# Putin underestimates Ukrainian toughness, resourcefulness, humor **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 6, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178 "2022-03-06T18:42:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/101 "2022-12-18T05:21:29Z")
Do you mean this one? [https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/russians-and-americans-sense-new-cold-war](https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/russians-and-americans-sense-new-cold-war) ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/102 "2022-12-18T05:26:04Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Do you mean this one? I did say the latest ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/103 "2022-12-18T05:27:35Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > I gave it to you on a platter when i referred to WaPo and youre still complaining! You simply denigrated WaPo, then expressed an opinion. You don’t seem to know the difference between your opinion and providing a source for a fact ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/104 "2022-12-18T05:28:15Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > I did say the latest I’m not going to play games ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 5:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/105 "2022-12-18T05:35:49Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > You simply denigrated WaPo, then expressed an opinion. Not my opinion. Just passing on the poll results ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/106 "2022-12-18T13:42:36Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > Just passing on the poll results The one you haven’t shown us yet? ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/107 "2022-12-18T13:55:56Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > The one you haven’t shown us yet? You were on the global affairs page. All you had to do is hit the home tab to bring up the latest report. But you cant do that ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/108 "2022-12-18T14:03:49Z")
Here’s some discussion beyond the numbers > **[My Country, Right or Wrong: Russian Public Opinion on Ukraine](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/09/07/my-country-right-or-wrong-russian-public-opinion-on-ukraine-pub-87803)** > > Rather than consolidating Russian society, the conflict in Ukraine has exacerbated existing divisions on a diverse array of issues, including support for the regime. Put another way, the impression that Putin now has the full support of the Russian... ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/109 "2022-12-18T15:00:52Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > You were on the global affairs page. All you had to do is hit the home tab to bring up the latest report. But you cant do that And doodoodoof can’t seem to acknowledge that the support of old pensioners doesn’t mean much against the backdrop of hundreds of thousands young adults escaping Russian to get away from Putin’s insanity. What kind of support does that reflect? ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/110 "2022-12-18T15:28:32Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > I gave it to you on a platter when i referred to WaPo and youre still complaining! I subscribe to WashPo and read it daily. I’m not reading what you’re reading. BTW, where is your link to your WashPo article that allegedly favours you’re opinion? I’m not seeing it in this thread and I went through it more than once. As far as I can tell, you haven’t posted any links. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/111 "2022-12-18T16:10:16Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > where is your link So far, he has pointed us in the direction of a poll by a Russian firm that, if you only look at the graphs, not the details, methods, or all the people who weren’t accounted for outside of the poll, show a slight majority supporting Putin. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/112 "2022-12-18T16:13:22Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > But you cant do that See, now, why would you say that? Obviously, I can click links. I can look up who Levada is. But I can’t read your mind. I suggest you read anything about polarization right now, which your poll shows is happening in Russia too, people are looking at the same data and forming different opinions. ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/113 "2022-12-18T18:56:36Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Obviously, I can click links. I So what did the report on the latest survey say when you clicked on the homepage?? ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/114 "2022-12-18T20:11:58Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > So far, he has pointed us in the direction of a poll by a Russian firm that, if you only look at the graphs, not the details, methods, or all the people who weren’t accounted for outside of the poll, show a slight majority supporting Putin. So he’s not posting anything but propaganda or misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/115 "2022-12-18T21:01:07Z")
I gave you a link that analyzed the numbers and i made comments above. As the old joke goes, the report doesn’t SAY anything, you have to read it. They didn’t interview the defectors, or the prisoners fighting, or the people who are afraid to speak up against Putin. Even without that, look at the age distribution, most of the supporters are old. ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/116 "2022-12-18T22:11:31Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > I gave you a link that analyzed the numbers and i made comments above. Your link is dated September 7th 2022 but latest report on global affairs site is 13 th December 2022. What are you doing? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/117 "2022-12-18T22:28:32Z")
Are you saying the opinions have changed that much in 5 months, This one shows very little change over time [https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/many-russians-support-ukraine-peace-talks-not-letting-territory-go](https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/many-russians-support-ukraine-peace-talks-not-letting-territory-go) ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/118 "2022-12-18T22:33:47Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Are you saying the opinions have changed that much in 5 months, Here is the takeaway from latest survey and its not changed " Many Russians Support Ukraine Peace Talks but Not Letting Territory Go" What are you doing man ?? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/119 "2022-12-18T22:40:33Z")
> [@doofdoof1](#): > > What are you doing man ?? I have no idea what your problem is ---
**Author:** ![doofdoof1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/doofdoof1/32/18_2.png) [@doofdoof1](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/doofdoof1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178/120 "2022-12-18T22:48:38Z")
Your posts. You took half a dozen posts to get to the actual report and then acknowledge its conclusion. So what are you arguing about ? [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/putin-underestimates-ukrainian-toughness-resourcefulness-humor/9178.md?page=7)