# Microtubules the seat of Consciousness

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**Category:** Science and Technology\
**Created:** [May 13, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/microtubules-the-seat-of-consciousness/9472 "2022-05-13T20:48:53Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 19, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/microtubules-the-seat-of-consciousness/9472/22 "2022-05-19T19:00:06Z")

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> [@write4u](#):
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> > It’s about not being able to conceptually escape the bounds of your mind and appreciate that somethings exist outside of it.
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> WOW, are you talking about physics or metaphysics?

Well I’ve heard scientists refer to our brain’s thoughts as meta-physical, so what are you saying?  
Sara Walker put’s it another way:

> > [@The Physics of Causation? Information?](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/the-physics-of-causation-information/9489/1):
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> > (Sara Walker) points out we’ve been building abstractions, learning and unlearning, reframing, and that physics professors don’t usually point out that all the laws they teach come out of the human mind.

I don’t see you, all I see is your words and arguments.

> [@write4u](#):
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> You are expecting someone to come up with a "thing " called consciousness, but that’s not how it works.

Hey, that’s what you doing, “the seat of consciousness” “tubules”. But that’s not how it works. Those are components, and not the thing.

> [@write4u](#):
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> I am trying to establish a comprehensive library of proofs based on the proposition that microtubules are the only viable candidate for any consideration of association with emergent consciousness.

> [@write4u](#):
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> I don’t. I don’t care if the ratio of bacterial cells to human cells is 10 to 1 or 8 to 1.  
> The fact is that the human biome consists of more bacterial cells than human cells .  
> Just because the numbers are variable doesn’t negate the argument.

Wow, the you do stuff like that to me.  
Besides the number being reduced way more than that, and totally skip the most important point, that the microbiome, isn’t something spread through the entire body, it’s in specific areas, and that makes a big difference in appreciating what roll they play.

Very respectable experts also can say stupid stuff - regarding the micro biome - implying (deliberately or simply through poor selection of words) that those foreign microbes reside “in our body”, is sloppy and inaccurate in the extreme, and tends to mislead rather than clarify.

> **[Revised Estimates for the Number of Human and Bacteria Cells in the Body](https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1002533)**
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> Thoroughly revised estimates show that the typical adult human body consists of about 30 trillion human cells and about 38 trillion bacteria.

> [@write4u](#):
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> I am trying to integrate (orchestrate) all the different knowledge of our neural networks into a single comprehensive block of knowledge that may lead to an “inescapable conclusion” that can be falsified.

And I’ll keep pointing out the flaws and omissions.

Let me know when you get to the Uncertainty Principle that the more you focus on the tiniest components, the more you lose sight of the entire complex organism. It’s something scientists have pointed for many generations.

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