Try to look at it from our point of view for a change. Your challenge to us is to explain how this "precision" just randomly appeared. The question makes no sense to us because it's simply the way the universe is. Could YOU explain why it was necessary for this "precision" to be deliberately imposed? Chances are you can't. It's just the way you were brought up to believe is normal.Advocatus: What point of view would that be? The point of view that something as simple as a stick of crayon or even a computer is proof of intelligent design (by humans), but our fine-tuned universe, against which the computer looks like child’s play, is evidence of no intelligent design? That is the point of view that every single atheist in this thread has presented thus far. Alter2Ego Except the universe is not fine tuned at all. The most that can be said is that the universe functions logically, and we are an expression of that logic. If the rules were different we would be different, but the rules are as they are and here we are and we're not alone. The variety of species and range of habitat on earth alone staggers the mind. You mght as well say that the universe is fine tuned for visible light. :wow: In reality, we are fine tuned to visible light and is a result of natural selection. This is not Intelligent Design, it is design intelligence.
Really? We’re just going to start this thread up again after 8 months, like nothing happened?
Alter2Ego: The internet has lots of things to read too, it’s not just a place to write what’s on your mind.
Truth be told, everybody reading this thread is aware that your argument makes no sense. Why so? Because if something "natural" (not man-made) is always precise, it disqualifies as an accident or a spontaneous event. Why so? Because precision, by definition, is something that is exactly as intended. Below is the definition of "precision". precision [pre-sizh´un] 1. the quality of being sharply or exactly defined. 2. in statistics, the extent to which a measurement procedure gives the same results each time it is repeated under identical conditions http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/precision Below is the definition of "spontaneous". DEFINITION OF "SPONTANEOUS": "Spontaneous means unplanned or done on impulse." http://www.yourdictionary.com/spontaneous Now, suppose you explain to the rest of us how something that is "simply natural" and is repeatedly precise = "spontaneous event"?See, you're still doing it. You START by defining life as something that was planned by an intelligent designer and cannot possibly be spontaneous. And yet you don't consider: where did that intelligent designer originate? According to you, it must have been composed with EVEN MORE PRECISION than the living things it created. Therefore some OTHER intelligence had to create IT! You haven't proved a single solitary thing except that you refuse to even consider any other point of view. Sadly, there's no point in talking to you any more.
Try to look at it from our point of view for a change. Your challenge to us is to explain how this "precision" just randomly appeared. The question makes no sense to us because it's simply the way the universe is. Could YOU explain why it was necessary for this "precision" to be deliberately imposed? Chances are you can't. It's just the way you were brought up to believe is normal.Advocatus: What point of view would that be? The point of view that something as simple as a stick of crayon or even a computer is proof of intelligent design (by humans), but our fine-tuned universe, against which the computer looks like child’s play, is evidence of no intelligent design? That is the point of view that every single atheist in this thread has presented thus far. Alter2EgoAHH....this was the guy I was thinking of in my thread about what Intelligent Designer advocates are thinking. SO AlterEgo - Can you tell us what you think is gained by proving there's an Intelligent Designer? If you'd like, reply in my thread over in Religion forum.
Try to look at it from our point of view for a change. Your challenge to us is to explain how this "precision" just randomly appeared. The question makes no sense to us because it's simply the way the universe is. Could YOU explain why it was necessary for this "precision" to be deliberately imposed? Chances are you can't. It's just the way you were brought up to believe is normal.Advocatus: What point of view would that be? The point of view that something as simple as a stick of crayon or even a computer is proof of intelligent design (by humans), but our fine-tuned universe, against which the computer looks like child’s play, is evidence of no intelligent design? That is the point of view that every single atheist in this thread has presented thus far. Alter2EgoAHH....this was the guy I was thinking of in my thread about what Intelligent Designer advocates are thinking. SO AlterEgo - Can you tell us what you think is gained by proving there's an Intelligent Designer? If you'd like, reply in my thread over in Religion forum. Believers find justification for their beliefs. An adult would look silly for believing in a fairy tale. George Carlin nailed this dead-on, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_tr_k59O6s
Precision in nature proves nothing other than our ability to measure and assign value to whatever we claim has an attribute of precision.
Precision in nature proves nothing other than our ability to measure and assign value to whatever we claim has an attribute of precision.+1
Precision in nature proves nothing other than our ability to measure and assign value to whatever we claim has an attribute of precision.+1folds within folds of cumulative harmonic complexity flowing down time… Oommmmm