The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255For the record those people are quite useless, as I have called them before and they made me want to kill my self. But that aside it still doesn't answer the question as to why people say life is a gift and worth living.
The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255For the record those people are quite useless, as I have called them before and they made me want to kill my self. But that aside it still doesn't answer the question as to why people say life is a gift and worth living. I wasn't trying to answer that. I haven't been trying to answer that in quite some time. It is self evident to me, but I've had a lot of privileges. I can drive above the clouds and look at this creation that I'm a part of and get that answer. I can't put it in to words. At least, no better words than anyone else has. What I have been saying is, having been the lucky recipient of those experiences, I choose to create the experience of sharing it, of working toward allowing more people to share it. The experience of doing that also gives an answer that I can't quite describe.
Hmmm, interesting answer
The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255For the record those people are quite useless, as I have called them before and they made me want to kill my self. But that aside it still doesn't answer the question as to why people say life is a gift and worth living. I wasn't trying to answer that. I haven't been trying to answer that in quite some time. It is self evident to me, but I've had a lot of privileges. I can drive above the clouds and look at this creation that I'm a part of and get that answer. I can't put it in to words. At least, no better words than anyone else has. What I have been saying is, having been the lucky recipient of those experiences, I choose to create the experience of sharing it, of working toward allowing more people to share it. The experience of doing that also gives an answer that I can't quite describe. Excellent reply, Lausten. The answer you "can't quite describe" has been the area of interesting philosophical discussion since the Ancient Greeks, at least for those of us who choose to embrace life.
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The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is 1-800-273-8255For the record those people are quite useless, as I have called them before and they made me want to kill my self. But that aside it still doesn't answer the question as to why people say life is a gift and worth living. I wasn't trying to answer that. I haven't been trying to answer that in quite some time. It is self evident to me, but I've had a lot of privileges. I can drive above the clouds and look at this creation that I'm a part of and get that answer. I can't put it in to words. At least, no better words than anyone else has. What I have been saying is, having been the lucky recipient of those experiences, I choose to create the experience of sharing it, of working toward allowing more people to share it. The experience of doing that also gives an answer that I can't quite describe. Excellent reply, Lausten. The answer you "can't quite describe" has been the area of interesting philosophical discussion since the Ancient Greeks, at least for those of us who choose to embrace life. Embracing life has nothing to do with it at all. But the whole "you can't describe it" but is rather insufficient, escapist when it comes to philosophy. Seems like the sort of fluff you expect from a romance novel. Why is it self evident? What makes it so?
Why is it self evident? What makes it so?We're going around in circles. Face it, you're right. Life is pointless and then you die. I'm being serious. When you get right down to it life has no more meaning than what you put into it. Most of us have accepted that and decided to get the most we can out of life. We may have different beliefs and values, but we have decided to enjoy life in spite of the travails we face. You and a small minority of others have decided to admit defeat, curl into fetal position and whine about life being pointless. We are better off than you because we can share some good times with friends and loved ones, enjoy some beautiful sunsets, mourn those we've lost and learn what we can about this universe. Yeah, it's all meaningless in the long run, but at least we have faced reality and decided to have fun even though the universe is trying to kill us.
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it’s all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn’t be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just…small.
You’d have to have a leve of ignorance or denial to move on in the face of such truth. You say you are “better off”, but I think you don’t fully grasp the situation of our existence.
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it's all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just....small.I have acknowledged and accepted that. I looked through the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory and saw 12 galaxies in the Virgo Cluster in a single view. I felt small. Very, very small; way past pitifully small, but that was the moment I accepted my place in the universe. You cannot do that, and I pity you. Edit: Corrected a typo
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it's all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just....small.I have acknowledged and accepted that. I looked thought the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory and saw 12 galaxies in the Virgo Cluster in a single view. I felt small. Very, very small; way past pitifully small, but that was the moment I accepted my place in the universe. You cannot do that, and I pity you. I actually do, and it's the reason I feel this way.
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it's all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just....small.I have acknowledged and accepted that. I looked thought the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory and saw 12 galaxies in the Virgo Cluster in a single view. I felt small. Very, very small; way past pitifully small, but that was the moment I accepted my place in the universe. You cannot do that, and I pity you. I actually do, and it's the reason I feel this way. Are you being deliberately obtuse? You have not accepted your place in the universe, at least not in the way that term is used in the United States of America. Let me rephrase what I said so perhaps you cannot twist the meaning to suit your morbid point off view. I came to peace with my place in the universe and decided if I was going to enjoy life I needed to quit whining about how unfair things are.
What is he even asking? Self evident is the opposite of “can’t describe”.
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it's all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just....small.I have acknowledged and accepted that. I looked thought the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory and saw 12 galaxies in the Virgo Cluster in a single view. I felt small. Very, very small; way past pitifully small, but that was the moment I accepted my place in the universe. You cannot do that, and I pity you. I actually do, and it's the reason I feel this way. Are you being deliberately obtuse? You have not accepted your place in the universe, at least not in the way that term is used in the United States of America. Let me rephrase what I said so perhaps you cannot twist the meaning to suit your morbid point off view. I came to peace with my place in the universe and decided if I was going to enjoy life I needed to quit whining about how unfair things are. Fairness has nothing to do with it, it's about realizing that nothing you do matters and there's no point to existing. Because the Universe is vaster than our comprehension and this is just one rock among many, a grain of sand in the desert. Deciding to enjoy life is not truly comprehending your insignificance and meaninglessness. I have accepted that fact, but that doesn't mean I like it.
What about how our entire lives and accomplishments are really just a fabrication based on entirely subjective value statements. Its like we made it all all just to have a reason to go on. But is there really any meaning or value in something where the parameters are arbitrary?Arbitrary is all we get. Either we learn to live with it or we end it all. Lois
I think it takes a certain level of naïveté to move on in spite of that truth that it's all meaningless. If you accepted that then you wouldn't be feeling the way that you are about it. You would acknowledge how pitifully smalll what you do is in the grand scheme of things, how limited and human your thoughts and ideas are. Just....small.I have acknowledged and accepted that. I looked thought the 82-inch telescope at the McDonald Observatory and saw 12 galaxies in the Virgo Cluster in a single view. I felt small. Very, very small; way past pitifully small, but that was the moment I accepted my place in the universe. You cannot do that, and I pity you. I actually do, and it's the reason I feel this way. Are you being deliberately obtuse? You have not accepted your place in the universe, at least not in the way that term is used in the United States of America. Let me rephrase what I said so perhaps you cannot twist the meaning to suit your morbid point off view. I came to peace with my place in the universe and decided if I was going to enjoy life I needed to quit whining about how unfair things are. Fairness has nothing to do with it, it's about realizing that nothing you do matters and there's no point to existing. Because the Universe is vaster than our comprehension and this is just one rock among many, a grain of sand in the desert. Deciding to enjoy life is not truly comprehending your insignificance and meaninglessness. I have accepted that fact, but that doesn't mean I like it. What do you plan to do, Titan? Your life is meaningless. Will you try to find meaning within yourself or end it?
Fairness has nothing to do with it, it's about realizing that nothing you do matters and there's no point to existing. Because the Universe is vaster than our comprehension and this is just one rock among many, a grain of sand in the desert. Deciding to enjoy life is not truly comprehending your insignificance and meaninglessness. I have accepted that fact, but that doesn't mean I like it.There's no logic here. If a single grain of sand in the desert is insignificant, then all grains of sand are insignificant, regardless of where they are, or what they interact with. Even if that grain makes a pearl, it doesn't matter, the pearl is insignificant. The desert doesn't matter, nor does the ocean. It doesn't matter that it gives life, because that life is only there to chew on the coral and digest it into sand and that sand will wash up on the shore and become part of the desert, all of which is insignificant because it is made of insignificant things. They are insignificant because they are part of something much larger that is beyond comprehension. It is vast because it is made of an incomprehensible amount of insignificant things. So it too is insignificant, it could be nothing else. So there is no logic by which to judge its significance. There is only your statement about what it is. It is independent of all the interactions of all the galaxies and all the waves on all the shores. It is yours, you wrote it, you thought it. You get to live with it. Edit: change dessert to desert. dessert actually does matter
Deciding to enjoy life is not truly comprehending your insignificance and meaninglessness. I have accepted that fact, but that doesn't mean I like it.There's no logic here. If a single grain of sand in the desert is insignificant, then all grains of sand are insignificant, regardless of where they are, or what they interact with. Even if that grain makes a pearl, it doesn't matter, the pearl is insignificant. The dessert doesn't matter, nor does the ocean. It doesn't matter that it gives life, because that life is only there to chew on the coral and digest it into sand and that sand will wash up on the shore and become part of the dessert, all of which is insignificant because it is made of insignificant things. They are insignificant because they are part of something much larger that is beyond comprehension. It is vast because it is made of an incomprehensible amount of insignificant things. So it too is insignificant, it could be nothing else. So there is no logic by which to judge its significance. There is only your statement about what it is. It is independent of all the interactions of all the galaxies and all the waves on all the shores. It is yours, you wrote it, you thought it. You get to live with it. If I were to ever make a collection of memorable quotes from this thread (and there have been a few) this would definitely make the list. I'd like to say it brought a tear to my eye, but I'd be lying. Guess I'm too insignificant to catch its full thrust. But it don't matter anyways so hey. Still I liked it. :kiss:
I think I’ll rewrite without the specfics if this thread. Thanks cc.
Fairness has nothing to do with it, it's about realizing that nothing you do matters and there's no point to existing. Because the Universe is vaster than our comprehension and this is just one rock among many, a grain of sand in the desert. Deciding to enjoy life is not truly comprehending your insignificance and meaninglessness. I have accepted that fact, but that doesn't mean I like it.There's no logic here. If a single grain of sand in the desert is insignificant, then all grains of sand are insignificant, regardless of where they are, or what they interact with. Even if that grain makes a pearl, it doesn't matter, the pearl is insignificant. The desert doesn't matter, nor does the ocean. It doesn't matter that it gives life, because that life is only there to chew on the coral and digest it into sand and that sand will wash up on the shore and become part of the desert, all of which is insignificant because it is made of insignificant things. They are insignificant because they are part of something much larger that is beyond comprehension. It is vast because it is made of an incomprehensible amount of insignificant things. So it too is insignificant, it could be nothing else. So there is no logic by which to judge its significance. There is only your statement about what it is. It is independent of all the interactions of all the galaxies and all the waves on all the shores. It is yours, you wrote it, you thought it. You get to live with it. Edit: change dessert to desert. dessert actually does matter So agree that it's all insignificant. But humans aren't grains of sand, the logic does not apply.
I can’t believe I didn’t think of this one earlier. From Hunter S. Thompson.