Is Reality "Intelligent"?

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@cuthbertj

I’m not buying it, even from the great RP. His argument that math exists independently from us amounts to I really really want it to be that way because it’s so good at what it does. But he provides the way to dispute himself with his discussion of the Greeks. If math was out there to be discovered, why didn’t they themselves discover special relativity?

I believe the Greeks already recognized mathematics as the “language of the Universe”.

Galileo famously stated that our Universe is a “grand book” written in the language of mathematics.

All of modern science rests on the shoulders of the intellect and prior knowledge of mathematical functions passed on from the Greeks. What you are asking is way too sophisticated for those days and the repression by religious sects. But religion saw it as a threat to the assignment of “Agency”.

But inherent knowledge of mathematical values and functions are not exclusive to humans at all.
The natural world is founded on generic mathematical relational values and “orderly” functional processes of these values, such as exponential functions like the Fibonacci sequence.

Natural selection itself is based on mathematical principles of evolving efficiency and survivability.

Almost all predators use triangulation to catch prey. Maybe they don’t consciously know this, but they use it and we are not talking about human symbolized codification of mathematical laws.

We are talking about the essence of the “way things work”
A brainless, neuronless slime mold uses subtraction to arrive at the shortest path to food.
All of nature is built on mathematical laws, because mathematics is the functional language of Logic and the Universe itself is a logical object.
If it weren’t it would cease to exist.

Read Chaos theory and you’ll see that matter is based on mathematical patterns that self-organized from the available potentials present in the dynamic energy of the earliest energy plasma state of the universe.

What can be more mathematical than the Table of Elements?

This is what Bohm called the mathematical “Enfolded or Implicate Order” which becomes expressed as the measurable and codifiable "Unfolded or Explicate Order.

@cuthbertj

In fact, what IMHO is going on is math is a human created technique, that can be built upon to the nth degree, that can then be used to describe the world very very accurately. It only seems to be a platonic thing because it’s been around so long, and yes, humans are incredibly smart and have developed it so incredibly. But it’s still just a human creation.

Human maths are a human creation based on observed natural functions and codified with human symbolic representation of natural relational values.

Was there ever a time when 1 + 1 did not result in 2 , regardless how you want to represent that symbolically or represent that at all?

The discovery of the mathematical essence of the universe is man’s greatest discovery in history, bar none.

What I don’t understand is why there needs to be doubt about this.
Is this resistance an intellectual relic of belief in creator gods?

What is it about inherent generic mathematical processes that is peculiarly human and did not exist until we came along and gave it a name?

@cuthbertj

Think about numbers. RP kind of mentioned this. But say the number 2. That’s not a thing, not even a platonic thing. It’s the result of a process, namely counting. We do something over and over, and label the result with a name, like 2

I always thought that if you could demonstrate the truth of a proposition with repeated proofs that would confirm the truth of that proposition.