Rights and wrong about slavery

[citizenschallengev4]

@lausten

@citizenschallengev4

You assume? What’s that based on?

I’d like to throw a little cool water on this. Morgan has some good points. CC, you are conflating events that are centuries apart, which is the whole point of my original “how to view the morality of people in history” post. You are doing the exact thing that I pointed out, judging people who are attempting to view history objectively, to figure out why people did the horrible things they did, and seemed to go about their daily business as if it was normal. We will be judged, for driving our cars and heating our houses while the world burned.

I didn’t read the whole NYT Mag article, but I’ve studied the history of slavery beginning with college courses. Search that article for Bacon’s Rebellion. That’s the point where white and black indentured servants aligned themselves against the government. To quell the rebellion, that government gave freedoms and protections to the whites and tightened the laws to enslave blacks for life, and it got worse for 200 years. We are feeling the repercussions of that still. It’s a complicated bit of history, and this article barely touches on it.

Lausten, I asked for further information, I don’t have a scholarly understanding of slavery’s history, but I do know the rough outlines

@morgankane01

And the status of slaves was constantly improved.

Who says? How do you figure that? Based on what?

@morgankane01

More fundamentally, in very ancient history, the winner tended to kill the vanquished. When it became profitable to keep in alive, after the beginnings of agriculture, slavery was a progress.

What do we know about pre-agricultural society to support such a statement?
And I’d suggest most of what we do know, would dispute such a claim.
I’m open to being educated.

you are conflating events that are centuries apart,

But Morgan brought in the sweep of history and saying there’s been a steady improvement.
I thought I was comparing and not conflating.

@lausten

You are doing the exact thing that I pointed out, judging people who are attempting to view history objectively,

Perhaps my second sentence was offensive and gratuitous and if we still had the ‘strikeout’ font style I strike through it, but I don’t want to delete it, because the point stands:

@citizenschallengev4

Improved in what way, a few favored b@st@r¶ slave children gained freedom after life time of being slave?

Does a few dozen or hundred or thousand southern US slaves freed, make up for the millions of colonial and US slaves condemned to live and die in bondage?
I don’t think that’s a case of “conflation”.

I haven’t bashed Morgan, nor do I want to, I want to hear his responses and the information he can point me to.

My apology to you and especially Morgan if I’m coming across overly harsh. I do have these anger issues with the insanity that been so normalized these days and that’s destroying our society just as surely as our environmental follies are destroying the biosphere we depend on.