The obtuseness is unfucking believable. That's why the future holds nothing but doom and gloom. Zero thoughtfulness, zero interest in learning, beating down supposed (and mostly self-created) enemies is all you clowns know. You have no clue about our living infinitely interconnected biosphere nor how the climate system operates. Worse you don't care to learn.Agreed. From Dusty's petty squabbling to Yohe's fantasies to Vy's nonsense they're all missing the big picture, and proud of it. We have met the enemy and they are us. HE is us. Or, he is U.S. Lois
But seriously folks. . . . . . .Or put more simply, "Ignorance is bliss" and some people will clearly go to extreme efforts to maintain that blissful state of uninformed ignorance, not caring in the slightest what the consequences are for everybody else. Part of that intentional ignorance is denying that other people matter at all.Unfortunately, Ignorance Feels Blissful: The Dunning-Kruger Effect By Leigh Pretnar Cousins, MS http://blogs.psychcentral.com/always-learning/2016/04/unfortunately-ignorance-feels-blissful-the-dunning-kruger-effect/ . . . Psychologists call this the Dunning-Kruger Effect, in which ignorant people often have great confidence in their “knowledge," whereas better-informed people tend to doubt themselves. This counter-intuitive effect does make some sense: When a person knows little about a subject, the subject seems simple! Then, as the person learns more, she begins to glimpse the depth and complexity and becomes less sure of her expertise. The Dunning-Kruger Effect is the stuff of both comedy and tragedy in adult decision-making. Next time you click on the news to see a politician ranting in simplistic terms about some highly nuanced issue he clearly knows nothing about, or you observe an outsider blithely stepping into a complex situation to “solve" it, you are seeing the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action. Dunning-Kruger helps explain those sweeping generalizations adolescents often make. . . .The Dunning-Kruger Effect: Are the Stupid Too Stupid to Realize They’re Stupid? February 23, 2015 by Bob Seidensticker http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2015/02/the-dunning-kruger-effect-are-the-stupid-too-stupid-to-realize-theyre-stupid/
You swallow scare tactic bullshit hook line and sinker. Think for yourself and study something about the water cycle and the watersheds of the rivers you cite before you hysterically cry about the "threat to billions of people".That's not going to happen with most of these folks. They started out scared shitless about one thing and keep shifting to other things. And they try to get other people to believe it..just like true Fundies and Evangelicals.(that some of them used to be.) It's the mindset. The personality type. They stripped themselves of religion and found a new thing to hysterically proselytize about. Threats to billions of people! Right....They have to have a common fear. Something they can warn everyone about. Billions and billions! :lol: It's not the mindset you psychopath, it's the sheer relentlessness of the physics and the scale of the changes that we are collectively forcing on a global system we all depend on for our lives and future. http://www.skepticalscience.com/4-Hiroshima-bombs-worth-of-heat-per-second.html
The slope of the global heat accumulation graph tells us how rapidly the Earth's climate is building up heat. Over the past decade, the rate is 8 x 1021 Joules per year, or 2.5 x 1014 Joules per second. The yield of the Hiroshima atomic bomb was 6.3 x 1013 Joules, hence the rate of global heat accumulation is equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. That's nearly 2 billion atomic bomb detonations worth of heat accumulating in the Earth's climate system since 1998, when we're told global warming supposedly 'paused'. That has to be the worst pause ever.So not only are glaciers that in many regions are important for maintaining year round water supply going to disappear, but the polar ice sheets will face inevitable breakdown eventually raising sea levels by over 200 hundred feet impacting billions of people worldwide. At the same time rapidly shifting temperature zones will force millions of species who can't adapt or relocate fast enough to go extinct making large scale ecological collapse not just likely but unavoidable. Throw in increased range of disease vectors like mosquitoes, mega droughts, greatly increased extreme weather events and more and it creates a growing catastrophe that if taken far enough will drive our species to the point of extinction. So the only thing you're really communicating by your contempt is what a complete psychopath you truly are to not care in the slightest the massive distress this is already causing millions of people. Which will only increase.
And the reason this growing catastrophe isn’t being taken entirely seriously on a systemic level is that because the same psychopaths who bring us cancer, lung disease, stroke and more on a vast scale got together with the psychopaths in the fossil fuel sector to give us all the equivalent of a four pack a day habit.
For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus scientific bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a decade. But who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the strange role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his new book, George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story.http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2006/sep/20/oilandpetrol.business
Britain's leading scientists have challenged the US oil company ExxonMobil to stop funding groups that attempt to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change. In an unprecedented step, the Royal Society, Britain's premier scientific academy, has written to the oil giant to demand that the company withdraws support for dozens of groups that have "misrepresented the science of climate change by outright denial of the evidence".http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/
The largest, most-consistent money fueling the climate denial movement are a number of well-funded conservative foundations built with so-called "dark money," or concealed donations, according to an analysis released Friday afternoon. The study, by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert Brulle, is the first academic effort to probe the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the climate denial movement.
In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.So the people who have dedicated their lives to understanding nature in a way that can be a great benefit to us all have effectively been silenced by the zero sum thinkers who must truly believe that for others to succeed they must then fail. Otherwise why do so much harm in their own interests. Climate change denial is the lowest form of human expression because it denies any value of human life other than something that can be turned into a short term "profit" for a tiny percentage of the population. The same psychopaths that did everything they could to make sure that millions of people died excruciating deaths caused by their products and their loved ones suffered along with them, are now applying that contempt for life to our entire and millions of other species. And we're watching a few of them hard at work at that here...
That's why the future holds nothing but doom and gloom.You see what I'm talking about. It's pathological. Doom and gloom. Woe is me.....
Amid all that feather rustling I haven’t seen anything that shows that glaciers are essential yet.
Someone lamely tried to show how they are essential to fresh water…that was hyperbole.
They are not essential to drinking water. Or irrigation, or anything…except certain tourist spots.
Just because some bottled water has pictures of glaciers and snow covered mountains doesn’t mean that’s where the water came from folks.
SP - Do you really need a source to explain how the spread of life works? CC - Yes! Why not produce that book that describes the transition form a barren mountain valley to a lush farming valley.Wowwww. It is hard to anticipate this level of non-education. Ok, just look up Krakatoa for one small example of how life spreads into a devastation zone. Hike the Ice Age Trail and you can see what nature looks like after the ice melts. Incredible. You really do not understand that when ice melts life moves in?
LoisL HE is us. Or, he is U.S. LoisSorry Lois, I don't see myself as my enemy, nor do I see the USA as the enemy.
DougC - So not only are glaciers that in many regions are important for maintaining year round water supply going to disappear, but the polar ice sheets will face inevitable breakdown eventually raising sea levels by over 200 hundred feet impacting billions of people worldwide. At the same time rapidly shifting temperature zones will force millions of species who can’t adapt or relocate fast enough to go extinct making large scale ecological collapse not just likely but unavoidable. Throw in increased range of disease vectors like mosquitoes, mega droughts, greatly increased extreme weather events and more and it creates a growing catastrophe that if taken far enough will drive our species to the point of extinction.I changed my mind, there is a god, there must be, just look at the miraculous survival of life through all the climate changes there have been on Earth. But, that party's over, this time its doomsday for sure. God hates us now, probably because we are a fag nation.
I changed my mind, there is a god, there must be, just look at the miraculous survival of life through all the climate changes there have been on Earth. But, that party's over, this time its doomsday for sure. God hates us now, probably because we are a fag nation.What mind? Rapid climate change associated with increases of atmospheric CO2 is almost certainly the greatest killer on the planet. http://www.livescience.com/24091-extreme-global-warming-mass-extinction.html
The fruits of this labor? "We've got a case of extreme global warming, the most extreme ever seen in the last 600 million years," Wignall said. "We think the main reason for the dead zone after the end-Permian is a very hot planet, particularly in equatorial parts of the world." [The Harshest Environments on Earth] The upper part of the ocean may have reached about 100 degrees F (38 degrees C), and sea-surface temperatures may have exceeded 104 degrees F (40 degrees C). For comparison, today's average annual sea-surface temperatures around the equator are 77 to 86 degrees F (25 to 30 degrees C). "Photosynthesis starts to shut down at about 35 degrees C [95 degrees F], and plants often start dying at temperatures above 40 degrees C [104 degrees F]," Wignall said. "This would explain why there's not much fossil record of plants at the end-Permian— for instance, there are no peat swamps forming, no coal-forming whatsoever. This was a huge, devastating extinction."http://www.astrobio.net/topic/origins/origin-and-evolution-of-life/a-one-two-punch-caused-the-k-t-mass-extinction/
Researchers led by Princeton Professor of Geosciences Gerta Keller report this month in the Journal of the Geological Society of India that marine sediments from Deccan lava flows show that the population of a plankton species widely used to gauge the fallout of prehistoric catastrophes plummeted nearly 100 percent in the thousands of years leading up to the mass extinction. This eradication occurred in sync with the largest eruption phase of the Deccan Traps — the second of three — when the volcanoes pumped the atmosphere full of climate-altering carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, the researchers report. The less severe third phase of Deccan activity kept the Earth nearly uninhabitable for the next 500,000 years, the researchers report. A substantially weaker first phase occurred roughly 2.5 million years before the second-phase eruptions.Life did survive these catastrophes, but it was just a few species and it took millions of years for the biosphere to recover to any kind of diversity it had before, in the case of the Permian extinction it took up to 100 million years to recover to the same diversity on a family level. In the case of the end Cretaceous over 75% of species were lost. We're now adding CO2 to the atmosphere on a level 100 times or more as volcanic activity and replicating the worst biological disasters in history. https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm So while the psychopaths have no problem at all with killing us all off, is that really something the rest of us want?
You see what I'm talking about. It's pathological. Doom and gloom. Woe is me.....Oh there's a sick pathology at work here for certain, but it's yours. Otherwise you would have responded differently to the fact that human activities have added the equivalent of the heat from 2 billion Hiroshima sized nukes between 1998 and 2013 alone. And the more CO2 we add to the global environment the hotter the entire planet is getting completely reordering the climate here. With catastrophic consequences that is only being denied on a systemic level because the people most responsible can only really think about themselves. As you constantly demonstrate.
Is there any question that deniers are engaged in anti-science or why?
There’s an entire political movement that is based on anti-science/anti-rational thought.
Republicans are handing their presidential nomination to a know-nothing billionaire bully, Donald Trump — the worst nominee in modern times. How did Republicans get to be so stupid? Of course, “stupid" is subjective. But by most standards, Republicans fit the bill. In September, Public Policy Polling found that “66% of [Donald] Trump’s supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim... 61% think Obama was not born in the United States." The same poll found that 54 percent of all Republicans believed the President to be a Muslim. (In September Donald Trump suggested Obama is a Muslim.)Is it any wonder that people who think Trump is god and Obama a Muslim terrorist are so gullible when it comes to buying into the fossil fuel industry generated "science" on global warming and climate change? As Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does" and when it comes to our future there's nothing more idiotic than letting the fossil fuel sector PR department decide whether or not human induced catastrophic climate change is fact. It's the definition of conflict of interest, in the same way that tobacco lobbyists deciding whether or not it was safe to smoke was a complete conflict of interest, they wanted to keep creating "replacement smokers" for all the people they were killing. We don't have a replacement Earth.
So the fight against a ban on passive smoking had to be associated with other people and other issues. Philip Morris, APCO said, needed to create the impression of a "grassroots" movement - one that had been formed spontaneously by concerned citizens to fight "overregulation". It should portray the danger of tobacco smoke as just one "unfounded fear" among others, such as concerns about pesticides and cellphones. APCO proposed to set up "a national coalition intended to educate the media, public officials and the public about the dangers of 'junk science'. Coalition will address credibility of government's scientific studies, risk-assessment techniques and misuse of tax dollars ... Upon formation of Coalition, key leaders will begin media outreach, eg editorial board tours, opinion articles, and brief elected officials in selected states." APCO would found the coalition, write its mission statements, and "prepare and place opinion articles in key markets". For this it required $150,000 for its own fees and $75,000 for the coalition's costs. By May 1993, as another memo from APCO to Philip Morris shows, the fake citizens' group had a name: the Advancement of Sound Science Coalition. It was important, further letters stated, "to ensure that TASSC has a diverse group of contributors"; to "link the tobacco issue with other more 'politically correct' products"; and to associate scientific studies that cast smoking in a bad light with "broader questions about government research and regulations" - such as "global warming", "nuclear waste disposal" and "biotechnology". APCO would engage in the "intensive recruitment of high-profile representatives from business and industry, scientists, public officials, and other individuals interested in promoting the use of sound science".https://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0114.pdf
"Smoking a cigarette for the beginner is a symbolic act. . . . 'I am no longer my mother's child, I'm tough, I am an adventurer, I'm not square.' . . . As the force from the psychological symbolism subsides, the pharmacological effect takes over to sustain the habit." 1969 draft report "Why One Smokes" to the PM board of directors prepared by Osdene's department. Document Bates No. 1003287836 "Long after adolescent preoccupation with self-image has subsided, the cigarette will even preempt food in times of scarcity on the smoker's priority list." November 26, 1969 presentation to the PM Board of Directors, "Smoker Psychology Research." Bates No. 1000273741 "We are not sure that anything can be done to halt a major exodus if one gets going among the young. This group follows the crowd, and we don't pretend to know what gets them going for one thing or another . . . Certainly Philip Morris should continue efforts for Marlboro in the youth market, but perhaps as strongly as possible aimed at the white market rather than attempting to encompass blacks as well." July 1974 Roper Organization report for Philip Morris, "A Study of Smoking Habits Among Young Smokers." Bates No. 2024921279 "Marlboro's phenomenal growth rate in the past has been attributable in large part to our high market penetration among young smokers ... 15 to 19 years old . . . my own data, which includes younger teenagers, shows even higher Marlboro market penetration among 15-17-year-olds." May 21, 1975 report " The Decline in the Rate of Growth of Marlboro Red" from PM researcher Myron E. Johnston to Robert B. Seligman. Bates No. 2022849875-9880 "It is important to know as much as possible about teenage smoking patterns and attitudes. Today's teenager is tomorrow's potential regular customer and the overwhelming majority of smokers first begin to smoke while in their teens. . . . The smoking patterns of teen-agers are particularly important to Philip Morris. . . the share index is highest in the youngest group for all Marlboro and Virginia Slims packings. At least a part of the success of Marlboro Red during its most rapid growth period was because it became the brand of choice among teenagers who then stuck with it as they grew older. " March 31, 1981 market research report on young smokers titled "Young Smokers Prevalence, Trends, Implications, and Related Demographic Trends," written by Philip Morris researcher Myron E. Johnston and approved by Carolyn Levy and Harry Daniel. Bates No. 1000390803 "We will no longer be able to rely on a rapidly increasing pool of teenagers from which to replace smokers through lost normal attrition. . . Because of our high share of the market among the youngest smokers Philip Morris will suffer more than the other companies from the decline in the number of teenage smokers." March 31, 1981 market research report on young smokers titled "Young Smokers Prevalence, Trends, Implications, and Related Demographic Trends," written by Philip Morris researcher Myron E. Johnston and approved by Carolyn Levy and Harry Daniel. Bates No. 1000390803 "I have just received data on the graduating class of 1982 and the results are much more encouraging and corroborate the Roper data [a survey that tracked track smoking trends] . . . These data show that smoking prevalence among these 18-year-old high school seniors has increased from 1981 to 1982." February 19, 1983 Philip Morris interoffice memo, "Still More on Trends in Cigarette Smoking Prevalence." Bates No. 2022849870 “The ability to attract new smokers and develop them into a young adult franchise is key to brand development." 1999 Philip Morris report, "Five-Year Trends 1988-1992." Bates No. 2044895379-484So the same psychopaths that gave us "replacement smokers" to keep selling their products are also behind the movement that still gives us people who will go anywhere and do anything to deny the facts on catastrophic climate change. It's no different than genocide...
While Stardusty continues to bloviate about no one living under glaciers, people are moving to coastal areas that will be inundated as sea levels rise due to melting glaciers.
This type of migration will expose 2.75 billion people to coastal threats from global warming such as sea level rise and stronger hurricanes in addition to other natural disasters like tsunamis. - See more at: http://www.livescience.com/4167-flocking-coast-world-population-migrating-danger.html#sthash.fY6NmLPO.dpufWe haven't even gone into how disappearing glaciers will alter weather patterns around the globe. Dusty will probably dismiss these facts too, just as he did the vast number of people who depend upon glacier melt for fresh water supplies.
The biggest news issue to me this week is as DarronS put it, (Yohe’s fantasies) was that we are now seeing the movement of the Cradle of Civilization starting the move to India. Just a logical common sense move, which is getting no fanfare or highlighting. The resistance to logic on this can only be that people want the past to be what is perceived in their minds and not what is facts, sort of like religion. We are not talking about a small step here. We are talking about a major leap that will require the rethinking of religion, language and writing just to name a few. That is because the civilization timeline is also being push back by 2,500 years, plus another pre-civilization period going back another 1,000 years.
Here’s the punch line.
What do you think the first major response was? The civilization was doomed, do to Climate Change. Yea, you heard me right. A civilization that we really know very little about, yet we know they are not here today because of Climate Change. It only took a few days for the Climate Change story to get discredited. But the point is, people are connecting Climate Change to just about everything and throwing logic out the window.
Issues of logic not being used here are,
Glacier noun - a slowly moving mass or river of ice formed by the accumulation and compaction of snow on mountains or near the poles.
Glaciers are only the Ice Rivers, not the ice sheets. They do not include “ice sheets", “ice caps" or “ice fields" such as the Antarctic ice sheet. Glaciers are defined by their flow, rather than general bodies of ice.
Point being, the logic of science is being thrown out the window here guys.
DougC - Rapid climate change associated with increases of atmospheric CO2 is almost certainly the greatest killer on the planet.You falsely equate extinction of species with killing of life. Nearly all species that have ever lived are now extinct, yet Earth has remained teaming with life throughout its biological history. When one species goes extinct another moves in. Extinction does not equal sterility, it is simply an indication of evolutionary adaption to changing environment.
So while the psychopaths have no problem at all with killing us all offActually, global warming hold the welcome promise of opening up vast lands in Canada, Alaska, Siberia, Greenland, and Antarctica for human habitation. We are a global species and probably the most adaptable species ever. "Killing us all off" is hyperbolic nonsense.
Actually, global warming hold the welcome promise of opening up vast lands in Canada, Alaska, Siberia, Greenland, and Antarctica for human habitation. We are a global species and probably the most adaptable species ever. "Killing us all off" is hyperbolic nonsense.And just how many of the eight billion people alive right now will be able to live in these places?
The Permian Extinction is called the Great Dying because all complex life on the planet almost went extinct. So no, I'm not falsely equating extinction of species with killing of life. Almost all the life in the ocean at that time was killed off and most of the life on land. http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/permian-extinction/DougC - Rapid climate change associated with increases of atmospheric CO2 is almost certainly the greatest killer on the planet.You falsely equate extinction of species with killing of life. Nearly all species that have ever lived are now extinct, yet Earth has remained teaming with life throughout its biological history. When one species goes extinct another moves in. Extinction does not equal sterility, it is simply an indication of evolutionary adaption to changing environment.
I tried to hide my surprise. For months I'd been on the trail of the greatest natural disaster in Earth's history. About 250 million years ago, at the end of the Permian period, something killed some 90 percent of the planet's species. Less than 5 percent of the animal species in the seas survived. On land less than a third of the large animal species made it. Nearly all the trees died. Looy had told me that the Black Triangle was the best place today to see what the world would have looked like after the Permian extinction. This didn't look like apocalypse.The End Cretaceous Extinction event killed about 50% of species then present. http://paleobiology.si.edu/geotime/main/htmlversion/cretaceous4.html
Perhaps the most notable event of the Cretaceous was its conclusion. About 65 million years ago the second greatest mass extinction in Earth history occurred, resulting in the loss of the dinosaurs as well as nearly 50% of all the world’s species. Though not nearly as severe as the end-Permian mass extinction, the end-Cretaceous extinction is the most famous mass extinction in Earth history. Other great animals also went extinct at that time, including flying reptiles (pterosaurs) and the last mosasaurs and plesiosaurs. Many mollusks, including rudistid and inoceramid clams, ammonites, and belemnites, also became extinct, as did many species of microscopic marine plankton. Terrestrial plants also suffered a major extinction at this time; in some regions up to 60% of latest Cretaceous plant species were absent in the subsequent Paleocene. Terrestrial insects also suffered a high level of extinction, especially those that were highly specialized to feed on one or a few types of plants. In fact, the level of insect herbivory—both generalized and specialized—did not recover to latest Cretaceous levels until the Paleocene-Eocene boundary, approximately 9 million years later. In spite of the severity of extinctions at the end of the Cretaceous, many types of animals and plants survived and gave rise to new groups of organisms in the Paleocene.Both are associated with massive flood basalts that put billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Traps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deccan_Traps Something we're now replicating by burning millions of years of carbon slowly deposited by dying plant and animal life.
Actually, global warming hold the welcome promise of opening up vast lands in Canada, Alaska, Siberia, Greenland, and Antarctica for human habitation. We are a global species and probably the most adaptable species ever. "Killing us all off" is hyperbolic nonsense.I've already explained why this is a false claim, the temperature regions that determine which species live where are already moving so fast polewards that many species will go extinct if it continues at the current rate. Coral reef systems are a prime example with another recent massive die off. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160321-coral-bleaching-great-barrier-reef-climate-change/
Scientists have discovered an unprecedented die-off in the world's largest reef, the Great Barrier Reef, prompting the Australian government to issue its highest response level. Diver surveys based off Cape York, Australia's northeastern tip, found up to 50 percent mortality in the reef from coral bleaching. Death among the organisms that build the reef's structure is most likely linked to rising temperatures in the ocean, the government announced.About 25% of of ocean life spends at least part of their life cycle in coral reef ecosystems. Then we get to things like industrial farming, fishing, deforestation, urbanization and more that is already removing large numbers of species by eliminating their native habitats. Climate change is just the latest and greatest stressor. So in fact we are creating the next great extinction event that will likely include us at some point if business as usual doesn't change. And I've already posted on how business as usual is doing everything it can to resist that, something you're doing your part to aid. Why is your business, how is ours.
So once again grand denouncements, grand counter-claims presented. Supporting evidence, educational opportunities to learn about and understand the error of my ways. ZERO! As for that book that describes the transition from a barren mountain valley to a lush farming valley - In order to write that book you need an great deal of background. How much time have you spent getting to learn about the processes of evolution, and these extinctions that get bandied about? What do you know about the recovery process or time involved? Are you at all aware of what colonized Krakatoa and from where that life came? It didn't pop up from magic. Tell us dusty, please constructively explain a little about the evolution of the surface of Krakatoa in the past hundred whatever years since the new island broke through the ocean. Show us that you have a grasp of what you are alluding. Help me/us learn something new and surprising and fun. :smirk: __________________________________________ PS I've never pretended to be a professor. I have explained that I'm a workingman, a craftsman, who's spent my entire life learning about our Earth and her story - from the evolution that got us here, including human evolution, to societies development and declines, the march of humanity so to speak. I do know a bit about what I'm talking about. Even if I do come at it from a somewhat unique perspective, that's just because I actually did manage to navigate a fairly unique life (don't we all, . . . but He who dies with the most life experiences and stories wins. :coolsmile: ). Furthermore, I'm more than happy to provide sources of genuinely accomplished reliable scientists and other experts from whence I've learn what I believe I know. And most important to the point I'm trying get across here is that my interest is in helping each other learn, not in tearing down others - as you (and your kind) seem to be dedicated to. You, what do you have? Really what do you have :blank: Tons of attitude. Cute insults. Wild imagination. Unsupported claims right and left. No real interest in learning from others, it's all about your dogma dominating. Seems to me you are a chump. Show us some substance. How is it that Krakatoa manage to reemerge as it did. No trick question. Simple curiosity if you can constructively explain anything. cheers, CCSP - Do you really need a source to explain how the spread of life works? CC - Yes! Why not produce that book that describes the transition form a barren mountain valley to a lush farming valley.Wowwww. It is hard to anticipate this level of non-education. Ok, just look up Krakatoa for one small example of how life spreads into a devastation zone. Hike the Ice Age Trail and you can see what nature looks like after the ice melts. Incredible. You really do not understand that when ice melts life moves in?
oh and to appreciate what it takes to recover from massive destruction of an existing biosphere you have to first comprehend and appreciate the 101.LESSONS of our biosphere - I have started to record the lessons I've found most impressive. Here take a look. How about your reading list. What do you have to offer?those dastardly typosAppreciating Earth's Climate Who says understanding Earth’s Evolution is irrelevant? Sadly all too many. I often hear people, not just the religious with their paper thin understanding, but educated rational people who superficially accept the notion of evolution, but who have never spent anytime really absorbing what Earth's pageant of evolution has been all about, dismissing the need to learn anything about it. Its all led to a general apathy that I can't for the life of me comprehend. Especially considering what an amazingly beautiful, complex, mysterious and absolutely relevant story it is. This general apathy terrifies me, and compels me to share some of the building blocks that have shaped my own developing basic understanding. I have a head-start since I've been fascinated by this Creation I was born into since my earliest days. The wonder of it, and the things I've learned makes me want to share some of my experience and perspectives during what time remains for my own, oh so splendid, journey on this wonderful planet. Tragically, people who never pondered the reality, (that all we have today is the direct product of four and a half billion years of evolution, unfolding one magnificent day after another), lack the foundation to understand what we are doing to our planet and life support system these days. It explains why we have so many profoundly ignorant, self-deluded and disconnected politicians and 'masters of the universe' these days. When I toss out a concept such as, our "Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine," it's blank faces all around. Why? I'm fearing listeners have no fundamental conception for the intricate interconnections between our evolving Earth, oceans and land masses. Without that awareness, of course they'll never get it. After all, our atmosphere is the direct product of a fantastic evolutionary process that married geology and biology and took billions of years to unfold. Without understanding how it got here, there's no way one can comprehend what we have,... and what we are doing to "it",... that is, the only life, and economy, support system we have. ____________________________________________ January 6, 2016 {1} Our Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/01/earths-heat-moisture-engine.html January 9, 2016 {2} Co-evolution of Minerals and Life | Dr Robert Hazen http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/01/2-coevolution-of-minerals-and-life.html January 14, 2016 {3} Evolution of Carbon and our biosphere - Professor Hazen focuses on the element Carbon http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/01/3-evolution-carbon-biosphere-hazen.html January 23, 2016 {4} Evolution-Considering Deep Time and a Couple Big Breaks http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/01/4-evolution-deeptime-moon-geomagnetic.html February 6, 2016 {5a} The Most Beautiful Graph on Earth - A. Hessler http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/most-beautiful-graph-on-earth.html February 7, 2016 {5b} Earth's Earliest Climate - By Angela Hessler http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/earths-earliest-climate-by-hessler.html February 14, 2016 {6} Evolution of Earth's Atmosphere - easy version http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/6-evolution-earths-atmosphere-easy.html February 18, 2016 {7} Our Global Heat and Moisture Distribution Engine, visualized http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/7-global-heat-moisture-distribution.html February 19, 2016 {8} Atmospheric Insulation Explained - appreciating our climate engine http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/8-atmospheric-insulation-explained.html _____________________________________________________ December 17, 2105 Reflecting on our failure to appreciate the weather. http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2015/12/our-failure-to-appreciate-our-weather.html March 13, 2015 Memories, an appreciation of science http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2015/03/an-appreciation-of-science.html
cc - In order to write that book you need an great deal of background.Ok, you win, glaciers sterilize the land forever. Glaciers are the deadliest thing on Earth. They are worse than nuclear bombs. Once a glacier lays waste to a land it is forever barren and sterile and devoid of life. But, oh no, wait, oops, I'm sorry, here is a comparison of 1941 glacier to 2004 lake and forest. Gosh, I wonder why there is no life to be seen in the glacier picture but now that the deadly ice is gone there is a forest and a lovely lake harboring life. https://chriscolose.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/thompson7.jpg Oh, but wait, it can't be that life moves in when ice moves out because I do not have a book written about this glacier. Well, tell those trees they have no right to live until I cut them down and make a book out of them.