Right to bear arms?

Just some new facts

“The Economic Cost of Gun Violence | Everytown Research & Policy | Everytown Research & Policy” The Economic Cost of Gun Violence | Everytown Research & Policy

Very true. These individuals make us pay in more ways than one.

Is this rhetorical? Clearly we have to save innocent lives if we have the ability to do so. We won’t be able to stop all of them, but by that logic should we also stop all cancer treatments because some people will still die?

That is often the underlying call of the gun-nuts when they point out “Laws wouldn’t have stopped this one!”

Gun regulation is how we do that. We won’t do that with more guns though.

No. We should have sensible gun regulation because that’s what actually reduces gun deaths.

I guess we have to wait a few years to see the statistics showing an increase in accidental shootings, and officers shot while on duty.

We do have to worry about them, though..


There is already a statistical increase in gun related injuries or deaths from a variety of causalities.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.


More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2020 than in any other year on record, according to recently published statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included a record number of gun murders, as well as a near-record number of gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remains below the levels of earlier years.

Here’s a closer look at gun deaths in the United States, based on a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the CDC, the FBI and other sources. You can also read key public opinion findings about U.S. gun violence and gun policy in our recent roundup.

While the statistics are still below the worst, they are on the increase and with the current political climate there is a good chance this will keep increasing.

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I don’t ever want to play the part
Of a statistic on a government chart.

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Unfortunately, when dealing with large numbers statistics are the only useful references to sort and identify large numbers of rare events (LNRE)

In statistics, large number of rare events (LNRE) modeling summarizes methods that allow improvements in frequency distribution estimation over the maximum likelihood estimation when “rare events are common”.
Large number of rare events - Wikipedia

btw. LNRE is instrumental in the study of mineral/chemical abiogenesis.
See Robert Hazen ; “Chance , Necessity, and the Origins of Life”.

A defeated Maga candidate, by a wide margin, accuses the Dem of having used fraud, and pays people to shoot on local Dem leaders.

10 deads, 10 hurts, among the Asian community, by Assault riffle.

The insanity goes on.

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The latest insanity professed by the Supreme Court.

Under the Supreme Court’s new standard for determining whether gun laws are within constitutional bounds, the government is required to show that the measure is consistent with the nation’s historical tradition of gun regulation.
In wake of Supreme Court Second Amendment decision, uncertainty plagues gun laws new and old - CBS News

I didn’t know that an AR15 or M16 assault rifle is a historical firearm.
I believe the historical firearms the constitution speaks of are single shot black powder pistols and rifles.

Hey, I agree that everyone should have the right to own a black powder rifle.
They are beautiful.

The Pedersoli Kentucky Muzzleloading Rifle evolved from German hunting guns and was a major rival of the Brown Bess, it quickly became one of the most popular American rifles. This rifle was typically used in the American colonies where it became immensely popular due to its lightness and accuracy. The barrel is blue finished, all fittings are of polished brass and the walnut stock is oil finished.

I hate the looks of AR 15 Assault rifles. They are ugly weapons of mass destruction.


With AR-15s, Mass Shooters Attack With the Rifle Firepower Typically Used by Infantry Troops

A federal ban on the manufacture of certain rifles deemed to be “assault weapons” took effect in 1994, and the list of covered rifles included the AR-15.

Since the ban expired in 2004, the number of rifles manufactured in the United States increased threefold to four million in 2013. That was one year after a gunman killed his mother and then 26 others at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

The main functional difference between the military’s M16 and M4 rifles and a civilian AR-15 is the “burst” mode on many military models, which allow three rounds to be fired with one trigger pull. Some military versions of the rifles have a full automatic feature, which fires until the trigger is released or a magazine is empty of ammunition.

But in actual American combat these technical differences are less significant than they seem. For decades the American military has trained its conventional troops to fire their M4s and M16s in the semiautomatic mode — one bullet per trigger pull — instead of on “burst” or automatic in almost all shooting situations. The weapons are more accurate this way, and thus more lethal.

Does anyone see a historical right to owning an AR15, based on the historical right to own a gun for which that law was written?

Clearance is showing his stupidity. He forgets that men (yes, Black) like him could not have guns. He wants wife beating? He doesn’t deserve a gun. Not because he’s Black, but because he supports such stupidity. BTW, using his stupid logic, it’s even unconstitutional for him to be on the Supreme Court. Just how far does he want to take his logic? He’s only screwing himself, not to mention some of the men and women he’s also screwing.

I found this recently. The title is a little ambiguous. A statement of “truth”, then a question, lol. But otherwise a somewhat reasonable article.

An Uncomfortable Truth: Does the Rise of Antidepressants and SSRIs Fuel Mass Shootings?

Still, not enough evidence and needs real study by independent academic researchers.

cc @mrmhead

`This debate leads them away from the elephant in the room and one of the real issues behind mass shootings – mental health and prescription drugs.’

That reminds me of Russian nested dolls.

What will you choose to be present to. …

And what’s causing the drugs, the loss of self-identity and the empty soul feeling from infecting so many. What about that? (Bonus Question: What have the 1%ers done to the rest of society?)

Also the guy gives himself away,

Facts matter when addressing such an emotionally charged topic, and more gun control legislation has shown that law-abiding Americans who own guns are not the problem. Consider the following: The more gun control laws that are passed, the more mass murders have occurred.

He’s not trying to look at the problem, he’s busy finding someone to blame, exactly what he accuses others of.

Seemingly every time a mass shooting occurs, whether it’s at a synagogue in Pittsburgh or a nightclub in Orlando, the anti-gun media and politicians have a knee-jerk response – they blame the tragedy solely on the tool used, namely firearms, and focus all of their proposed ‘solutions’ on more laws, ignoring that the murderer already broke numerous laws when they committed their atrocity.

Your drug connection is simply another symptom of our general malaise.

That’s why I think it’s so important to take seriously the

Physical Reality ~ Human Mind divide

It helps one understand rock solid who they are, and their place in the greater scheme of things. It helps one better understand their own emotions and those echos of childhood happenings that have dogged us all our lives. It helps one better appreciate the difference between fantasies and reality, thus helping to guide us toward more honorable behavior and productive outcomes.

Understanding that who you are is about appreciating that you are your biological body, that’s why you feel like you and nothing else. It’s that simple. Love it or hate it, it’s all you have. All that each of us knows got processed through our individual body.

Your thoughts are the inside echo of that body communicating with itself. And your body, your bloodline is the product of half a billion years of absolutely
unbroken conceptions,
leading to unbroken births,
leading to unbroken survival,
rinse and repeat.

One fail in your specific generational bloodline, and you wouldn’t have been here.

Untold hundreds of thousand of generations. Your evolving body was like an infant, voraciously learning, sleeping, then going at it again, developing with every day. Your biological body possess the lessons of those hundreds of millions of years.

Allowing that realization to really soak in, introduces an entirely different upclose and personal relationship with one’s own body that has dividends for mind, ego and health.

All that is not just pretty poetry, it is what all the actual factual Earth & biological sciences are pointing towards. You can’t understand anything with truly absorbing those truths. They offer the missing benchmark and landmarks to help us make sense of all that other information combined with our own experiences and thoughts.

Understanding that consciousness is your body/brain + interacting with environment and that’s what produces your consciousness, it is you. You are it, and even if you are transient, you are real, and this is your moment, make of it what you can. Then we die, and others remember us, or not, while time and tide march relentlessly forward.

I’m convinced until - that sort of beyond personal ego insight, and realizing that Earth created us - finds root in people, nothing will change. Simply more endlessly the blind leading the blind until time passes us by.

I’ve even another dualism another level to explore:

Egocentrism vs Earthcentrism

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@citizenschallengev4 Oh, I didn’t agree with everything from that article. I personally think “mental illness” is far too over-diagnosed. There’s so much emphasis by the establishment on “biopsychiatry” without real discussion of the hundreds of things that can contribute to people having trouble functioning in our society. The article does speak about over-prescribing, which I agree with.

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I reserve the right to bare arms all the time, especially in this heat. And if they are a little large and flabby, well there is a Call to Arms, with diet and exercise recommendations. Then you can bare arms without shame. Worried about the sun? Just grab some Coppertone and you can have some well oiled guns. :rofl: :joy: :rofl:

Sorry, I just could not resist any longer.