# Prison **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 29, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133 "2016-07-29T05:17:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![titanomachina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a88e57/32.png) [@titanomachina](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/titanomachina)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/21 "2016-07-31T06:28:42Z")
True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone ---
**Author:** ![yosemitesam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/7feea3/32.png) [@yosemitesam](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yosemitesam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/22 "2016-07-31T13:56:43Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Nope. Plus seems to me a lot of rehabilitation is dependent on individuals themselves having that something inside that could be, and that wants to be, rehabilitated - with a few timely breaks and a little help from some friends ---
**Author:** ![loisl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/loisl/32/18_2.png) [@loisl](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loisl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/23 "2016-07-31T16:13:28Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Nope. Plus seems to me a lot of rehabilitation is dependent on individuals themselves having that something inside that could be, and that wants to be, rehabilitated - with a few timely breaks and a little help from some friends Many don't have friends, timely breaks or that something inside. They's why rehabilitation is necessary.you are blaming the victims and suggesting no helpful strategy. ---
**Author:** ![loisl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/loisl/32/18_2.png) [@loisl](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loisl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/24 "2016-07-31T16:17:55Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Do we have the resources to continue to do what we've been doing? A system that doesn't work for anyone? The US already has the highest incarceration rate and high crime. How do you think that's working for our society? So let's keep the status quo. What a great idea--continue to do what fails miserably and helps no one. ---
**Author:** ![yosemitesam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/7feea3/32.png) [@yosemitesam](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yosemitesam)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/25 "2016-07-31T17:39:37Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Nope. Plus seems to me a lot of rehabilitation is dependent on individuals themselves having that something inside that could be, and that wants to be, rehabilitated - with a few timely breaks and a little help from some friends Many don't have friends, timely breaks or that something inside. They's why rehabilitation is necessary.you are blaming the victims and suggesting no helpful strategy.guilty :down: I didn't say I liked it. Just that's how it is. Nor did I say we shouldn't try to rehabilitate folks, just pointing out it's often futile. Furthermore, my feeling is that most successful rehabilitation has something to do with helping the individual find that neglected special something inside of themselves and to help develop it. Beside Lois, aren't you the "determinist"? How can additional resources alter what has been determined? ---
**Author:** ![loisl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/loisl/32/18_2.png) [@loisl](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/loisl)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/26 "2016-07-31T19:28:29Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Nope. Plus seems to me a lot of rehabilitation is dependent on individuals themselves having that something inside that could be, and that wants to be, rehabilitated - with a few timely breaks and a little help from some friends Many don't have friends, timely breaks or that something inside. They's why rehabilitation is necessary.you are blaming the victims and suggesting no helpful strategy.guilty :down: I didn't say I liked it. Just that's how it is. Nor did I say we shouldn't try to rehabilitate folks, just pointing out it's often futile. Furthermore, my feeling is that most successful rehabilitation has something to do with helping the individual find that neglected special something inside of themselves and to help develop it. Beside Lois, aren't you the "determinist"? How can additional resources alter what has been determined? Because a person's envoronmemt is also a determining influence. Change the environment and see what happens. I never said determinism means things are set in stone. That would be pre-determinism. Human consciousness changes every moment. One's environment presents fundamental determining factors. ---
**Author:** ![yosemitesam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/7feea3/32.png) [@yosemitesam](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/yosemitesam)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/27 "2016-08-01T01:20:13Z")
> Because a person's envoronmemt is also a determining influence. Change the environment and see what happens. I never said determinism means things are set in stone. That would be pre-determinism. Human consciousness changes every moment. One's environment presents fundamental determining factors. Okay, that's cool to hear from you. Sounds better than some of your other comments (going back months) re determinism. :) ---
**Author:** ![3rdside](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/a183cd/32.png) [@3rdside](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/3rdside)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 8:53am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/28 "2016-08-01T08:53:16Z")
> Gotta disagree with you here, society needs to feel the right people get what they deserve because that is part of our sense of morality. "Society" needs to know that the people in them are doing what needs to be done to keep the whole society safe and sane, not only that criminals "get what they deserve". That's what's always been done and it obviously doesn't work to anyone's advantage. It works to the advantage of most of the public which is the goal, and while your right about the public's need to feel we're being protected, the feeling that justice is being served is more important for society. Think about the recent instances of police killing Blacks under questionable circumstances, and those cops often getting little if any punishment. Or the lack of prosecution for Wall street criminals; that only alienates the public from the judicial system and that contributes to social decay. ---
**Author:** ![3rdside](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/a183cd/32.png) [@3rdside](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/3rdside)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/29 "2016-08-01T08:59:02Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone The truth is many people in the system probably can't be rehabilitated, the best we can do is warehouse them. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133/30 "2016-08-02T11:22:54Z")
> True. The overcrowding has always been an issue. But I wonder f we really have the resources to rehabilitate everyone Nope. Plus seems to me a lot of rehabilitation is dependent on individuals themselves having that something inside that could be, and that wants to be, rehabilitated - with a few timely breaks and a little help from some friends Many don't have friends, timely breaks or that something inside. They's why rehabilitation is necessary.you are blaming the victims and suggesting no helpful strategy. Huh, didn't expect that from Lois. Nicely said [Previous page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/prison/5133.md?page=1)