# If the baby is born with a penis, it’s a boy. If a baby is born with a vagina, it’s a girl **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 26, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410 "2021-09-26T03:21:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/1 "2021-09-26T03:21:09Z")
Agree or disagree. Give explanation ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/2 "2021-09-26T03:40:56Z")
Did you forget the explanation I’ve already given? ---
**Author:** ![morgankane01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/morgankane01/32/28536_2.png) [@morgankane01](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/morgankane01)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 5:47am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/3 "2021-09-26T05:47:04Z")
I agree/disagree : - Every one or almost every one is born genetically with one sex, man or woman - everyone has a sexual orientation, heterosexual, homosexual, bi or asexual, - psychologically, everyone feels he belongs to a sex, man, woman or is gender fluid. In most cases,one felles like belonging to the sex one is genetically born with, -and society imposes on people genre, as a set of behaviors and feelings one must follow, according its genetic sex. Genre is not natural, it is a social construct. More and more people dont want to live and behave according to one’s genre. It means that one can be genetically a man, be heterosexual, feels belonging to the other sex and not wanting to behave according to most of the social stereotypes, even if wearing skirts. Is one a man or woman ? smiley: ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/4 "2021-09-26T06:19:53Z")
[quote=“mitch70, post:1, topic:8410, full:true”] > If the baby is born with a penis, it’s a boy. If a baby is born with a vagina, it’s a girl > Agree or disagree. > Give explanation Physically yes, but not necessarily biochemically, which shapes subjective gender identity. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/5 "2021-09-26T12:17:49Z")
The link here is very helpful > [@Trans-identity has gained some real steam since I 2010 when I argued with Occam](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/trans-identity-has-gained-some-real-steam-since-i-2010-when-i-argued-with-occam/8053/26): > > It’s not “what you were born as”, it’s “what you were assigned”. At birth, the doctor takes a quick look between your legs and picks M or F. That is not a complete diagnosis of your gender. Even the XX and XY can be expressed differently. You can have a Y, but there are other things that have to happen to activate the male, or you can have a Y but it is not activated, so you appear and feel female. I don’t know the details. All the variations are discussed in the first half-hour of this radio sh… ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 3:54pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/6 "2021-09-26T15:54:34Z")
I can honestly say that I agree with those who say they agree in that you are born with one gender or the other and I also agree that maybe one may prefer certain aspects/definitions of another gender. The reason being is that people have this idea of how a man should dress and how a woman should dress. It really makes no difference to me if a man wants to wear make-up and/or a dress. I really don’t care if they decide on the inside they are really the opposite gender they were born. They aren’t hurting anyone. Of course, if they physically/medically change themselves to the other, they might be harming themselves, especially if they decide later that was a BIG mistake they can’t reverse. Only time will tell concerning those who decide they are trans. So what if a man likes to wear make-up and occasionally wear a dress. This idea that only women wear dresses is just a gender stereotype that society has imposed on a people. Let’s take the kilt, which is said is not a dress. Maybe not, but anyone (man, woman, boy, girl) should be able to wear a kilt and now days anyone does, if they want. They might wear it the traditional way, but there is a kilt for everyone nowadays. As for makeup, even Sir Patrick Stewart wears makeup and so did Clark Gable. Doesn’t matter if it’s for work or every day use. Even Michael Jackson thought eyeliner was cool enough to wear even when not on stage- though he might have had it tattoo on his eyelids. ---
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/7 "2021-10-01T18:51:50Z")
There’s a lot for me to take in with the podcast since it’s 47 minutes long. It’ll take longer for me than the average person but what I can do is read the text while the audio is on and take notes on points that I agree or disagree on and bring it to this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![pointpath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/pointpath/32/4944_2.png) [@pointpath](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/pointpath)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/8 "2021-10-03T04:54:11Z")
Disagree, the biological evolutionary process is not perfect evidenced by nipples on males Born as a human baby in the imperfect biological evolutionary process. All babies possess distinguishing characteristics of chemistry, neuro-connections, and gender. In some cases, characteristics challenge the scale of natural processes. Certainly, there are cases where the physical appearance is not in agreement with dominant hormones or the perception of self. ---
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/9 "2021-10-06T04:05:44Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > I can honestly say that I agree with those who say they agree in that you are born with one gender or the other and I also agree that maybe one may prefer certain aspects/definitions of another gender. The reason being is that people have this idea of how a man should dress and how a woman should dress. It really makes no difference to me if a man wants to wear make-up and/or a dress. I really don’t care if they decide on the inside they are really the opposite gender they were born. They aren’t hurting anyone. Of course, if they physically/medically change themselves to the other, they might be harming themselves, especially if they decide later that was a BIG mistake they can’t reverse. Only time will tell concerning those who decide they are trans. > > So what if a man likes to wear make-up and occasionally wear a dress. This idea that only women wear dresses is just a gender stereotype that society has imposed on a people. Let’s take the kilt, which is said is not a dress. Maybe not, but anyone (man, woman, boy, girl) should be able to wear a kilt and now days anyone does, if they want. They might wear it the traditional way, but there is a kilt for everyone nowadays. As for makeup, even Sir Patrick Stewart wears makeup and so did Clark Gable. Doesn’t matter if it’s for work or every day use. Even Michael Jackson thought eyeliner was cool enough to wear even when not on stage- though he might have had it tattoo on his eyelids. It seems every time I try to dress up like Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan everyone wants to get the police involved. Why can’t a white guy dress up as his hero? ---
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/10 "2021-10-06T04:14:08Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > I can honestly say that I agree with those who say they agree in that you are born with one gender or the other and I also agree that maybe one may prefer certain aspects/definitions of another gender. The reason being is that people have this idea of how a man should dress and how a woman should dress. It really makes no difference to me if a man wants to wear make-up and/or a dress. I really don’t care if they decide on the inside they are really the opposite gender they were born. They aren’t hurting anyone. Of course, if they physically/medically change themselves to the other, they might be harming themselves, especially if they decide later that was a BIG mistake they can’t reverse. Only time will tell concerning those who decide they are trans. Here’s where I see things as getting harmful in raising your child. My son is 5 years old and he’s a boy. If you watched the video that I posted that was promoted as harassment training, the fact that I called my son a boy was considered wrong. Yeah no as the Canadians say. I’ll raise as I had my son by the sex he had been born with as a boy. I’ll do this up to puberty and up until he hits 18 years of age. I’m not going to pressure him but I will help him grow as a man. I’ll raise him by his sex but always let him know that once he hits 18 that he’s on his own. If he’s gay then my only disappointment would be the lack of grandchildren. Other than that, I did my part. I’m not forcing my views on him, but I also don’t want people from the outside pressuring him into becoming something he’s not. ---
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/11 "2021-10-06T05:31:28Z")
> [@Are there any words that people misuse all time that gets under your skin?](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/are-there-any-words-that-people-misuse-all-time-that-gets-under-your-skin/8403/6): > > For me, it’s a phrase (2 really) “ain’t got no…” and the other one “Where ya at?” Both are grammatically wrong and hurts my ears. Mriana you did it to yourself the moment you decided to live in MS. 😂 J/K btw. I think we need some light humor in this forum. P.S. I have a small “possible” correction for you though: > [@Are there any words that people misuse all time that gets under your skin?](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/are-there-any-words-that-people-misuse-all-time-that-gets-under-your-skin/8403/6): > > “Where ya at?” In the South Central/East US I thought the colloquial was “Y’all” meaning “You All”. I could be wrong, but here in SoCal we did it dirty and lowered it to “Where you at?”. California has a habit of dumbing things down to its lowest common denominator. > [@Are there any words that people misuse all time that gets under your skin?](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/are-there-any-words-that-people-misuse-all-time-that-gets-under-your-skin/8403/6): > > “ain’t got no…” Again this is light-hearted and not an attack. I think the word you have a problem with here is “Aint” which is obviously completely informal. BUT!!! There are times when “Ain’t” fit’s the mood. Ain’t No Sunshine Bill Withers [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/0/6/06667dde0fc4780bf3b77868476b204c4243290a.jpeg "Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICIOJqEb5c) Ain’t that a Shame? Fats Domino [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/ab9096f03d1856d666fbd9403e408bccf9e030fe.jpeg "FATS DOMINO. AIN'T THAT A SHAME. FILMED PERFORMANCE 1956") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbCgz2RKIow) The saddest thing black people ever gave up was Soul Music and Blues for rap. What they had in the '70s and '80s was something that hit me deeply at an emotional level. @Mriana I’ll informally apologize to you for dragging you into the issues involving women that I had with the song. A black woman by the name of CardiB rapped about her “Wet Ass Pussy” and brought all women to the forefront of women’s empowerment. Here’s the video made for the rap [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/451756a95edc5449a53880172865d49cfdf137ad.jpeg "Cardi B - WAP feat. Megan Thee Stallion [Official Music Video]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs) Here’s the MTV Video awards live show given in 2020. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/1X/a1028b7d0374c85b26e6658fd6f70de83ff6f4f5.jpeg "Cardi B - Up / WAP feat. Megan Thee Stallion (Live from the 63rd GRAMMYs ®️ 2021)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnBZLFB7kLo) Fluke incident? Yeah no (as the Canadians say) a major white female pop star found women empowerment in the song. > **[Adele Gets Down to Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion's 'WAP': Watch](https://www.etonline.com/adele-gets-down-to-cardi-b-and-megan-thee-stallions-wap-watch-171254)** > > A fan page shared a video of the GRAMMY-winning singer dancing to the hit song while at a party recently. mriana I offended you in every way that I could to make you realize that this isn’t just some fly-by-night issue. This is the direction people are headed in the US. I’d scream cry and resist, but it’s not my sex, so why should I care if you don’t honestly, if you’re okay with this, then I’ll drop it. How about this Mriana. I give you this one great thing over me. If you say that nothing I’ve posted here matters, and that the video is a great expression of womanhood, then I’ll move on in my life, and never talk about it on this forum. Please just say to me that “None of this matters”, and I’ll move on, never to mention this again on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/12 "2021-10-06T12:04:43Z")
> [@mitch70](#): > > Here’s where I see things as getting harmful in raising your child. My son is 5 years old and he’s a boy. lol I’m long since done raising my sons. My older son/child, who requests gender neutral wording and alike, is 32 years, a grown man (or person, as he prefers), so he can do what he wants and request the sort of respect he wants to receive. I’ve long since raised my son, so I don’t see what I said is harmful in raising my son, when I’ve long been done with raising children. > [@mitch70](#): > > I’ll raise him by his sex but always let him know that once he hits 18 that he’s on his own. So, if he wants a “My Buddy” doll, (a doll in the 90s for little boys) you will deny him that? Or if he wants to cook and clean house, you’ll discourage him from doing that? If he wants to grow his hair long, you’ll deny him from doing what he wants with his hair? That’s a bit old fashion. Old fashion as in a throwback prior to the 70s, where the demands to be stereotypical, gender wise was in high demand. ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/13 "2021-10-07T00:30:56Z")
> [@mitch70](#): > > If you watched the video that I posted that was promoted as harassment training, You’re discussing across multiple threads here. This isn’t a major rule violation, but the reason for it is obvious. I don’t feel like tracking down something from you. > [@mitch70](#): > > I’ll raise as I had my son by the sex he had been born with as a boy. I’ll do this up to puberty and up until he hits 18 years of age. Not surprised that you take this centuries old attitude. I hope his hormones, his DNA, and his own feelings about who he is line up with a 10 second diagnosis made by an OB/GYN. Otherwise, he’ll need therapy, will just be miserable, or worse. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/14 "2021-10-07T02:13:21Z")
It works for the vast majority of people so why be skeptical of it. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/15 "2021-10-07T03:57:58Z")
> [quote=“thatoneguy, post:14, topic:8410, full:true”] > It works for the vast majority of people so why be skeptical of it. No it doesn’t. It is not necessary for the vast majority of people. But for those whose brain does not chemically identify with their physical body, it does not work. I am very skeptical of trying to force a person to identify with something they cannot do. That’s why many gender confused persons commit suicide. > Studies show that the prevalence of _suicide_ thoughts and attempts among transgender adults is significantly higher than that of the U.S. general population. > Respondents who experienced discrimination or were a victim of violence were more likely to report suicide thoughts and attempts. > Respondents who experienced family rejection were also more likely to report attempting suicide. > **Access to gender-affirming medical care is associated with a lower prevalence of suicide thoughts and attempts.** > **[Suicide Thoughts and Attempts Among Transgender Adults](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/)** ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/16 "2021-10-07T11:26:56Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It works for the vast majority of people Sure, and curbs work for the majority, so why did we make all those cut outs for wheel chairs? ---
**Author:** ![mriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mriana/32/18174_2.png) [@mriana](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mriana)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/17 "2021-10-07T12:10:34Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It works for the vast majority of people so why be skeptical of it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one? That doesn’t always work. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/18 "2021-10-08T02:23:04Z")
It’s the only thing that works. ---
**Author:** ![write4u](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/write4u/32/23410_2.png) [@write4u](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/write4u)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/19 "2021-10-08T04:48:14Z")
> [quote=“thatoneguy, post:18, topic:8410, full:true”] > It’s the only thing that works. What is it that works? You think you can brainwash a person into gender identification, rather than Nature? Why is it that people who try to brainwash gays into straights always fail so miserably? If it works on straights it should work on gays, no ? ---
**Author:** ![mitch70](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/mitch70/32/28536_2.png) [@mitch70](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/mitch70)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410/20 "2021-10-08T04:53:25Z")
> [@mriana](#): > > So, if he wants a “My Buddy” doll, (a doll in the 90s for little boys) you will deny him that? Or if he wants to cook and clean house, you’ll discourage him from doing that? If he wants to grow his hair long, you’ll deny him from doing what he wants with his hair? That’s a bit old fashion. Old fashion as in a throwback prior to the 70s, where the demands to be stereotypical, gender wise was in high demand. No, I’ll pretty much raise him as a boy. If he wants to clean up the house or do dishes, grow his hair long, or do the laundry, then I know he’s definitely being a boy because no women today want to take those roles. Women today are about independence and not fitting into any stereotypes. My son will do great when I raise him as a man and let him decide what he wants to be in the end. [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/if-the-baby-is-born-with-a-penis-it-s-a-boy-if-a-baby-is-born-with-a-vagina-it-s-a-girl/8410.md?page=2)