And the answer was " a Libertarian i am not " to which Coffee responded " good to know "
You gave a warning for that exchange??
It was a suggestion. If I give you warnings, you will know. Usually they include copying rules into my post.
I saw that as further use of âa theory or philosophyâ, instead of answering the question. You do that a lot. You cite some broad category and assume others see that category the same way you do. So, I considered it a non-answer. I donât think libertarians typically believe poor people are poor because they are lazy.
Replace suggestion with accusation. Show me where i answered a question with a question
I already answered that. Sorry you donât like my answer
I didnt respond with a question so in reciprocation i suggest you tie your shoe laces look both ways before you cross and put on your seatbeat .
Let it go. We donât need to agree on everything. We donât need to resolve every disagreement. I have better things to do.
I gave tips as useful as the ones you gave me. Leave it at that
From my interactions with âlibertarians,â I would of thought they never give the poor a thought, one way or the other.
@mriana @lausten Thanks for your answers.
I could respond to both each of your points (because I think they are incorrect), but I fear it would not very benefit our discussion, because I am not an economist, and would need more time to produce a valuable answer.
Again, I believe in the state, in state authority, even in politics (at least as of today) so yes we need laws, the point is how many laws, in which areas of life, and the issue of âunintended consequencesâ of certain laws.
No. The word âlibertarianâ is associated with anarcho-capitalism, or paleolibertarianism, Ayn Rand, and the alt-right, with peripherical figures such as Javier Millei, Elon Musk, even Donald Trump, and I have nothing to see with them[1].
I am a classical liberal humanist (which includes feminism), and I like people such as Antoine Destutt de Tracy, Jean-Baptiste Say, Alain, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Milton Friedman, Richard Dawkins, Deirdre McCloskey, Raymond Boudon, Bertrand Russell.
And now I dive more into secular humanism as a more general âthought frameworkâ (in contrast to the more precise philosophical frameworks of the people cited above), and am discovering and enjoying people like Paul Kurtz, Corliss Lamont and Julian Huxley.
I advocate for a reconciliation of the Anglo-Saxon and French modern philosophical traditions.
Although I hold a strong mistrust of politics, if my ideas were to be translated in the political spectrum, I would say I am a centrist.
As of today (within the limits of my knowledge and experience), the center-left seems too left for me, and the center-right seems too right for me.
[1] Although I think liberal nationalism and anti-communism are important, but only inside the humanist framework, so at the end nothing to see with conservatism, because conservatism rejects humanism.
What do you mean?? Are there examples? Policies ???
Center-left in the US is represented by Andrew Yang, no? In France, center-right is represented by somebody like Ădouard Philippe.
I have to acknowledge that i have no idea what centre left and centre right mean and how they are distinguishable but Andrew yang on the left? Andrew Yang is very pro market based solutions . Do you consider UBI leftist?
The french guy i am not familiar with
Hereâs a video by Robert Reich, who explains the left and right. The left hasnât moved much at all, but because of how far right the right has moved, it makes it look like the left has move far from center too.
He also has one on socialism:
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I would rather live under capitalism than feudalism but this capitalist system has run its course - from climate change to non stop war to over 1 billion living in starvation to masses living in debt, humanity needs an international revolution to stop this insanity - the true face of capitalism
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We agree on a lot here! I think there are many advantages to capitalism but putting profits above all is just wrong. A patient should matter more to a doctor than money. The environment should matter more than money. Helping those less fortunate should matter more than a billionaireâs tax loopholes.
Iâm also very hesitant to go âall inâ on any label such as "capitalism " or âcommunism,â for example. Much has to do with the implementation of the thing behind the label. And labels rarely work alone. For example, capitalism applied under a âdemocracyâ works differently than capitalism under some other label.
We have a democracy, but so does New Zealand. When it comes to gun regulation, New Zealand makes the U.S. look like idiots. (because we are in this case). Implementation is critical.
I was in New Zealand, and noticed how safe the streets were, yet, hardly any police. When I had a chance to talk to one, they asked how I felt about that. I told them about the murder rate where I live and how sirens are just part of the sound of any city. They asked, âso, when are you moving here?â
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If the dotardâs lot gets into office, that is what the U.S. will have- feudalism. The dotard might go to prison, but his brown nose butt kissers are still out there.
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Hey, if the dotard or any of his lot takes over the White House, then I have plans to either go to Canada (awfully cold though), the UK, or go Down Under. The one problem is, I need money for a visa and money for whatever green card they have to find work, etc etc etc. Then again, they might not want someone who wants to retire at 65, which is a few years for me. Of course, if I move to another country, I might not get to retire. Heck, I might not be able to retire in the U.S. for that matter if the Dotardâs lot gets into the Big House.
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It is expensive in New Zealand. Their real estate market is exploding, so they have a lot of old people who have that, but canât really spend it, and if they have more than one child, itâs hard to pass that along, since itâs hard to even find a cheap rental. I think they are headed toward a crisis. Weâll see how they handle it.
OTOH, I did need see young people from all over the world who moved there and are managing to make it in service jobs.