be regarded as a Nazi thing, so Rachel Maddow can take this title too. Indeed what could Russiagate be but Russophobia brought directly to the U.$. citizen? BTW, MSNBC is not propaganda. FOX is. Rachel is a very smart woman and hardly talking about a “Russia Gate” or is spreading Russian Phobia. IMHO, the stuff you share is an attempt to accept Putin’s rule and genocide of Ukrainians. > [@timbandtech](#): > > Now, people like Rachel Maddow deny the very existence of the deep state. That’s because there is no such thing as “the deep state”. Where are you getting this stuff? Wherever you’re getting it, the source is pure rubbish and not reliable. As for Ukrainians bombing civilian zones… Russia has done far more of bombing civilian zones than the Ukraine. Putin has had hospitals and schools bombed, killing women in labour, as well as children. Russians are more guilty of this than the Ukrainians. > [@timbandtech](#): > > Denial as a phenomenon possibly has to be addressed here. Well, I’m not a psychologist, so as to who has the upper grasp on how your mind works… I’m afraid we’ll have to give the deep state that credit. Yes, this is understated a bit, but squeak we must. I do have a degree in psychology, but I still don’t understand humans, especially those who fall for propaganda and continue to spread it. > [@timbandtech](#): > > I’m afraid we’ll have to give the deep state that credit. There is no such thing as the “deep state”. > [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > You are so cute, makes me want to pinch your cheek and muss your hair, > _consider it virtually done sweetie pie._ Nah, just shorten it and say to TimandTech, “Well, bless your heart!” > [@timbandtech](#): > > I don’t trust this source. As they marginalize Russia and obfuscate the linkage back to the homeland, well, as I said this is known as a ‘limited hangout’. It is a means of carrying on rather than backing down. Nah, you trust Faux News (AKA Fox News) and other like sources. Faux News has even admitted they lied to viewers. ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/56 "2023-08-08T12:30:19Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I know this is hard to take, but sometimes politicians say one thing then do the opposite. It’s called lying And sometimes they tell the truth [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/c/9/c95612102286ff43fba9bdb6cfea485d908471f1.jpeg "Russia’s Vladimir Putin ‘cannot remain in power’, says Joe Biden") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOdn_B8fke8) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/8/8/8864fce578a133b155e0332b591f66952dcfbadc.jpeg "George W. Bush mistakenly refers to Iraq instead of Ukraine when addressing "unjustified" invasion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58DXSSBs4u0) How do we know W4u is not lying about this? What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![loveisnotenough](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f08c70/32.png) [@loveisnotenough](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loveisnotenough)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/57 "2023-08-08T12:40:16Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > I don’t think that is Putin’s goal. He wants the Ukraine and he wants to force it to be Russian, when it is not. Dont think so. But as the war drags on , the weaker ukraine becomes. The jackals on her border such as hungary romania and poland are in position to redraw borders when the critical moment arrives . "There is no such thing as the “deep state”. Thats very presumptuous!! You havent even asked him to define deep state to make such closed statement. What do you fear most?” "I fear that love is not enough " ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/d/a/da283605d3beb4a9117723880c584bf62549ca2a.png) ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/58 "2023-08-08T13:04:42Z")
What a sticky topic. No illusions to royalty and empire to be seen here, he’s just a regular guy who likes riding horse with his shirt off: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/4/0/407a2c504fd788b003a6c1ce67fba4244e5ab9a5.jpeg "Vladimir Putin's long, long, long walk to his inauguration (2018) | ABC News") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo7KldU9kAo) > **[Vladimir Putin: The rebuilding of ‘Soviet’ Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481)** > > The world was stunned when Russia invaded Crimea, but should it have been, asks author and journalist Oliver Bullough. > **[Panetta: Putin Wants To Restore the Soviet Union](https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-01/vladimir-putin-wants-to-restore-the-soviet-union-former-secretary-of-defense-says)** > > The former secretary of defense has made similar remarks before, but this time he was more direct. > **[Putin, before vote, says he'd reverse Soviet collapse if he could: agencies](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-election-putin/putin-before-vote-says-hed-reverse-soviet-collapse-if-he-could-agencies-idUSKCN1GE2TF)** > > Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday he would reverse the collapse of the Soviet Union if he had a chance to alter modern Russian history, news agencies reported. > **[Putin’s dark designs: Restore the pre-1917 Russian empire](https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2022/03/01/putins-dark-designs-restore-pre-1917-russian-empire)** > > Leading Ukraine-Russia historian weighs in on why Putin moved against Ukraine, and NATO's best posture > **[Putin’s Wars: from Chechnya to Ukraine](https://inmoscowsshadows.wordpress.com/putins-wars-from-chechnya-to-ukraine/)** > > Published by Osprey Bloomsbury, November 2022 Winner of the Fletcher School Russia Program’s ‘Best Book on US-Russia Relations’ Award, 2023 A new history of how Putin and his conf… ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/59 "2023-08-08T15:23:32Z")
> [@loveisnotenough](#): > > Where did you get from that, that he wants to restore the soviet empire? You added this! He used to be head of the KGB (law enforcement) during the Soviet epoch. What do you think! ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370/60 "2023-08-08T17:16:50Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > There is no such thing as the “deep state”. What tim overlooks is that the so called deep state , is the State. In the US , the depth lies in the practice of democratic principles. It was Trump who , during his stint as president, established a deep state with the intent of installing himself as supreme ruler for life. [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-nazi-problem-in-ukraine/10370.md?page=4)