# Just for fun, if
**URL:** https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/just-for-fun-if/10715
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [February 27, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/just-for-fun-if/10715 "2024-02-27T03:58:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [March 5, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/just-for-fun-if/10715/41 "2024-03-05T23:13:31Z")
> [@write4u](#):
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> I am happy to discuss when I am called wrong.
I’m glad you’re happy. But your actions are avoidance. I’m sure you see a connection from the so-called singularity that the math points at the early milliseconds of the Big Bang and plasma, but the singularity is not a “fundamental plasma state” as far as anything I know. If I’m missing something, I’m glad to learn, but I’m not going to cite this forum thread as a scientific resource. I’m not going to say, “well Write4U said it’s true, so it’s true”.
I can’t figure out what our disconnect is. I know you know what scientific citations are. I know you know about formulas describing the universe. You haven’t really acknowledged the undefined nature of the singularity. We seem to differ on the definition of “undefined”.
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### Author:  [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2024, 5:43am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/just-for-fun-if/10715/42 "2024-03-06T05:43:06Z")
> [@lausten](#):
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> I can’t figure out what our disconnect is. I know you know what scientific citations are. I know you know about formulas describing the universe. You haven’t really acknowledged the undefined nature of the singularity. We seem to differ on the definition of “undefined”.
Yes, but I don’t claim to know what the singularity consists of. NOBODY knows.
What I have read, is that David Bohm proposed a state of pure energy before it transmutated into physical particles from the 3 fundamental values such as quarks, leptons, and bosons to atoms. This seems to be supported by the evidence of the Cosmic Microwave Background.
> **[Initial singularity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity)**
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> The initial singularity is a singularity predicted by some models of the Big Bang theory to have existed before the Big Bang. The instant immediately following the initial singularity is part of the Planck epoch, the earliest period of time in the history of our universe.
> The use of only general relativity to predict what happened in the beginnings of the universe has been heavily criticized, as quantum mechanics becomes a significant factor in the high-energy environment of the earliest stage o...
> **Although there is no direct evidence for a singularity of infinite density,** the [cosmic microwave background](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background) is evidence that the universe expanded from a very hot, dense state.[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#cite_note-space-bouncing-4)
> Elementary particles are **quarks, leptons and bosons**. These particles then join together to create the more well-known particles, such as the neutron and the proton. **Such particles are known as composite particles, as they are composed of two or more of these elementary particles.**
more… [Initial singularity - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity)
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### Author:  [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/just-for-fun-if/10715/43 "2024-03-06T08:52:54Z")
> [@write4u](#):
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> Yes, but I don’t claim to know what the singularity consists of. NOBODY knows.
Okay then. It sounded like you were claiming that (to know).
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