# Horowitz reminded us, today that in 2016 the FBI had agents who were pro T rump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics and Social Issues\ **Created:** [December 12, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892 "2019-12-12T01:12:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![timb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3e96dc/32.png) [@timb](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/timb)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/1 "2019-12-12T01:12:54Z")
[https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ig-horowitz-reveals-investigations-ongoing-into-reported-fbi-leaks-to-giuliani-over-clinton-probe/](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ig-horowitz-reveals-investigations-ongoing-into-reported-fbi-leaks-to-giuliani-over-clinton-probe/) There were FBI agents who had pro T rump emails, in 2016. It wasn’t just the 2 love birds who didn’t like T rump. In fact, the FBI agents that actually did effect the 2016 Campaign in T rump’s favor, were the ones in the New York branch office who leaked info to Rudy Giuliani back then. That seems to have lead to Comey’s going public around that time, which was a very untimely disaster for Clinton’s election prospects. Another hot off the press report about Giuliani, is that just a few months ago, his goon, Lev Parnas, got a million dollars sent to them from someone in (where else?) Russia. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/2 "2024-02-27T14:28:45Z")
GOP Running Russian Disinformation for the American people. Who’s in charge? > **[The Smirnov affair: MAGA Republicans are useful idiots for Russian intelligence](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/02/smirnov-biden-fbi-comer-jordan-giuliani-russia-ukraine-burisma-impeachment/)** > > How GOP lawmakers got caught doing Moscow's dirty work. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/c/9/c908301eda6569e002e321a754c56ff82da7100d.jpeg "Jim Jordan ROCKED with surprise legal news") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcHUzcQnQbI) > Feb 26, 2024 [The Legal Breakdown with BTC & Glenn Kirschner](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOMpnzRkbFsj8QbCNF8BxokvhQIgykS6R) > > The Legal Breakdown episode 206: [@GlennKirschner2](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrWmonkmTk5NbvmVnc7f70w) discusses Jim Jordan and James Comers’ complicity with a US attorney who helped launder Russian disinformation to Congress. > 15:00 > > I warned everybody that this would be a pretty crazy episode I think it’s important to talk about this stuff even though it is so convoluted, > > **Because I mean at its core this is the basis for an effort by Republicans to launder Russian disinformation to try and impeach a Democratic president in the United State** s > > I mean I know we get normalized to so much of this stuff. but like there’s that we adapt to so much of this stuff but this can’t become normalized and so I think that > > Republicans are probably relying on the fact that this is so convoluted so that nobody will talk about it > > ## but it’s absolutely worth talking about . . . [https://www.meidastouch.com/news/jim-jordans-pathetic-response-to-pushing-russian-disinformation](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/jim-jordans-pathetic-response-to-pushing-russian-disinformation) > **[Rep. Jamie Raskin Says GOP Biden Impeachment Inquiry "Essentially Ended" with...](https://www.c-span.org/video/?533716-103%2Frep-jamie-raskin-james-biden-deposition-alexander-smirnov-indictment)** > > House Oversight and Accountability Committee Ranking Member Jamie Raskin (D-MD) spoke to reporters after hearing the deposition from James Biden, President Joe Biden's brother. The committee was looking to see if President Biden was involved in any... When will there be some accountability? ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/3 "2024-02-27T21:16:03Z")
Clinton camp first blamed FBI for their loss but then turn its attention to Russia as the fall guy flying on the coat tails of cold war propaganda > **[Clinton blames FBI director for presidential election loss](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/clinton-blames-fbi-director-election-loss)** > > Hillary Clinton is blaming the FBI's decision to revive its examination of her email accounts for her devastating defeat in the presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:24am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/4 "2024-02-28T10:24:53Z")
Plenty of blame and dirty tricks to spread around. You’re not trying to pretend the claims regarding Russia are all false? > **[Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections)** > > This is a timeline of events related to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. > It includes events described in investigations into the myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies until July 2016, with July 2016 through election day November 8, 2016, following. Events and investigations also occurred during the presidential transition from November 9, 2016, to January 20, 2017, and continued through the first and second halves of 2017; the first a... [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-report-alleging-russia-election-interference-shared-with-100-2023-10-20/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-report-alleging-russia-election-interference-shared-with-100-2023-10-20/) > **[Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/election-interference-russia-2020-assessment.html)** > > The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election. > **[Intelligence Report: Russia Tried To Help Trump In 2020 Election](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/16/977958302/intelligence-report-russia-tried-to-help-trump-in-2020-election)** > > The report says Russian leader Vladimir Putin authorized a campaign to assist former President Donald Trump and undermine Joe Biden, though it was not on the same scale as Moscow's efforts in 2016. > **[Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2020_United_States_elections)** > > Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections was a matter of concern at the highest level of national security within the United States government, in addition to the computer and social media industries. In 2020, the RAND Corporation was one of the first to release research describing Russia's playbook for interfering in U.S. elections, developed machine-learning tools to detect the interference, and tested strategies to counter Russian interference. In February and In response ... > **[Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russias-2024-election-interference-already-begun-rcna134204)** > > Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say. ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/5 "2024-02-28T10:54:28Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > You’re not trying to pretend the claims regarding Russia are all false? > > [Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections) Not pretend . Made up to hide clintons terrible campaign and another out of touch neo liberal ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/6 "2024-02-28T13:03:44Z")
Just because Clinton did run a terrible campaign, doesn’t mean Russian interference didn’t happen, or that it didn’t play a major roll in her defeat. Just cause you choose to ignore facts. I don’t see you producing any evidence to the contrary. A two-bit biased bashing by SkyNews not withstanding. ---
**Author:** ![dadada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@dadada](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/dadada)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/7 "2024-02-28T22:36:55Z")
Did not happened to what the russiagaters are screaming about. Russia changed american minds and in large numbers to affect an election is laughable ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/8 "2024-02-28T22:59:24Z")
> [@dadada](#): > > Did not happened to what the russiagaters are screaming about. Russia changed american minds and in large numbers to affect an election is laughable > **[Cambridge Analytica: how did it turn clicks into votes?](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/06/cambridge-analytica-how-turn-clicks-into-votes-christopher-wylie)** > > Whistleblower Christopher Wylie explains the science behind Cambridge Analytica’s mission to transform surveys and Facebook data into a political messaging weapon > **[Cambridge Analytica, the shady data firm that might be a key Trump-Russia...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/16/15657512/cambridge-analytica-facebook-alexander-nix-christopher-wylie)** > > Why House investigators think this company might have gamed Facebook and helped Russia spread fake news. [WIKI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal#:~:text=While%20Cambridge%20Analytica%20claimed%20it,affected%20U.S.%20state%2C%20with%206.7) Nothing to laugh at, it’s grotesques. # 2024 update > **[How pro-Trump bots are sowing division in the Republican Party: Report](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pro-trump-bots-sowing-division-republican-party-report/story?id=97997613)** > > Thousands of automated Twitter accounts appear to be praising Donald Trump and ridiculing his political rivals, according to a social analysis firm. > **[‘Disinformation on steroids’: is the US prepared for AI’s influence on the...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/26/ai-deepfakes-disinformation-election)** > > Robocalls of President Biden confused voters earlier this month – but measures to curb the technology could be too little too late > **[How AI Bots Could Sabotage 2024 Elections around the World](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-ai-bots-could-sabotage-2024-elections-around-the-world/)** > > AI-generated disinformation will target voters on a near-daily basis in more than 50 countries, according to a new analysis Like I said there’s nothing to laugh about, or to dismiss, or to pretend that it doesn’t exist. Your Russian allegiance is showing > **[Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russias-2024-election-interference-already-begun-rcna134204)** > > Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say. . . , _{Mod - That’s interesting, this time I received a notice the a quote had been deleted. No explanation, just confirming. Nice, it’s not my imagination. 😉}_ ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/9 "2024-02-29T02:58:47Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > Nothing to laugh at, it’s grotesques. The basic argument from, you know, people, is that propaganda is ineffective. Of course, if they are talking about leaders they don’t like who are saying things they think are lies then suddenly that’s a horrible thing that is rotting the minds of the youth and tearing at the fabric of the nation. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/10 "2024-02-29T03:33:35Z")
The main point in this case is not that propaganda is ineffective. It’s that propaganda was not necessary for Trump to be elected. Very few people who voted for Trump were on the fence and needed to be nudged by _Russia._ ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/11 "2024-02-29T03:42:59Z")
Just doing some late night scrolling and saw this very appropriate quote ![1000004756](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/9/2/92ed098330cc258c203cf6fb5a930ca00c0a5b48.jpeg) It’s a POV problem. If you’re looking at it as logical people considering facts and choosing between Russian misinformation and verifiable data, then yeah, people choose wisely. If you you’re looking at lazy people who feel left out and want someone to blame for their problems, then a story about deleted emails is just the ticket. So, how many of each of those people are there? ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/12 "2024-02-29T04:35:02Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > It’s that propaganda was not necessary for Trump to be elected. That’s so bizarre. You remember trump’s number on schtick back then. Obama didn’t have a birth certificate and was an illegitimate president. This from the host of a TV “reality show” J C Almighty, **propaganda is all the illiterate fool ever had!** Oh speaking of Jesus, I just found out the Bible identifies our MAGA man trump as the anti-christ, you’ll have to check out the religion board for that. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/13 "2024-02-29T04:41:58Z")
A little more on **the propaganda dependence of trump** : [https://www.american.edu/ucm/news/20190908-alt-right-twitter.cfm](https://www.american.edu/ucm/news/20190908-alt-right-twitter.cfm) > First published online April 3, 2018 > > # [The Algorithmic Rise of the “Alt-Right”](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504218766547) > > [Jessie Daniels](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504218766547#con)[View all authors and affiliations](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1536504218766547#tab-contributors) > > [Volume 17, Issue 1](https://journals.sagepub.com/toc/ctxa/17/1) ## Abstract > As with so many technologies, the Internet’s racism was programmed right in—and it’s quickly fueled the spread of White supremacist, xenophobic rhetoric throughout the western world. > > On a late summer evening in 2017, members of the far-right descended on Charlottesville, Virginia with tiki-torches held up in defense of confederate general Robert E. Lee’s statue in what was dubbed a “Unite the Right” rally, which had been organized mostly online. The next day, August 13, White nationalists rallied again and violently clashed with counter protestors. One drove his car into a multiracial crowd, killing one and seriously injuring 19 others. As it has turned out, the events in Charlottesville were a watershed moment in the algorithmic rise of White nationalism in the U.S. > > White nationalism has gone “from being a conversation you could hold in a bathroom, to the front parlor,” according to William H. Regnery II. A multimillionaire, Regnery has spent a significant sum of his inherited wealth pushing his “race realist” agenda via a publishing house and the National Policy Institute, a think-tank. When his protégé and grantee, Richard Spencer, coined the new term “alt-right” in 2008, few took notice. Back then, Jared Taylor, publisher of the White nationalist site American Renaissance, said he thought of his own efforts as “just making a racket,” but now he sees himself as part of an ascendant social movement, with Spencer in a lead role. He, along with Jason Kessler, helped organize the rally in Charlottesville. … > **[From hope to hate: how the early internet fed the far right](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/31/far-right-alt-right-white-supremacists-rise-online)** > > The early days of the internet were full of hope: limitless information would make us wiser, kinder, less bigoted. So when did hate get a foothold? Stop kidding yourself! # Guess the point is, it was all contrived, # and built on a house of strategic lies and tactical deception, ## and white resentment at the notion of having to share a little with other races in the brave new world heading our way. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/14 "2024-02-29T05:10:45Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > Just doing some late night scrolling and saw this very appropriate quote > > ![1000004756](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/centerforinquiry/original/3X/9/2/92ed098330cc258c203cf6fb5a930ca00c0a5b48.jpeg) > > It’s a POV problem. If you’re looking at it as logical people considering facts and choosing between Russian misinformation and verifiable data, then yeah, people choose wisely. If you you’re looking at lazy people who feel left out and want someone to blame for their problems, then a story about deleted emails is just the ticket. So, how many of each of those people are there? The deleted emails thing was a sideshow. Trump’s appeal stemmed from his blunt “America First” talking points. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 5:31am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/15 "2024-02-29T05:31:25Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > It’s that propaganda was not necessary for Trump to be elected. > > That’s so bizarre. > > You remember trump’s number on schtick back then. > Obama didn’t have a birth certificate and was an illegitimate president. > This from the host of a TV “reality show” > > J C Almighty, **propaganda is all the illiterate fool ever had!** > > Oh speaking of Jesus, I just found out the Bible identifies our MAGA man trump as the anti-christ, you’ll have to check out the religion board for that. You of all people should remember the MAGA movement he started, since you mention it in every thread. He shifted the Overton Window and that’s why he became a political force. No Russian propaganda needed. As for the birther movement – it was around years before Trump’s campaign started and he only spoke about it rarely compared to the rest of his talking points. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 5:36am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/16 "2024-02-29T05:36:15Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > A little more on **the propaganda dependence of trump** : > > [https://www.american.edu/ucm/news/20190908-alt-right-twitter.cfm](https://www.american.edu/ucm/news/20190908-alt-right-twitter.cfm) Yes, the so-called Alt-Right existed long before Trump and the internet facilitates communication between everyone, including racists. What does that have to do with Russian propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![lausten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/lausten/32/23705_2.png) [@lausten](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/lausten)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/17 "2024-02-29T13:01:01Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > The deleted emails thing was a sideshow. Hardly the point. I’m not going to name every conspiracy theory. And yes, Trump’s dumbed down talking points are part of what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![citizenschallengev4](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/citizenschallengev4/32/28718_2.png) [@citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/citizenschallengev4)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/18 "2024-02-29T14:45:07Z")
> [@thatoneguy](#): > > You of all people should remember the MAGA movement he started, You mean with [Gingrich](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/)?, or [the Tea Party](https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/)? > [@thatoneguy](#): > > since you mention it in every thread. #### That’s because those are the only threads you bother to notice. Broaden your horizons: > [@In Defense of Women](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/in-defense-of-women/10550/21): > > My sister sent me a text asking why I was sending this to Democrats, rather than opponents of Women’s Rights? Fortunately I had just finished answering that question in an introduction for a blog post I was building to advertise this [GoFundMe project](https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-defense-of-women-postcard-activism). She doesn’t know that this GFM project is an outgrowth of me wanting to ask my sibs to kick in a little, but I hate asking for money, so I wanted to be less direct, and this came to mind. Why I think it deserves some support? Well, because I … * * * > [@thatoneguy](#): > > He shifted the Overton Window and that’s why he became a political force. No Russian propaganda needed. As for the birther movement – **it was around years before Trump’s campaign started** and he only spoke about it rarely compared to the rest of his talking points. You might have a point there and yes the “Overton Window” is a thing, but you’re still missing the substance of the MAGA movement - an Overton Window on steroids, and it still remains that: **Trump couldn’t have been done it without the Putin the KGB’s’s attentive grooming and support, and their digital bull horn of focused, tactical and strategic online deception.** > it was around years before Trump’s campaign started [https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/piling-up-incriminating-information-about-trumps-russian-connections/2021/01/28/a0b53b80-5029-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/piling-up-incriminating-information-about-trumps-russian-connections/2021/01/28/a0b53b80-5029-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html) > **[‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book)** > > The KGB ‘played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality’, Yuri Shvets, a key source for a new book, tells the Guardian > **[Trump’s ties to the Russian mafia go back 3 decades](https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger)** > > Journalist Craig Unger talks Russia, Trump, and “one of the greatest intelligence operations in history.” > # [American Kompromat a summary:](https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/american-kompromat-en) > > By Craig Unger > > ### How the KGB Cultivated Donald Trump, and Related Tales of Sex, Greed, Power, and Treachery > > ## Key ideas in American Kompromat > > ### Introduction > > ### The KGB had established contact with Donald Trump by 1980. > > ### The KGB exploited Trump’s personality and desires. > > ### Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking operation produced endless streams of kompromat. > > ### The Catholic sect Opus Dei successfully infiltrated the US government. > > ### William Barr’s authoritarian ideals helped expand Trump’s power. > > ### Trump wielded executive power that greatly served Vladimir Putin. > # [Polarization, Democracy, and Political Violence in the United States: What the Research Says](https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/09/05/polarization-democracy-and-political-violence-in-united-states-what-research-says-pub-90457) > > [RACHEL KLEINFELD](https://carnegieendowment.org/experts/699) > > - SEPTEMBER 05, 2023 > - PAPER ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/19 "2024-03-01T03:36:57Z")
> [@citizenschallengev4](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > You of all people should remember the MAGA movement he started, > > You mean with [Gingrich](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/)?, or [the Tea Party](https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/)? > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > since you mention it in every thread. > > #### That’s because those are the only threads you bother to notice. Broaden your horizons: > > [In Defense of Women - #21 by citizenschallengev4](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/in-defense-of-women/10550/21) > > * * * > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > He shifted the Overton Window and that’s why he became a political force. No Russian propaganda needed. As for the birther movement – **it was around years before Trump’s campaign started** and he only spoke about it rarely compared to the rest of his talking points. > > You might have a point there and yes the “Overton Window” is a thing, but you’re still missing the substance of the MAGA movement - an Overton Window on steroids, and it still remains that: **Trump couldn’t have been done it without the Putin the KGB’s’s attentive grooming and support, and their digital bull horn of focused, tactical and strategic online deception.** > > > it was around years before Trump’s campaign started > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/piling-up-incriminating-information-about-trumps-russian-connections/2021/01/28/a0b53b80-5029-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/piling-up-incriminating-information-about-trumps-russian-connections/2021/01/28/a0b53b80-5029-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html) > > [‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy | Donald Trump | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book) > > [Mueller news: Trump’s longstanding ties to the Russian mob | Vox](https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/12/17764132/trump-fbi-russia-new-york-times-craig-unger) > > > # [American Kompromat a summary:](https://www.blinkist.com/en/books/american-kompromat-en) > > > > By Craig Unger > > > > ### How the KGB Cultivated Donald Trump, and Related Tales of Sex, Greed, Power, and Treachery > > > > ## Key ideas in American Kompromat > > > > ### Introduction > > > > ### The KGB had established contact with Donald Trump by 1980. > > > > ### The KGB exploited Trump’s personality and desires. > > > > ### Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking operation produced endless streams of kompromat. > > > > ### The Catholic sect Opus Dei successfully infiltrated the US government. > > > > ### William Barr’s authoritarian ideals helped expand Trump’s power. > > > > ### Trump wielded executive power that greatly served Vladimir Putin. > > > # [Polarization, Democracy, and Political Violence in the United States: What the Research Says](https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/09/05/polarization-democracy-and-political-violence-in-united-states-what-research-says-pub-90457) > > > > [RACHEL KLEINFELD](https://carnegieendowment.org/experts/699) > > > > - SEPTEMBER 05, 2023 > > - PAPER I’ve seen all of these theories before. They read like biased journalists took a bunch of cliches from 90s political thrillers and mixed them together. They should try to be more original with their cartoonishly evil Trump fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![thatoneguy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.centerforinquiry.org/thatoneguy/32/28536_2.png) [@thatoneguy](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/u/thatoneguy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892/20 "2024-03-01T03:40:12Z")
> [@lausten](#): > > > [@thatoneguy](#): > > > > The deleted emails thing was a sideshow. > > Hardly the point. I’m not going to name every conspiracy theory. And yes, Trump’s dumbed down talking points are part of what I’m talking about. If it’s not the point why single out the deleted email? [Next page](https://forum.centerforinquiry.org/t/horowitz-reminded-us-today-that-in-2016-the-fbi-had-agents-who-were-pro-t-rump/6892.md?page=2)